The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*

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Kart16

385 posts

10 months

Sunday 19th May
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White-Noise said:
I really hope sainz lands something at the front. He's proving himself, I used to think Charles was the better driver but my opinion has really changed. Would be a shame to see him at a team further back... assuming audi aren't at the sharp end.
Sainz might be performing better lately or perhaps just got more lucky. I followed a bit their careers during karting, Leclerc was a great driver, up there with Max, Sainz on the other hand was average at best. Sainz was defeated by Kviyat in GP3 and just won the F-Renault 3.5 V6 because the grid was very weak. With no offense to Sainz, there is an abyss of talent between him and Leclerc. I don't think it was without a reason that Ferrari decided to change him with Hamilton and not Leclerc.

Sainz looks like that average student or athlete who dedicates himself tremendously to compensate for the lack of natural talent. I do believe he deserves a Red Bull or Mercedes seat.

732NM

4,857 posts

17 months

Sunday 19th May
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Derek Smith said:
I reckon MV's set-up might be compromised by only running in FP3 with it. Could be fun.

Who was pulled away from MV there?
Some idiot with the wrong pass. biggrin

ajprice

27,759 posts

198 months

Sunday 19th May
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Derek, the race thread is over there wink >> https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Derek Smith

45,847 posts

250 months

Sunday 19th May
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ajprice said:
Derek, the race thread is over there wink >> https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Thanks for that.

I was getting all excited over the McLs being so high.

I hope I didn't post
anything that spoiled the race for anyone.

TheDeuce

22,277 posts

68 months

Sunday 19th May
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vaud said:
White-Noise said:
I really hope sainz lands something at the front. He's proving himself, I used to think Charles was the better driver but my opinion has really changed. Would be a shame to see him at a team further back... assuming audi aren't at the sharp end.
Audi will take 5 years to be competitive - look at how long it took RB to get to the front - and how long a full factory team in the form of Alpine have failed to get to the front...
Alpine are just Renault - and as competitive as they were as Renault smile

They're also the only team that want (have to use) the stty Renault PU.

They're not a benchmark for a constructor making a genuine new entry to the sport.

SoulGlo

96 posts

33 months

Monday 20th May
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entropy said:
thegreenhell said:
deadslow said:
732NM said:
Alex is a very good driver. He would quite easily do well in a top seat. Like for many, Red Bull was toxic for him.
that's not right, though, is it?

Albon is a very good driver, but, at RB, he went up against the best and came up short. No shame in that.
But he was also very inexperienced when he was thrown in there. He'd only had half a season in F1, and wasn't even expecting to be in F1 at all at the start of the year, having signed up for a season of FE, when he was put in alongside MV.

I'm sure he's grown as a driver and as a person since then, as is normal for humans to grow with experience. Just because he failed at the first attempt doesn't automatically mean he'd do the same thing again.
Fully agree. I was never impressed by Coulthard at Williams and at the time I never understood why Frank was so desperate to keep him and he eventually blossomed at McLaren as a fully rounded F1 driver with multiple wins.
Another example is Heinz-Harald Frentzen at Williams. A great peddler but couldn't handle the environment or the engineers. Then he blossomed at Jordan in 1999 as an outsider for the championship.

The right environment and way people work together is a key aspect.

Hustle_

24,782 posts

162 months

Monday 20th May
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Quite a lot of rumour flying around on social media about Bottas going back to Williams. Would be a good move for both parties in my opinion.

B.Eccelerock

6 posts

24 months

Monday 20th May
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Hustle_ said:
Quite a lot of rumour flying around on social media about Bottas going back to Williams. Would be a good move for both parties in my opinion.
And Ocon leaving Alpine to goto Hass?!
Apparently Gene doesn't want a rookie (Bearman).
Although could be two openings at Hass.

vaud

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50,796 posts

157 months

Monday 20th May
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B.Eccelerock said:
And Ocon leaving Alpine to goto Hass?!
Apparently Gene doesn't want a rookie (Bearman).
Although could be two openings at Hass.
I think some have said that Gene doesn't want two rookies. Anyway all a negotiation on engine costs...

