Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?
Discussion
Ashfordian said:
andyeds1234 said:
In the meantime, there are the conspiracy theorists who veer wildly from one horses
t theory to the next, pedalling their fearmongering for what? The greater good?
If the “authorities” over reacted, the fkwit conspiracy community practically frothed themselves into oblivion at the chance to create even more uncertainty, in an already volatile situation.
Below is just a small selection of fuctwittery examples from the authorities. t theory to the next, pedalling their fearmongering for what? The greater good?If the “authorities” over reacted, the f
kwit conspiracy community practically frothed themselves into oblivion at the chance to create even more uncertainty, in an already volatile situation.- They closed children's playgrounds but kept garden centres open.
- You could order coffee from a coffee shop counter but not order a beer from a pub bar.
- The WHO said Covid was not transmissible from human to human
The above nonsense and lies feeds the conspiracy community.
You would be taken seriously with your outrage if you called out both sides...
In any event your list of terrible things the awful government did is a shining example of petty criticism of something long gone and done during exceptional times never before encountered. If it was WW2 you would have had a field day with the BEF and Dunkirk and probably still be rambling on about it now to anyone who could be bothered to listen to you, ignoring the fact that the allies went on to win the war.
GeneralBanter said:
Ashfordian said:
andyeds1234 said:
In the meantime, there are the conspiracy theorists who veer wildly from one horsest theory to the next, pedalling their fearmongering for what? The greater good?
If the “authorities” over reacted, the fkwit conspiracy community practically frothed themselves into oblivion at the chance to create even more uncertainty, in an already volatile situation.
Below is just a small selection of fuctwittery examples from the authorities. t theory to the next, pedalling their fearmongering for what? The greater good?If the “authorities” over reacted, the f
kwit conspiracy community practically frothed themselves into oblivion at the chance to create even more uncertainty, in an already volatile situation.- They closed children's playgrounds but kept garden centres open.
- You could order coffee from a coffee shop counter but not order a beer from a pub bar.
- The WHO said Covid was not transmissible from human to human
The above nonsense and lies feeds the conspiracy community.
You would be taken seriously with your outrage if you called out both sides...
Self awareness and all that.
I have no knowledge of Ashfordian’s posting history, so that isn’t directed specifically at him.
Edited by andyeds1234 on Thursday 25th April 13:54
GeneralBanter said:
Ashfordian said:
andyeds1234 said:
In the meantime, there are the conspiracy theorists who veer wildly from one horsest theory to the next, pedalling their fearmongering for what? The greater good?
If the “authorities” over reacted, the fkwit conspiracy community practically frothed themselves into oblivion at the chance to create even more uncertainty, in an already volatile situation.
Below is just a small selection of fuctwittery examples from the authorities. t theory to the next, pedalling their fearmongering for what? The greater good?If the “authorities” over reacted, the f
kwit conspiracy community practically frothed themselves into oblivion at the chance to create even more uncertainty, in an already volatile situation.- They closed children's playgrounds but kept garden centres open.
- You could order coffee from a coffee shop counter but not order a beer from a pub bar.
- The WHO said Covid was not transmissible from human to human
The above nonsense and lies feeds the conspiracy community.
You would be taken seriously with your outrage if you called out both sides...
In any event your list of terrible things the awful government did is a shining example of petty criticism of something long gone and done during exceptional times never before encountered. If it was WW2 you would have had a field day with the BEF and Dunkirk and probably still be rambling on about it now to anyone who could be bothered to listen to you, ignoring the fact that the allies went on to win the war.
GeneralBanter said:
Ashfordian said:
andyeds1234 said:
In the meantime, there are the conspiracy theorists who veer wildly from one horsest theory to the next, pedalling their fearmongering for what? The greater good?
If the “authorities” over reacted, the fkwit conspiracy community practically frothed themselves into oblivion at the chance to create even more uncertainty, in an already volatile situation.
Below is just a small selection of fuctwittery examples from the authorities. t theory to the next, pedalling their fearmongering for what? The greater good?If the “authorities” over reacted, the f
kwit conspiracy community practically frothed themselves into oblivion at the chance to create even more uncertainty, in an already volatile situation.- They closed children's playgrounds but kept garden centres open.
- You could order coffee from a coffee shop counter but not order a beer from a pub bar.
- The WHO said Covid was not transmissible from human to human
The above nonsense and lies feeds the conspiracy community.
