Miscreants on a Train
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MYOB said:
You can text 999. You need to register your number first by sending a text to 999 with “register“ in the text.
Mind you, I don’t believe this scenario would have warranted a 999 call/text if you didn’t see a weapon.
Absolutely it would have warranted a 999 call...why on earth wouldn't it? Mind you, I don’t believe this scenario would have warranted a 999 call/text if you didn’t see a weapon.
Couple years ago wife & I were on the train from London to Brighton.
Passenger gets on at East Croydon. Body language suggests trouble. Sits down behind us. Seems quiet for a while, until a homeless man comes down the carriage asking for money. It enrages this passenger and they exchange a few words until he stands up and punches him about 10 times in rapid succession. The homeless man doesn't seem particularly fazed or injured and carries on into the next carriage.
The passenger can now be heard on the phone talking about the incident to a friend, saying how he is gonna "shank him up" etc. We then hear him get something out of his bag and place it on the table. It's without a doubt metallic. My wife texts BTP and they try calling her back. She cancels the call and they follow up with a text asking her to talk via text instead.
We get off at Gatwick just to get off that train. She gets an update from BTP later on that night saying he has been arrested at Brighton for assault and possession of a knife.
Passenger gets on at East Croydon. Body language suggests trouble. Sits down behind us. Seems quiet for a while, until a homeless man comes down the carriage asking for money. It enrages this passenger and they exchange a few words until he stands up and punches him about 10 times in rapid succession. The homeless man doesn't seem particularly fazed or injured and carries on into the next carriage.
The passenger can now be heard on the phone talking about the incident to a friend, saying how he is gonna "shank him up" etc. We then hear him get something out of his bag and place it on the table. It's without a doubt metallic. My wife texts BTP and they try calling her back. She cancels the call and they follow up with a text asking her to talk via text instead.
We get off at Gatwick just to get off that train. She gets an update from BTP later on that night saying he has been arrested at Brighton for assault and possession of a knife.
MYOB said:
What was the emergency?
Someone has indicated they have a weapon...https://www.met.police.uk/contact/af/contact-us-be...
https://www.btp.police.uk/police-forces/british-tr...
999 all day long. I'd have no issues about someone phoning 999 on it. I'd most likely make on a grade one as well.
MYOB said:
LosingGrip said:
MYOB said:
You can text 999. You need to register your number first by sending a text to 999 with “register“ in the text.
Mind you, I don’t believe this scenario would have warranted a 999 call/text if you didn’t see a weapon.
Absolutely it would have warranted a 999 call...why on earth wouldn't it? Mind you, I don’t believe this scenario would have warranted a 999 call/text if you didn’t see a weapon.
If YOU were in a scenario like this and believed someone had a gun on them, would you consider it an emergency?
From Google, this is what the police class as appropriate for 999 - danger to life. use, or immediate threat of use, of violence. Serious injury to a person and/or. serious damage to property.
Immediate threat of use of violence would do it for me.
visitinglondon said:
Good for him. Had to tell an ignorant 
last week that not everyone in the carriage wanted to hear his music. He tried to stare me out but I just said “it’s a bit a selfish isn’t it” and went back to reading my book and he turned it off.
On a tube about a year back opposite quite a large lady, her husband and baby chatting away to each other. last week that not everyone in the carriage wanted to hear his music. He tried to stare me out but I just said “it’s a bit a selfish isn’t it” and went back to reading my book and he turned it off.A skinny scroat gets on, sits down and starts playing some s
te music loudly on his phone. Large lady in mid-sentence just says to the skinny scroat.. "Can you please turn that off, it's most annoying" and carries on talking to her husband.
Music stopped instantly!
Brilliant and so unexpected.
Unfortunately not the norm.
MYOB said:
Ok, maybe I’m misunderstanding the situation then. I thought OP hadn’t seen a weapon or was threatened with one. The miscreant lifted a shirt so maybe things have moved on and warrants a call to 999 after all.
Happy to accept this as an emergency/threat to life etc.
If someone is indicating they are (or may be) tooled up, it's them wanting you to back off, usually. That said, if someone won't back off you end up calling his bluff. Personally, I'd rather assume he means what he's saying and warrants dealing with. In this instance, they didn't threaten me or anyone close to me so I decided that meeting up with my friends and having a few beers and a laugh seemed a better way to spend the day. Happy to accept this as an emergency/threat to life etc.
When a known/watched suspect might be carrying a gun, if he reaches for his pocket when you apprehend him, I doubt he's about to pull out a rabbit. Tough call.
HTP99 said:
You can text 61016, haven't a clue how effective it is though.
Can confirms that it works, just before Xmas last year there was a drunk bloke on the train generally making a nuisance of himself and being inappropriate with women. I texted with a full description and the carriage I was in. They called me back and the train was stopped a few stops later.
CharlieCrocodile said:
Can confirms that it works, just before Xmas last year there was a drunk bloke on the train generally making a nuisance of himself and being inappropriate with women. I texted with a full description and the carriage I was in.
They called me back and the train was stopped a few stops later.
They stopped the train?!?They called me back and the train was stopped a few stops later.
No guard to inform I guess?
zarjaz1991 said:
This type of issue isn’t your problem.
Don’t engage with the youths.
Definitely don’t call the police, they’re more likely to arrest you than the youths.
Get on with your day and accept that the police aren’t interested even if you could get hold of them.
Keep grinding that axe...Don’t engage with the youths.
Definitely don’t call the police, they’re more likely to arrest you than the youths.
Get on with your day and accept that the police aren’t interested even if you could get hold of them.
CharlieCrocodile said:
HTP99 said:
You can text 61016, haven't a clue how effective it is though.
Can confirms that it works, just before Xmas last year there was a drunk bloke on the train generally making a nuisance of himself and being inappropriate with women. I texted with a full description and the carriage I was in. They called me back and the train was stopped a few stops later.
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