FourWheelDrift

88,711 posts

286 months

Monday 20th May
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vaud said:
I think some have said that Gene doesn't want two rookies.
He doesn't want another Mick Schumacher & Nikita Mazepin year.

thegreenhell

15,668 posts

221 months

Monday 20th May
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It says something about the state of Alpine when one of their drivers would rather move to Haas.

Leithen

11,085 posts

269 months

Monday 20th May
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FourWheelDrift said:
He doesn't want another Mick Schumacher & Nikita Mazepin year.
If I was a driver I wouldn’t want a year with last years crap car and no development either. hehe

732NM

4,857 posts

17 months

Monday 20th May
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FourWheelDrift said:
vaud said:
I think some have said that Gene doesn't want two rookies.
He doesn't want another Mick Schumacher & Nikita Mazepin year.
Gene wants cheap, the tight arse.

vaud

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50,796 posts

157 months

Monday 20th May
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732NM said:
Gene wants cheap, the tight arse.
Given his lack of investment in the wider operation, why pay for a top driver?

732NM

4,857 posts

17 months

Monday 20th May
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vaud said:
Given his lack of investment in the wider operation, why pay for a top driver?
Precisely.

thegreenhell

15,668 posts

221 months

Monday 20th May
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He's talking to Ocon, not a top driver.

kambites

67,683 posts

223 months

Monday 20th May
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vaud said:
White-Noise said:
I really hope sainz lands something at the front. He's proving himself, I used to think Charles was the better driver but my opinion has really changed. Would be a shame to see him at a team further back... assuming audi aren't at the sharp end.
Audi will take 5 years to be competitive - look at how long it took RB to get to the front - and how long a full factory team in the form of Alpine have failed to get to the front...
I suppose Mercedes managed it in four years and arguably Audi have actually entered F1 this year, even if it's not with a works engine yet (I think they now own all of Sauber?). They also have the benefit of what I believe Newey called "the biggest single change to the technical regulations in the history of the sport" coming in 2026.

I still don't think they'll be competing for wins before about 2030, but I wouldn't say it's impossible that they hit the ground running.

vaud

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50,796 posts

157 months

Monday 20th May
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kambites said:
I suppose Mercedes managed it in four years and arguably Audi have actually entered F1 this year, even if it's not with a works engine yet (I think they now own all of Sauber?). They also have the benefit of what I believe Newey called "the biggest single change to the technical regulations in the history of the sport" coming in 2026.

I still don't think they'll be competing for wins before about 2030, but I wouldn't say it's impossible that they hit the ground running.
I think it is much harder in a cost cap world...Mercedes did it free of any caps.

cuprabob

14,809 posts

216 months

Monday 20th May
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kambites said:
vaud said:
White-Noise said:
I really hope sainz lands something at the front. He's proving himself, I used to think Charles was the better driver but my opinion has really changed. Would be a shame to see him at a team further back... assuming audi aren't at the sharp end.
Audi will take 5 years to be competitive - look at how long it took RB to get to the front - and how long a full factory team in the form of Alpine have failed to get to the front...
I suppose Mercedes managed it in four years and arguably Audi have actually entered F1 this year, even if it's not with a works engine yet (I think they now own all of Sauber?). They also have the benefit of what I believe Newey called "the biggest single change to the technical regulations in the history of the sport" coming in 2026.

I still don't think they'll be competing for wins before about 2030, but I wouldn't say it's impossible that they hit the ground running.
The Audi will be very good at following the car in front very closely smile


kambites

67,683 posts

223 months

Monday 20th May
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vaud said:
I think it is much harder in a cost cap world...Mercedes did it free of any caps.
How does the cost cap work for teams intending to join the grid but which aren't on it yet? Are Audi limited in how much CFD they can do despite not actually being an F1 constructor yet?