You would be taken seriously with your outrage if you called out both sides...
In any event your list of terrible things the awful government did is a shining example of petty criticism of something long gone and done during exceptional times never before encountered. If it was WW2 you would have had a field day with the BEF and Dunkirk and probably still be rambling on about it now to anyone who could be bothered to listen to you, ignoring the fact that the allies went on to win the war.
The one thing that you and many others on this thread have demonstrated, is that we know that as a German citizen in 1930's Germany you would have supported the government and their actions. And that is never a good look no matter how much word salad you try to use to say you would not have gone along with said Government actions! Otherwise you would be a CT'er...
Ashfordian said:
GeneralBanter said:
Ashfordian said:
andyeds1234 said:
In the meantime, there are the conspiracy theorists who veer wildly from one horsest theory to the next, pedalling their fearmongering for what? The greater good?
If the “authorities” over reacted, the fkwit conspiracy community practically frothed themselves into oblivion at the chance to create even more uncertainty, in an already volatile situation.
Below is just a small selection of fuctwittery examples from the authorities. t theory to the next, pedalling their fearmongering for what? The greater good?If the “authorities” over reacted, the f
kwit conspiracy community practically frothed themselves into oblivion at the chance to create even more uncertainty, in an already volatile situation.- They closed children's playgrounds but kept garden centres open.
- You could order coffee from a coffee shop counter but not order a beer from a pub bar.
- The WHO said Covid was not transmissible from human to human
The above nonsense and lies feeds the conspiracy community.
You would be taken seriously with your outrage if you called out both sides...
In any event your list of terrible things the awful government did is a shining example of petty criticism of something long gone and done during exceptional times never before encountered. If it was WW2 you would have had a field day with the BEF and Dunkirk and probably still be rambling on about it now to anyone who could be bothered to listen to you, ignoring the fact that the allies went on to win the war.
The one thing that you and many others on this thread have demonstrated, is that we know that as a German citizen in 1930's Germany you would have supported the government and their actions. And that is never a good look no matter how much word salad you try to use to say you would not have gone along with said Government actions! Otherwise you would be a CT'er...
Goon.
Ashfordian said:
I am part of the conspiracy community because I advocated a Covid response similar to Sweden. Based on your close-minded view that makes the whole of Sweden and their prominent experts Anders Tegnell & Johan Giesecke also part of said community. Or simply, this is the public health response the UK would have had without politicians thinking about the ballot box.
The one thing that you and many others on this thread have demonstrated, is that we know that as a German citizen in 1930's Germany you would have supported the government and their actions. And that is never a good look no matter how much word salad you try to use to say you would not have gone along with said Government actions! Otherwise you would be a CT'er...
As I'm sure you're aware you'll get nothing but a hard agree from me on the Sweden part - they stick to tried and tested methods of handling a pandemic and by all accounts they've been vindicated, with lower excess deaths and less damage to education etc.The one thing that you and many others on this thread have demonstrated, is that we know that as a German citizen in 1930's Germany you would have supported the government and their actions. And that is never a good look no matter how much word salad you try to use to say you would not have gone along with said Government actions! Otherwise you would be a CT'er...
No need for the Nazi comparisons though as they aren't really relevant. East Germany with the Stasi then possibly, not so much the Nazis though.
Ashfordian said:
I am part of the conspiracy community because I advocated a Covid response similar to Sweden. Based on your close-minded view that makes the whole of Sweden and their prominent experts Anders Tegnell & Johan Giesecke also part of said community. Or simply, this is the public health response the UK would have had without politicians thinking about the ballot box.
The one thing that you and many others on this thread have demonstrated, is that we know that as a German citizen in 1930's Germany you would have supported the government and their actions. And that is never a good look no matter how much word salad you try to use to say you would not have gone along with said Government actions! Otherwise you would be a CT'er...
I think its important to understand historical facts around the rise of Hitler and Germany in those times, the fractures in the public thinking, why Hitler came to power. Its a lot more complex than the very simple terms you have used above. Its a poor comparison, but one that gets trotted out every now and again.The one thing that you and many others on this thread have demonstrated, is that we know that as a German citizen in 1930's Germany you would have supported the government and their actions. And that is never a good look no matter how much word salad you try to use to say you would not have gone along with said Government actions! Otherwise you would be a CT'er...
