Intelligent Octopus
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TheDeuce said:
Wow that's a lot of off peak - what EV/mileage do you have/do?
Yes it's great the peak price is coming down - tbh I thought octopus locked me out of downward prices when I signed up to get locked in prices that were below the cap at the time.
Last bill we were down to 12ppkw average
Last one I had was 9.01p pkwh. I have had as low as 7.96p pkwh though. This is only because we charge our battery at night and use it through the day. Yes it's great the peak price is coming down - tbh I thought octopus locked me out of downward prices when I signed up to get locked in prices that were below the cap at the time.
Last bill we were down to 12ppkw average
Road2Ruin said:
TheDeuce said:
Wow that's a lot of off peak - what EV/mileage do you have/do?
Yes it's great the peak price is coming down - tbh I thought octopus locked me out of downward prices when I signed up to get locked in prices that were below the cap at the time.
Last bill we were down to 12ppkw average
Last one I had was 9.01p pkwh. I have had as low as 7.96p pkwh though. This is only because we charge our battery at night and use it through the day. Yes it's great the peak price is coming down - tbh I thought octopus locked me out of downward prices when I signed up to get locked in prices that were below the cap at the time.
Last bill we were down to 12ppkw average
In case it hasn't been mentioned before .. slap your API details in here and compare away.
Much better than the usual comparisons as it allows all smart tariffs.
https://octopriceuk.vercel.app/
Much better than the usual comparisons as it allows all smart tariffs.
https://octopriceuk.vercel.app/
TheDeuce said:
Wow that's a lot of off peak - what EV/mileage do you have/do?
Yes it's great the peak price is coming down - tbh I thought octopus locked me out of downward prices when I signed up to get locked in prices that were below the cap at the time.
Last bill we were down to 12ppkw average
Thats two EVs (iX and Mini) in the order of 1500-1800 miles on each of them but would have to check more thoroughly. The mini gets a 27kWh charge which corresponds to nearly its entire capacity near nightly and the BMW is used less frequently but covers longer journeys at a lower overall efficiency.Yes it's great the peak price is coming down - tbh I thought octopus locked me out of downward prices when I signed up to get locked in prices that were below the cap at the time.
Last bill we were down to 12ppkw average
Water heating is approx 250kWh/month at night.
We run dishwasher once nightly full now instead of twice half full (took the missus some time to get to grips but now she’s got it). Laundry similar although if we are running several loads a day we prioritise hotter/longer washes in off-peak.
Busy WFH business with lots of IT equipment running constantly. Busy household generally.
Pistonheadsdicoverer said:
Worth investing in solar?
It would be nice to have, but the roof is complex and less than ideal, I’d have to literally shove panels anywhere I could and would end up with lots of different aspects, shading etc.I’m thinking of doing my detached garage roof first as its a straightforward install for 12 panels on 4 aspects without scaffolding, installing with a solaredge and using it as a proof of concept.
Battery storage is also something I’ve thought about with renewed interest now prices are falling but when I can average 12p per unit from the grid the cost case still isn’t that compelling.
I’d do it more from a perspective of reducing grid dependency (somewhat), backup and protection against future price rises.
Its a shame that the plot is reasonably constrained. I’m also on a conservation area, a lot of houses have them and I’m sure its a permitted development, but when somebody takes the piss and plasters 38 panels on their roof in every direction it might get some curtains twitching.
Except that is does not work with Intelligent Octopus Go - so pointless
recalluk said:
In case it hasn't been mentioned before .. slap your API details in here and compare away.
Much better than the usual comparisons as it allows all smart tariffs.
https://octopriceuk.vercel.app/
Much better than the usual comparisons as it allows all smart tariffs.
https://octopriceuk.vercel.app/
PlywoodPascal said:
What do people reckon the best tariff would be for a heavy gas user, fairly normal/low electricity.
About 7-10 kWh electricity a day
About 180 kWh gas a day
Octopus Tracker for gas as I am not aware of anything cheaper, and then either Tracker or Agile for electricity depending on *when* during the day you use the electricity.About 7-10 kWh electricity a day
About 180 kWh gas a day
For anyone interested I have now done the first month on the intelligent tariff and also my first month with fairly typical usage.
Results were charged 183kW. Covered 438 miles. Cost was c.£15. (pre condition is on, sentry mode is on)
My MO is to plug in every day - or at least 4-5 days (as used). My charge limit is set to 100% on the car and 90% on the Octopus app.
I set my charger to 5A.
As I only charge on a granny charger this means my car is usually charging most of the time at night all night. Normally hits about 70-75% by the time the car is next used.
I also dial back my "ready" time if we need to put the dishwasher and washing machine on as this normally brings the start time back to 2200.
