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Rusty Old-Banger said:
14 year old daughter. Hockey goalkeeper, and she could take on any bear, or man, and leave nothing but pulp. And with her hormones at the moment, the bear/man wouldn't even have to look at her funny.
Haven't read the whole thread, but this thought process is dangerous for your daughter. i don't know the stats, but i suspect 60% of adult men could utterly overpower every 14yr old girls that's ever lived. I can understand why women are scared- to be honest since the age of 12 i've always kept a very close eye on other blokes when out and about and i'm confident in being able to defend myself. ambuletz said:
the bear is acting on instinct, eating or killing you to survive. A man however (if they have no morals) will do things to you for their own pleasure, and probably keep you alive in the process. If you manage to run from a bear that bear won't think 'hmm let me try and find them'.
it comes down to the male gaze.
Have you ever talked to a man?it comes down to the male gaze.
otolith said:
I think, on the whole, it would be better if everybody got together and agreed that the social convention of men chatting up women has become a massive pain in the arse and a social minefield, and that going forwards women should do all of the approaching to see if blokes are interested in them.
.........and then the human race dies out in a few generations. 
Not got the exact stats to hand but I think at least two thirds of long term relationships still start offline in the old fashioned way and women find confidence attractive and so likely want a man with the courage to go and start a conversation with them.
The problem also of leaving it all to the women is that women are actually far more selective than men, so if the responsibility for making the initial approach were left solely up to them, then only the top percentage of men would likely receive an approach.
So I think probably best that we keep muddling along and agree that harassment is wrong but that a polite and friendly approach is not harassment.
PugwasHDJ80 said:
Haven't read the whole thread, but this thought process is dangerous for your daughter. i don't know the stats, but i suspect 60% of adult men could utterly overpower every 14yr old girls that's ever lived. I can understand why women are scared- to be honest since the age of 12 i've always kept a very close eye on other blokes when out and about and i'm confident in being able to defend myself.
Do you not realise how weird that sounds?If you're walking down the the frozen food aisle in Waitrose expecting Clive from Surbiton to suddenly jump you like Cato in the Pink Panther then yes, it's hardly surprising you'd understand women being scared, but statistically the chances of you suffering a violent attack are still very slim, and have been falling consistently since they peaked 30 years ago.
It feels like the fear of violence far, far outweighs the reality of it.
JagLover said:
otolith said:
I think, on the whole, it would be better if everybody got together and agreed that the social convention of men chatting up women has become a massive pain in the arse and a social minefield, and that going forwards women should do all of the approaching to see if blokes are interested in them.
.........and then the human race dies out in a few generations. Not got the exact stats to hand but I think at least two thirds of long term relationships still start offline in the old fashioned way and women find confidence attractive and so likely want a man with the courage to go and start a conversation with them.
The problem also of leaving it all to the women is that women are actually far more selective than men, so if the responsibility for making the initial approach were left solely up to them, then only the top percentage of men would likely receive an approach.
So I think probably best that we keep muddling along and agree that harassment is wrong but that a polite and friendly approach is not harassment.
It's a tongue in cheek suggestion, though, because it simply wouldn't happen.
Cabinet Enforcer said:
Dagnir said:
I think I was thinking of murder perhaps.
From wiki and other places:
According to the data given by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, worldwide, 79% of homicide victims are men, and in 193 of the 202 listed countries or regions, men were more likely to be killed than women.
Maybe the other types level it up...although it does just feel like men get involved in fights more.
Guess that's the issue with feelings!
Those stats show that violence not including murder is roughly evenly distributed between the sexes, however if you look further through it, then almost 50% of that violent crime is "domestic violence" and reported domestic violence is overwhelmingly carried out by men on women.From wiki and other places:
According to the data given by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, worldwide, 79% of homicide victims are men, and in 193 of the 202 listed countries or regions, men were more likely to be killed than women.
Maybe the other types level it up...although it does just feel like men get involved in fights more.
Guess that's the issue with feelings!
If you exclude the domestic violence (i.e only look at violence by "strangers") then the only way the numbers can add up is if that other violence is perpetrated against men.
Thus the conclusion is that, when walking down the street among people you don't know, men are at significantly higher risk of violence.
otolith said:
JagLover said:
otolith said:
I think, on the whole, it would be better if everybody got together and agreed that the social convention of men chatting up women has become a massive pain in the arse and a social minefield, and that going forwards women should do all of the approaching to see if blokes are interested in them.
.........and then the human race dies out in a few generations. Not got the exact stats to hand but I think at least two thirds of long term relationships still start offline in the old fashioned way and women find confidence attractive and so likely want a man with the courage to go and start a conversation with them.
The problem also of leaving it all to the women is that women are actually far more selective than men, so if the responsibility for making the initial approach were left solely up to them, then only the top percentage of men would likely receive an approach.
So I think probably best that we keep muddling along and agree that harassment is wrong but that a polite and friendly approach is not harassment.
It's a tongue in cheek suggestion, though, because it simply wouldn't happen.
White-Noise said:
Or the top tier men would have multiple "partners". They the strongest genes get passed on and that's how it often works in nature and the race gets better. Humans don't work like that though and I'm glad else I'd probably have gone without
Not sure that strategy works out so well for women who want to find a partner and make a family.otolith said:
White-Noise said:
Or the top tier men would have multiple "partners". They the strongest genes get passed on and that's how it often works in nature and the race gets better. Humans don't work like that though and I'm glad else I'd probably have gone without
Not sure that strategy works out so well for women who want to find a partner and make a family.Kermit power said:
PugwasHDJ80 said:
Haven't read the whole thread, but this thought process is dangerous for your daughter. i don't know the stats, but i suspect 60% of adult men could utterly overpower every 14yr old girls that's ever lived. I can understand why women are scared- to be honest since the age of 12 i've always kept a very close eye on other blokes when out and about and i'm confident in being able to defend myself.
Do you not realise how weird that sounds?If you're walking down the the frozen food aisle in Waitrose expecting Clive from Surbiton to suddenly jump you like Cato in the Pink Panther then yes, it's hardly surprising you'd understand women being scared, but statistically the chances of you suffering a violent attack are still very slim, and have been falling consistently since they peaked 30 years ago.
It feels like the fear of violence far, far outweighs the reality of it.
PugwasHDJ80 said:
Kermit power said:
PugwasHDJ80 said:
Haven't read the whole thread, but this thought process is dangerous for your daughter. i don't know the stats, but i suspect 60% of adult men could utterly overpower every 14yr old girls that's ever lived. I can understand why women are scared- to be honest since the age of 12 i've always kept a very close eye on other blokes when out and about and i'm confident in being able to defend myself.
Do you not realise how weird that sounds?If you're walking down the the frozen food aisle in Waitrose expecting Clive from Surbiton to suddenly jump you like Cato in the Pink Panther then yes, it's hardly surprising you'd understand women being scared, but statistically the chances of you suffering a violent attack are still very slim, and have been falling consistently since they peaked 30 years ago.
It feels like the fear of violence far, far outweighs the reality of it.
Still only once though.
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