Someone that doesn't agree with a CT point of view doesn't automatically drop into one single other pool of people. This is a construct of a CT 'leading voice' if you might call it that, that makes a following CT feel like some sort of defender of the truth or the like - its us vs them. Any Man Utd fan from the 90s and 00s can tell you all about siege mentality and the motivating effect it has...
The reality is quite different. The people that do not agree with you as a CT are multiple groups, multiple levels, just because you dont agree with the government on something doesn't mean everyone else just sheepishly nods and does. This is a complete fallacy.
coldel said:
I think its important to understand historical facts around the rise of Hitler and Germany in those times, the fractures in the public thinking, why Hitler came to power. Its a lot more complex than the very simple terms you have used above. Its a poor comparison, but one that gets trotted out every now and again.
I am sure the "important to understand historical facts" or similar word salad commentary will be applied to the Covid response in the future by the many who were hoodwinked!It doesn't excuse that in both cases many people allowed their government to control them with fear, while (deliberately) ignoring the longer term consequences. They still continue with the 'head in the sand' approach to dismiss any said consequences or deny how they were controlled. There are enough similarities that means the comparison is a valid one!
Ashfordian said:
I am sure the "important to understand historical facts" or similar word salad commentary will be applied to the Covid response in the future by the many who were hoodwinked!
It doesn't excuse that in both cases many people allowed their government to control them with fear, while (deliberately) ignoring the longer term consequences. They still continue with the 'head in the sand' approach to dismiss any said consequences or deny how they were controlled. There are enough similarities that means the comparison is a valid one!
Enough similarities when a (compulsary) unhealthy dose of CTist melodrama is added.It doesn't excuse that in both cases many people allowed their government to control them with fear, while (deliberately) ignoring the longer term consequences. They still continue with the 'head in the sand' approach to dismiss any said consequences or deny how they were controlled. There are enough similarities that means the comparison is a valid one!
Ashfordian said:
I am sure the "important to understand historical facts" or similar word salad commentary will be applied to the Covid response in the future by the many who were hoodwinked!
It doesn't excuse that in both cases many people allowed their government to control them with fear, while (deliberately) ignoring the longer term consequences. They still continue with the 'head in the sand' approach to dismiss any said consequences or deny how they were controlled. There are enough similarities that means the comparison is a valid one!
Although you think this is a defence of your stance, it just validates exactly what I wrote. I actually agree with some of the 'facts' that people have posted, because they undeniably happened. As mentioned, then taking a giant leap into conspiracy creations of the various ilk we hear is the issue.It doesn't excuse that in both cases many people allowed their government to control them with fear, while (deliberately) ignoring the longer term consequences. They still continue with the 'head in the sand' approach to dismiss any said consequences or deny how they were controlled. There are enough similarities that means the comparison is a valid one!
'They' are out to get us
'They' lied to us all to take away our freedoms
'They' controlled us
'They' created it
'They' used it as an experiment
The broad brush statements like being allowed to be controlled, deliberately ignoring longer term consequences, are all a function of the programming of CT leading voices you are just playing back that validate your anxiety and fears of authority. This apparent huge group of people in this binary defined world doesnt exist in the simple form described, even conspiracies aside the population does not exist this way. There are dozens of nuances, differences, behaviours.
Somewhat ironically, the authority that controls the extreme views of COVID are 'hoodwinking' many. The 'truth' is a grey sweet spot somewhere in the middle, its complex to find and define, but its there and takes elements from all over the place. This very simple binary view of the population you have, the other group you defined, which is in reality much more diverse and fractured, is probably where that proper view of it all sits.
This isn't a unique set of circumstances. This is a behaviour set that applies itself to the predominant issues of the day. In ten years time it will be something else. COVID is the issue of the day, all these long term fears will in the long term ironically be forgotten and something else will rise and provide the endless internet evidence locker room to start over.
GeneralBanter said:
Yes you certainly are.
Why did you delete your old account and then come back under this new account?You held some pretty abhorrent Covid views under your past account (clearly making up 'facts'), and you made yourself look very silly. You were not to be trusted back then and that has only been confirmed over the three years since. You clearly have many skeletons that you are trying to hide
coldel said:
Although you think this is a defence of your stance, it just validates exactly what I wrote. I actually agree with some of the 'facts' that people have posted, because they undeniably happened. As mentioned, then taking a giant leap into conspiracy creations of the various ilk we hear is the issue.