I also sometimes dial it forward to 11am and this gives us the cheap rate till 11am too. This is usually on weekends I have found.
Results were charged 183kW. Covered 438 miles. Cost was c.£15. (pre condition is on, sentry mode is on)
My MO is to plug in every day - or at least 4-5 days (as used). My charge limit is set to 100% on the car and 90% on the Octopus app.
I set my charger to 5A.
As I only charge on a granny charger this means my car is usually charging most of the time at night all night. Normally hits about 70-75% by the time the car is next used.
I also dial back my "ready" time if we need to put the dishwasher and washing machine on as this normally brings the start time back to 2200.
I also sometimes dial it forward to 11am and this gives us the cheap rate till 11am too. This is usually on weekends I have found.
gotoPzero said:
For anyone interested I have now done the first month on the intelligent tariff and also my first month with fairly typical usage.
Results were charged 183kW. Covered 438 miles. Cost was c.£15. (pre condition is on, sentry mode is on)
My MO is to plug in every day - or at least 4-5 days (as used). My charge limit is set to 100% on the car and 90% on the Octopus app.
I set my charger to 5A.
As I only charge on a granny charger this means my car is usually charging most of the time at night all night. Normally hits about 70-75% by the time the car is next used.
I also dial back my "ready" time if we need to put the dishwasher and washing machine on as this normally brings the start time back to 2200.
I also sometimes dial it forward to 11am and this gives us the cheap rate till 11am too. This is usually on weekends I have found.
That’s the same as we did for the first few weeks of EV ownership. If we could have put up with the “hassle” of setting up a charge everyday from the garage then it would easily suits 99% of our charging needs. Results were charged 183kW. Covered 438 miles. Cost was c.£15. (pre condition is on, sentry mode is on)
My MO is to plug in every day - or at least 4-5 days (as used). My charge limit is set to 100% on the car and 90% on the Octopus app.
I set my charger to 5A.
As I only charge on a granny charger this means my car is usually charging most of the time at night all night. Normally hits about 70-75% by the time the car is next used.
I also dial back my "ready" time if we need to put the dishwasher and washing machine on as this normally brings the start time back to 2200.
I also sometimes dial it forward to 11am and this gives us the cheap rate till 11am too. This is usually on weekends I have found.
gotoPzero said:
For anyone interested I have now done the first month on the intelligent tariff and also my first month with fairly typical usage.
Results were charged 183kW. Covered 438 miles. Cost was c.£15. (pre condition is on, sentry mode is on)
My MO is to plug in every day - or at least 4-5 days (as used). My charge limit is set to 100% on the car and 90% on the Octopus app.
I set my charger to 5A.
As I only charge on a granny charger this means my car is usually charging most of the time at night all night. Normally hits about 70-75% by the time the car is next used.
I also dial back my "ready" time if we need to put the dishwasher and washing machine on as this normally brings the start time back to 2200.
I also sometimes dial it forward to 11am and this gives us the cheap rate till 11am too. This is usually on weekends I have found.
If you reduce the charger current, do you get more hours at the off peak rate?Results were charged 183kW. Covered 438 miles. Cost was c.£15. (pre condition is on, sentry mode is on)
My MO is to plug in every day - or at least 4-5 days (as used). My charge limit is set to 100% on the car and 90% on the Octopus app.
I set my charger to 5A.
As I only charge on a granny charger this means my car is usually charging most of the time at night all night. Normally hits about 70-75% by the time the car is next used.
I also dial back my "ready" time if we need to put the dishwasher and washing machine on as this normally brings the start time back to 2200.
I also sometimes dial it forward to 11am and this gives us the cheap rate till 11am too. This is usually on weekends I have found.
gotoPzero said:
It kind of seems like it but I am unsure.
I think it defiantly looks at SOC of the vehicle though.
So the lower you keep your SOC - the longer you get when you do tell it to charge that is for sure. (on a granny)
Then you can boost that even more by moving your ready times up and down.
I don't think it does. On my old VW when I lowered the charging limit, it did not amend the charging schedule. I think it defiantly looks at SOC of the vehicle though.
So the lower you keep your SOC - the longer you get when you do tell it to charge that is for sure. (on a granny)
Then you can boost that even more by moving your ready times up and down.
What IO does is look at the state of charge you request, when you are asking for it to be ready and then tries to find enough cheap capacity to get it to that charge by the time you request. This is also based on the charge power of the charger you use. Some chargers and cars can also vary the charge rate. This may, or may not, have an effect. It all depends on whether IO is working with the device that alters the charge. So if IO works with your car, rather than the charger, and you alter the charge rate on your car, then IO will probably know and alter the available cheap rate. If it works with the charger, and you alter the charge on your car, IO won't know and it will not alter anything. This of course works the other way round too.
