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Land Rover Defenders (the old ones).
Up until about 1986 they were okay, because they actually were the best tool for the job and relatively cheap and a dealer in every town etc etc etc. but after that Japanese pick ups became the norm for work and they just became a relic.
Defenders are cramped, noisy, thirsty, slow and generally hateful.
VW Aircooled stuff.
As a classic curiosity yes, but the love for these things on a wider scale is insane, again; cramped, noisy, thirsty, slow and generally hateful.
The fact that people pay proper car money for these is beyond me.
VAG stuff from 2000 onwards. VW Audi group decided somewhere along the line that their customers couldn't really drive and certainly never pushed past 7/10ths. So to make their cars feel sporty the set the steering and geometry up to be darty around the centre of the rack and made it torquey at lower revs. Great. They do feel good at first. But once you crack on they become less rewarding the harder you push them.
That's before you have to work on them. Horrible to do any maintenance on compared to just about anything else.
Everything from a humble Polo to an RS6. Just not for me I'm afraid.
Up until about 1986 they were okay, because they actually were the best tool for the job and relatively cheap and a dealer in every town etc etc etc. but after that Japanese pick ups became the norm for work and they just became a relic.
Defenders are cramped, noisy, thirsty, slow and generally hateful.
VW Aircooled stuff.
As a classic curiosity yes, but the love for these things on a wider scale is insane, again; cramped, noisy, thirsty, slow and generally hateful.
The fact that people pay proper car money for these is beyond me.
VAG stuff from 2000 onwards. VW Audi group decided somewhere along the line that their customers couldn't really drive and certainly never pushed past 7/10ths. So to make their cars feel sporty the set the steering and geometry up to be darty around the centre of the rack and made it torquey at lower revs. Great. They do feel good at first. But once you crack on they become less rewarding the harder you push them.
That's before you have to work on them. Horrible to do any maintenance on compared to just about anything else.
Everything from a humble Polo to an RS6. Just not for me I'm afraid.
Muzzer79 said:
People who sign off posts on PH. We know who you are, your username is next to your post. We don't need you to remind us.
That gets me, what an odd thing to do.There was one poster who did it but so many people started signing off the same as him he stopped.
Cheers,
The Moose.
nismocat said:
Muzzer79 said:
People who sign off posts on PH. We know who you are, your username is next to your post. We don't need you to remind us.
That gets me, what an odd thing to do.There was one poster who did it but so many people started signing off the same as him he stopped.
Cheers,
The Moose.
Regards,
Jet Noise.
shirt said:
nismocat said:
Muzzer79 said:
People who sign off posts on PH. We know who you are, your username is next to your post. We don't need you to remind us.
That gets me, what an odd thing to do.There was one poster who did it but so many people started signing off the same as him he stopped.
Cheers,
The Moose.
Regards,
Jet Noise.
Cheers
TX
Stick Legs said:
Land Rover Defenders (the old ones).
Up until about 1986 they were okay, because they actually were the best tool for the job and relatively cheap and a dealer in every town etc etc etc. but after that Japanese pick ups became the norm for work and they just became a relic.
Defenders are cramped, noisy, thirsty, slow and generally hateful.
VW Aircooled stuff.
As a classic curiosity yes, but the love for these things on a wider scale is insane, again; cramped, noisy, thirsty, slow and generally hateful.
The fact that people pay proper car money for these is beyond me.
VAG stuff from 2000 onwards. VW Audi group decided somewhere along the line that their customers couldn't really drive and certainly never pushed past 7/10ths. So to make their cars feel sporty the set the steering and geometry up to be darty around the centre of the rack and made it torquey at lower revs. Great. They do feel good at first. But once you crack on they become less rewarding the harder you push them.
That's before you have to work on them. Horrible to do any maintenance on compared to just about anything else.
Everything from a humble Polo to an RS6. Just not for me I'm afraid.
Oh dear. I have had an aircooled 1303 Beetle, a 2006 New Beetle and currently have a 1987 Land Rover 90 (technically pre-Defender) Up until about 1986 they were okay, because they actually were the best tool for the job and relatively cheap and a dealer in every town etc etc etc. but after that Japanese pick ups became the norm for work and they just became a relic.
Defenders are cramped, noisy, thirsty, slow and generally hateful.
VW Aircooled stuff.
As a classic curiosity yes, but the love for these things on a wider scale is insane, again; cramped, noisy, thirsty, slow and generally hateful.
The fact that people pay proper car money for these is beyond me.
VAG stuff from 2000 onwards. VW Audi group decided somewhere along the line that their customers couldn't really drive and certainly never pushed past 7/10ths. So to make their cars feel sporty the set the steering and geometry up to be darty around the centre of the rack and made it torquey at lower revs. Great. They do feel good at first. But once you crack on they become less rewarding the harder you push them.
That's before you have to work on them. Horrible to do any maintenance on compared to just about anything else.
Everything from a humble Polo to an RS6. Just not for me I'm afraid.
shirt said:
nismocat said:
Muzzer79 said:
People who sign off posts on PH. We know who you are, your username is next to your post. We don't need you to remind us.
That gets me, what an odd thing to do.There was one poster who did it but so many people started signing off the same as him he stopped.
Cheers,
The Moose.
Regards,
Jet Noise.
Gave that up some time ago
Stick Legs said:
Land Rover Defenders (the old ones).
Up until about 1986 they were okay, because they actually were the best tool for the job and relatively cheap and a dealer in every town etc etc etc. but after that Japanese pick ups became the norm for work and they just became a relic.
Defenders are cramped, noisy, thirsty, slow and generally hateful.
