Cyclist vs Car (again)
Discussion
I can't quite work how this got to fisticuffs, was the cyclist being an end of bell for shooting up the inside or was the van driver a cock for getting the hump about it? If that's the reason the whole thing went pear shaped of course.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cf7_1421319105
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cf7_1421319105
First observation is the cyclist is in the wrong position on the road and shouldnt be riding on the yellow lines, he should be a good 6 inches further to the right. Painted lines can be slippery but he should also be riding a little more defensive as it encourages cars to overtake when there isnt really enough space as per 40 seconds in when he gets a proper squeezing from the truck... however... It isnt clear if the van wants to turn left (despite not indicating) as his road position seems to imply this. At 0.55 its clear the cyclist will have seen the truck had slowed to turn left though and were it me, I would slow down, hold back, let the van go ahead...
Van driver is a mentalist though and deserves to be found guilty for assault. At 1:01 you can easily see him turn left into the kerb and knowingly squeeze the cyclist. You can normally sense if the driver of a vehicle is a dick by the speed they approach you and how close they get and I prefer to yield and not end up on the floor in situations like this.
Van driver is a mentalist though and deserves to be found guilty for assault. At 1:01 you can easily see him turn left into the kerb and knowingly squeeze the cyclist. You can normally sense if the driver of a vehicle is a dick by the speed they approach you and how close they get and I prefer to yield and not end up on the floor in situations like this.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 15th January 20:25
I just can't work out what started the whole thing off, the root cause. Whilst cyclists shooting up the inside can be a mild irritant (I'm talking about 0.1 on a scale of 1-10) it surely doesn't deserve a ram into the kerb and a thud in the chops. Did white van bloke start honking about a phone?
is the bin lorry who cuts it fine and then turns in 20 feet later causing all of the issues.Osinjak said:
I just can't work out what started the whole thing off, the root cause. Whilst cyclists shooting up the inside can be a mild irritant (I'm talking about 0.1 on a scale of 1-10) it surely doesn't deserve a ram into the kerb and a thud in the chops. Did white van bloke start honking about a phone?
No I suspect the van driver is a little unhinged and has a short fuse, anger management issues and aggression is his default reaction. For some people, what 99% of the population see as a minor irritant, they see as a the most heinous of threats.The cyclist could have played that so much better.
Another person armed with a camera being way too forceful trying to prove his point. Why do so many think a camera allows them to be so aggressive?
Still didn't deserve the van turning into him, or the belt in the mouth.
The van driver will find himself in trouble for his parts of the incident.
Another person armed with a camera being way too forceful trying to prove his point. Why do so many think a camera allows them to be so aggressive?
Still didn't deserve the van turning into him, or the belt in the mouth.
The van driver will find himself in trouble for his parts of the incident.
Gaz. said:
Two people went looking for trouble. Two people found trouble. The end.
Is a lot of the issues on the road, best to let the idiots go fight with someone else when they start on you.Cyclist riding on the yellow lines is likely enjoying the slightly smoother ride it gives than the bare tarmac, agreed it can be slippery though.
There is a good clear picture of the company name, email and mobile numbers for anyone wanting to wind an idiot up for an evenings entertainment on that video.
Not that it is something that should be done by anyone of course.
Driver101 said:
The cyclist could have played that so much better.
Another person armed with a camera being way too forceful trying to prove his point. Why do so many think a camera allows them to be so aggressive?
Still didn't deserve the van turning into him, or the belt in the mouth.
The van driver will find himself in trouble for his parts of the incident.
At what point is the cyclist being forceful or trying to prove a point?Another person armed with a camera being way too forceful trying to prove his point. Why do so many think a camera allows them to be so aggressive?
Still didn't deserve the van turning into him, or the belt in the mouth.
The van driver will find himself in trouble for his parts of the incident.
Unless I'm looking at the wrong video all I see is a cylcist keeping well over to the left eventually being cut up and taken out by a van
saaby93 said:
At what point is the cyclist being forceful or trying to prove a point?
Unless I'm looking at the wrong video all I see is a cylcist keeping well over to the left eventually being cut up and taken out by a van
He can see the van slowing down and minimal room left up the inside. He keeps pushing his bike into that little space when he really should have backed out. Unless I'm looking at the wrong video all I see is a cylcist keeping well over to the left eventually being cut up and taken out by a van
He wouldn't have got pushed off if he stopped. That's not excusing the van driver pushing him off though.
Driver101 said:
saaby93 said:
At what point is the cyclist being forceful or trying to prove a point?
Unless I'm looking at the wrong video all I see is a cylcist keeping well over to the left eventually being cut up and taken out by a van
He can see the van slowing down and minimal room left up the inside. He keeps pushing his bike into that little space when he really should have backed out. Unless I'm looking at the wrong video all I see is a cylcist keeping well over to the left eventually being cut up and taken out by a van
He wouldn't have got pushed off if he stopped. That's not excusing the van driver pushing him off though.
If the van could see the gap ahead was closing wouldnt he back off trying to overtake the cyclist?
saaby93 said:
ok that's a typical cyclist trying to keep momentum though
If the van could see the gap ahead was closing wouldnt he back off trying to overtake the cyclist?
If I had the chance to keep my momentum or be potentially knocked off my bike, I know which one I'd choose. If the van could see the gap ahead was closing wouldnt he back off trying to overtake the cyclist?
The van driver didn't overtake well at all. There is no excusing that.
However the biker had the choice to be the better man and pull back ignoring the poor driving by the van.
However he couldn't do that. He went under him dangerously at the junction into a space that was dangerous.
He was more concerned to then shout at the van driver for him using the phone, than his own safety.
Rather than trying to be the big man and telling others what to do, after seeing he was already aggressive with his driving, he should have had the sense to back off.
It's not the cyclists job to run around telling people what to do and shouting nutter at someone isn't going to go down too well.
As I say, if he wasn't so aggressive himself, that would have been a nothing incident other than the van coming a little close.
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