Altering things though, does not guarantee you any extra cheap rate. Although, in my experience, you mostly get it.
Altering things though, does not guarantee you any extra cheap rate. Although, in my experience, you mostly get it.
Road2Ruin said:
What IO does is look at the state of charge you request, when you are asking for it to be ready and then tries to find enough cheap capacity to get it to that charge by the time you request. This is also based on the charge power of the charger you use. Some chargers and cars can also vary the charge rate. This may, or may not, have an effect. It all depends on whether IO is working with the device that alters the charge. So if IO works with your car, rather than the charger, and you alter the charge rate on your car, then IO will probably know and alter the available cheap rate. If it works with the charger, and you alter the charge on your car, IO won't know and it will not alter anything. This of course works the other way round too.
Altering things though, does not guarantee you any extra cheap rate. Although, in my experience, you mostly get it.
As I mentioned before, on my VW I changed the charging current to its lowest and it made no difference when IO sets a charging schedule. The standard is 10a and I changed to 5a so in theory it should have given double the charging hours, it didn't though.Altering things though, does not guarantee you any extra cheap rate. Although, in my experience, you mostly get it.
And your right in saying Octopus communicates with the car but only to check the battery SOC, not to check the charging current.
325iMSport said:
Road2Ruin said:
What IO does is look at the state of charge you request, when you are asking for it to be ready and then tries to find enough cheap capacity to get it to that charge by the time you request. This is also based on the charge power of the charger you use. Some chargers and cars can also vary the charge rate. This may, or may not, have an effect. It all depends on whether IO is working with the device that alters the charge. So if IO works with your car, rather than the charger, and you alter the charge rate on your car, then IO will probably know and alter the available cheap rate. If it works with the charger, and you alter the charge on your car, IO won't know and it will not alter anything. This of course works the other way round too.
Altering things though, does not guarantee you any extra cheap rate. Although, in my experience, you mostly get it.
As I mentioned before, on my VW I changed the charging current to its lowest and it made no difference when IO sets a charging schedule. The standard is 10a and I changed to 5a so in theory it should have given double the charging hours, it didn't though.Altering things though, does not guarantee you any extra cheap rate. Although, in my experience, you mostly get it.
And your right in saying Octopus communicates with the car but only to check the battery SOC, not to check the charging current.
If you change this, you’ll pick up a schedule based on the previous rate. It you reduce the charging current you may therefore fail to get the charge you need, until Octopus detects and adapts to the new rate.
If you change it all the time I suspect you’ll have unpredictable results.
Yeah thats why I wasnt sure but it seems to have settled down for me.
If I plug in at lunch time on a Friday I normally get a schedule of 7pm to 8am.
There abouts.
If I then change my ready time at say 10pm it normally re-sets and then gives me to 11am.
So I get 7pm to 11am.
It does not seem as keen to do this on week days.
You might get an hour early but thats it.
Your SOC also has to be below maybe 60% for it to work.
If I plug in at lunch time on a Friday I normally get a schedule of 7pm to 8am.
There abouts.
If I then change my ready time at say 10pm it normally re-sets and then gives me to 11am.
So I get 7pm to 11am.
It does not seem as keen to do this on week days.
You might get an hour early but thats it.
Your SOC also has to be below maybe 60% for it to work.
Old man in eighth decade - any advice greatly appreciated.
Trying to connect i4 to Intelligent Go.
Keep getting cannot complete the test charge message having tried 6-7 times.
How should the BMW app and the GivEnergy (solar and wall charger installer) app be set up?
Messages sent to Octopus Friday and today but no response.
Trying to connect i4 to Intelligent Go.
Keep getting cannot complete the test charge message having tried 6-7 times.
How should the BMW app and the GivEnergy (solar and wall charger installer) app be set up?
Messages sent to Octopus Friday and today but no response.
newlad said:
Old man in eighth decade - any advice greatly appreciated.
Trying to connect i4 to Intelligent Go.
Keep getting cannot complete the test charge message having tried 6-7 times.
How should the BMW app and the GivEnergy (solar and wall charger installer) app be set up?
Messages sent to Octopus Friday and today but no response.
Switch off all profiles and charging options in the BMW app, it should be set to "immediate charging"... Cant help on the charger but the usual is to set it to "dumb" and let octopus control the car.Trying to connect i4 to Intelligent Go.
Keep getting cannot complete the test charge message having tried 6-7 times.
How should the BMW app and the GivEnergy (solar and wall charger installer) app be set up?
Messages sent to Octopus Friday and today but no response.
However you may want some automation to charge both car and battery. Never seen the givenergy setup. Maybe worth a call to the givenergy folks, they should have seen IO before.
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