VW Aircooled stuff.
As a classic curiosity yes, but the love for these things on a wider scale is insane, again; cramped, noisy, thirsty, slow and generally hateful.
The fact that people pay proper car money for these is beyond me.
VAG stuff from 2000 onwards. VW Audi group decided somewhere along the line that their customers couldn't really drive and certainly never pushed past 7/10ths. So to make their cars feel sporty the set the steering and geometry up to be darty around the centre of the rack and made it torquey at lower revs. Great. They do feel good at first. But once you crack on they become less rewarding the harder you push them.
That's before you have to work on them. Horrible to do any maintenance on compared to just about anything else.
Everything from a humble Polo to an RS6. Just not for me I'm afraid.
No no no no no!!!Up until about 1986 they were okay, because they actually were the best tool for the job and relatively cheap and a dealer in every town etc etc etc. but after that Japanese pick ups became the norm for work and they just became a relic.
Defenders are cramped, noisy, thirsty, slow and generally hateful.
VW Aircooled stuff.
As a classic curiosity yes, but the love for these things on a wider scale is insane, again; cramped, noisy, thirsty, slow and generally hateful.
The fact that people pay proper car money for these is beyond me.
VAG stuff from 2000 onwards. VW Audi group decided somewhere along the line that their customers couldn't really drive and certainly never pushed past 7/10ths. So to make their cars feel sporty the set the steering and geometry up to be darty around the centre of the rack and made it torquey at lower revs. Great. They do feel good at first. But once you crack on they become less rewarding the harder you push them.
That's before you have to work on them. Horrible to do any maintenance on compared to just about anything else.
Everything from a humble Polo to an RS6. Just not for me I'm afraid.
I'm currently rebuilding my Defender, in fairness it is 1986, so is built from proper metal rather than cheese. Yes it has it's flaws but a nearly 40 year old car that can drive up the motorway, do the school run, wade through water over its bonnet, or drive up a bouldered slope that's tough to walk up, it is quite an engineering achievement.
Ditto air cooled VWs, as it happens we have just advertised out T2 bay window for the simple reason that my lad is now too tall to fit in the child bunk across the front seats, but when you look at the absolute simplicity of the design, and all the bits that you don't need that have been omiited, it's very clever. Bear in mind the Beetle is a 1930s design (nearly 90 years old!) and the camper a 1950 design, it's remarkable that people are still using them as daily drivers...we'd still go on holiday in a 56 year old camper and we never got let down mechanically once. Compare that to the dross that was the "daily driver" of the British car industry at the time...you very, very rarely see a 56 year old British camper van still being used for it's original purpose.
However, what I do bloody well dislike is this stupid trend of unsuitable serving materials for food in pubs.
Big juicy steak? Let's stick that on a piece of wood with no rim/moat so blood ends up all over the table, and you.
Cheese panini? We'll put a napkin between it and the plate so that by the time it arrives the napkin is stuck to the bottom of it in a congealed mess.
Pork belly? We'll serve that on a roofing slate so the act of cutting it means the knife is scratching across the slate like nails down a chalk board.
Roast chicken? Served in a bowl a foot wide, with a base 3" wide, so it's impossible to exert any kind of cutting force to it without tipping the bowl over.
What is so wrong with a knife/fork/waterproof plate with a rim FFS?
Hard-Drive said:
However, what I do bloody well dislike is this stupid trend of unsuitable serving materials for food in pubs.
Big juicy steak? Let's stick that on a piece of wood with no rim/moat so blood ends up all over the table, and you.
Cheese panini? We'll put a napkin between it and the plate so that by the time it arrives the napkin is stuck to the bottom of it in a congealed mess.
Pork belly? We'll serve that on a roofing slate so the act of cutting it means the knife is scratching across the slate like nails down a chalk board.
Roast chicken? Served in a bowl a foot wide, with a base 3" wide, so it's impossible to exert any kind of cutting force to it without tipping the bowl over.
What is so wrong with a knife/fork/waterproof plate with a rim FFS?
John Finnemore had this covered.Big juicy steak? Let's stick that on a piece of wood with no rim/moat so blood ends up all over the table, and you.
Cheese panini? We'll put a napkin between it and the plate so that by the time it arrives the napkin is stuck to the bottom of it in a congealed mess.
Pork belly? We'll serve that on a roofing slate so the act of cutting it means the knife is scratching across the slate like nails down a chalk board.
Roast chicken? Served in a bowl a foot wide, with a base 3" wide, so it's impossible to exert any kind of cutting force to it without tipping the bowl over.
What is so wrong with a knife/fork/waterproof plate with a rim FFS?
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Hard-Drive said:
I'm currently rebuilding my Defender, in fairness it is 1986, so is built from proper metal rather than cheese. Yes it has it's flaws but a nearly 40 year old car that can drive up the motorway, do the school run, wade through water over its bonnet, or drive up a bouldered slope that's tough to walk up, it is quite an engineering achievement.
I don’t disagree.However the money being asked is bonkers.
Discoverys & Range Rovers do all these things but are comfortable and better at being a car and are worth less.
Stick Legs said:
Hard-Drive said:
I'm currently rebuilding my Defender, in fairness it is 1986, so is built from proper metal rather than cheese. Yes it has it's flaws but a nearly 40 year old car that can drive up the motorway, do the school run, wade through water over its bonnet, or drive up a bouldered slope that's tough to walk up, it is quite an engineering achievement.
I don’t disagree.However the money being asked is bonkers.
Discoverys & Range Rovers do all these things but are comfortable and better at being a car and are worth less.
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