'They' are out to get us
'They' lied to us all to take away our freedoms
'They' controlled us
'They' created it
'They' used it as an experiment
The broad brush statements like being allowed to be controlled, deliberately ignoring longer term consequences, are all a function of the programming of CT leading voices you are just playing back that validate your anxiety and fears of authority. This apparent huge group of people in this binary defined world doesnt exist in the simple form described, even conspiracies aside the population does not exist this way. There are dozens of nuances, differences, behaviours.
Somewhat ironically, the authority that controls the extreme views of COVID are 'hoodwinking' many. The 'truth' is a grey sweet spot somewhere in the middle, its complex to find and define, but its there and takes elements from all over the place. This very simple binary view of the population you have, the other group you defined, which is in reality much more diverse and fractured, is probably where that proper view of it all sits.
This isn't a unique set of circumstances. This is a behaviour set that applies itself to the predominant issues of the day. In ten years time it will be something else. COVID is the issue of the day, all these long term fears will in the long term ironically be forgotten and something else will rise and provide the endless internet evidence locker room to start over.
To you anyone who questions the UK's Covid response is a CT'er. Yet, you write all the contradictory stuff above about nuances, grey, differences, etc'They' are out to get us
'They' lied to us all to take away our freedoms
'They' controlled us
'They' created it
'They' used it as an experiment
The broad brush statements like being allowed to be controlled, deliberately ignoring longer term consequences, are all a function of the programming of CT leading voices you are just playing back that validate your anxiety and fears of authority. This apparent huge group of people in this binary defined world doesnt exist in the simple form described, even conspiracies aside the population does not exist this way. There are dozens of nuances, differences, behaviours.
Somewhat ironically, the authority that controls the extreme views of COVID are 'hoodwinking' many. The 'truth' is a grey sweet spot somewhere in the middle, its complex to find and define, but its there and takes elements from all over the place. This very simple binary view of the population you have, the other group you defined, which is in reality much more diverse and fractured, is probably where that proper view of it all sits.
This isn't a unique set of circumstances. This is a behaviour set that applies itself to the predominant issues of the day. In ten years time it will be something else. COVID is the issue of the day, all these long term fears will in the long term ironically be forgotten and something else will rise and provide the endless internet evidence locker room to start over.
You and others try to blur the lines and imply questioning is the same as the outright loonies, because you are uncomfortable with your own actions that you took and want to deflect away from any questioning of them.
Ashfordian said:
To you anyone who questions the UK's Covid response is a CT'er. Yet, you write all the contradictory stuff above about nuances, grey, differences, etc
You and others try to blur the lines and imply questioning is the same as the outright loonies, because you are uncomfortable with your own actions that you took and want to deflect away from any questioning of them.
Not really, again you will have read this in other threads I am sure, hoodwinked, once more. You and others try to blur the lines and imply questioning is the same as the outright loonies, because you are uncomfortable with your own actions that you took and want to deflect away from any questioning of them.
If you have been lurking here you will have seen me talk about the world not being binary time and again, yes I will label a CT someone that goes into wild speculation about nefarious government controls globally etc. based on often emotive reasoning and with anecdotal evidence, but as I have just done so, and times before, said I agreed with statements. However I have been at pains to explain how data interpretation and context is something a lot of people lack.
Simply posting a link to a 'lie' a government minister made, is in no way shape or form evidence of a big conspiracy that they are out to nefariously control us etc. In much the same way posting a 'truth' that a government official posts isn't evidence they are all angels and care about us all lovingly...to sit in one camp or the other is really not a sensible place to be.
I agree questions are good. But when the asker only wants to hear a specific answer that backs up a pre-disposition, then you have to consider the mindset of the person asking it, do they want to learn, or do they want their beliefs to be reinforced.
paulguitar said:
Mistrust of authority seems to be a big part of it.
I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
Really sorry to hear this chap. I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
bodhi said:
paulguitar said:
Mistrust of authority seems to be a big part of it.
I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
Really sorry to hear this chap. I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
paulguitar said:
bodhi said:
paulguitar said:
Mistrust of authority seems to be a big part of it.
I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
Really sorry to hear this chap. I'm pretty shaken up today. One of my cousins, with whom I was very close as a kid, has taken his own life. He turned into a huge conspiracy theorist during COVID and became very withdrawn. None of us saw this coming. I strongly suspect the conspiracy stuff had a lot to do with it.
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