Intelligent Octopus

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Dashnine

1,336 posts

51 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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Just out of curiosity, and maybe only for those with IO controlling the charge via the car (CupraConnect app in my case) and a granny charger rather than a 7KWh charger, but what happens if you block Octopus access to the car (change the app password for example) and just control the charge yourself using a timer from 11:30 to 0530?

Do they detect they no longer have access to the car, assume you're not charging it that night / week / month, etc.?

Dashnine

1,336 posts

51 months

Friday 28th July 2023
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So I did the first IO charge last night, but it only charged for 5 hours of the 23:30-05:30 IO window, not quite filling the battery (app was set to 100% full).

I'm wondering if the car told IO it needed a certain amount of charge to get to 100% and as I selected a specific charging rate on the granny charger option, I wonder if I chose one too high for the actual charge rate, so IO worked out how long to charge for and came up slightly short?

Question is, how to reselect a different granny charge capability, disconnect and reconnect?

Keith R

115 posts

236 months

Friday 28th July 2023
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theboss said:
gmaz said:
For anyone who has a Tesla and a Zappi with IO, I think I have found the method to make it work reliably even though the Zappi is not supported by Octopus.

1. Set Zappi to FAST mode
2. Plug Tesla in and it will start to charge immediately
3. In the Tesla app, tap "Stop Charging"
4. In the Octopus app, set your charge limit (same as the Tesla charge limit) and ready time, and save.

A bit of a faff, but it always seems to work for me. Anyone know a better or different method?
1. Set Zappi to FAST mode
2. Plug Tesla in and let Octopus do the rest
Sorry, but letting Octopus do the rest hasn't worked for me, and would probably end up being very expensive!

gmaz, I will give your steps a go. Thanks for this. It's all I've wanted from Octopus after spending weeks going back and forth with them trying to sort this out. Contrary to what some have said, the customer service has been awful!

Edited by Keith R on Friday 28th July 13:33

theboss

6,938 posts

220 months

Friday 28th July 2023
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Keith R said:
Sorry, but letting Octopus do the rest hasn't worked for me, and would probably end up being very expensive!

gmaz, I will give your steps a go. Thanks for this. It's all I've wanted from Octopus after spending weeks going back and forth with them trying to sort this out. Contrary to what some have said, the customer service has been awful!

Edited by Keith R on Friday 28th July 13:33
Probably a comms issue with your car then, perhaps you're in marginal cellular coverage area for Tesla's comms?

I integrate IO with the wife's Mini, we live in direct line of sight of a Voda mast (which BMW telemetry uses) and it's literally never messed up. It's plug and forget.

I also have Home Assistant sitting querying Octopus' API constantly and its extremely stable and predictable.

I think a lot of issues like this will be down to the reachability of the car's systems.

If I had to faff about instead of just letting IO manage the car charging then I think I'd just move to Go or similar where its fixed off-peak hours without any of the so-called intelligent aspect.

Edited by theboss on Friday 28th July 15:44

The OG Jester

157 posts

15 months

Monday 31st July 2023
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I've just swapped over to them but I'm not 100% convinced everything is set up as it should so I'll need to call them today.

On the app its still showing me as being on the Flexible tariff and the £50 sign up cost hasn't been credited to my account yet (I got a referral code). I linked the BMW app, the Ohme Pro charger and the Octopus accounts while it done a test charger for about 7 mins. It came up successful but they haven't confirmed that via the app or email and that's making me uneasy to try and charge at home.

Lucky for me I have free charging in the council car parks where I live so I've not had to use the home charger yet until I get all this confirmed.

Dashnine

1,336 posts

51 months

Monday 31st July 2023
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The OG Jester said:
I've just swapped over to them but I'm not 100% convinced everything is set up as it should so I'll need to call them today.

On the app its still showing me as being on the Flexible tariff and the £50 sign up cost hasn't been credited to my account yet (I got a referral code). I linked the BMW app, the Ohme Pro charger and the Octopus accounts while it done a test charger for about 7 mins. It came up successful but they haven't confirmed that via the app or email and that's making me uneasy to try and charge at home.

Lucky for me I have free charging in the council car parks where I live so I've not had to use the home charger yet until I get all this confirmed.
I swapped over to IO last week, it took a couple of days to change from Flexible to IO in the app.

Dashnine

1,336 posts

51 months

Friday 4th August 2023
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For anyone with a Cupra hybrid or electric car, you can get £90 towards your Octopus Intelligent or Go energy bill by supplying proof of the car purchase at the following link: https://www.cupraofficial.co.uk/owners/about-your-...
Link for lease drivers too on the page.

Dashnine

1,336 posts

51 months

Monday 21st August 2023
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Can anyone confirm that when you plug the car in, for the brief period of time (up to 30 mins apparently) before IO turns it off, is charged at the night rate, not the day rate?

I have the problem it's slow to, or doesn't turn off the charge even though it's set a charging schedule overnight.

sparkymark75

130 posts

106 months

Monday 21st August 2023
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Dashnine said:
Can anyone confirm that when you plug the car in, for the brief period of time (up to 30 mins apparently) before IO turns it off, is charged at the night rate, not the day rate?

I have the problem it's slow to, or doesn't turn off the charge even though it's set a charging schedule overnight.
I think you'll get charged the rate that is applicable at the time of charging. Just manually stop the charge in your cars app, thats what I do. IO will still do its calculations.

dmsims

6,561 posts

268 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2023
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Dashnine said:
Can anyone confirm that when you plug the car in, for the brief period of time (up to 30 mins apparently) before IO turns it off, is charged at the night rate, not the day rate?

I have the problem it's slow to, or doesn't turn off the charge even though it's set a charging schedule overnight.
What car ?

TheDeuce

22,100 posts

67 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2023
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sparkymark75 said:
Dashnine said:
Can anyone confirm that when you plug the car in, for the brief period of time (up to 30 mins apparently) before IO turns it off, is charged at the night rate, not the day rate?

I have the problem it's slow to, or doesn't turn off the charge even though it's set a charging schedule overnight.
I think you'll get charged the rate that is applicable at the time of charging. Just manually stop the charge in your cars app, thats what I do. IO will still do its calculations.
Indeed, you're charged at the standard rate unless you're in the guaranteed cheap rate hours or unless the app has scheduled extra hours for the time in question.

I had this with my iPace, typically it took ~10 minutes to stop/start the charge as intended. I used to keep an eye on it via the app when I remembered and a few times it was obviously just not going to turn off after ~20 minutes, at that point I would use the cars app to stop the charge and every time, when the charge was supposed to start according to the app, it did - albeit probably sometimes with the same sort of delay. I've no doubt that over the last 18 months of using IO with the iPace that I've paid for plenty of needless peak rate charging time due to the flakey control, but I doubt more than a £100 or so in total.

However, with my new car, BMW i4, it seems to work seamlessly. The thing is.. all Octopus can do is send a command to the car to start/stop charging. It's up to the cars manufacturer to ensure the car and their network with the car is reactive and reliable - in the iPace, sadly it wasn't always ideal. Not just with regard to Octopus, but even me using the app to turn the AC on sometimes took forever for the car to wake up and take action.

I guess some EV's were designed with connectivity seen as a perk, not a critical requirement and hence some aren't as reliable as Octopus ideally needs them to be. I'm sure this will improve and I think some standards for connectivity such as reliability and response times, confirmation times of response etc need to be mandated so car manufacturers have a standardised set of min requirements to work to - because ultimately solutions such as IO need to know what they're working with in terms of response times and confirmation from the cars.

dmsims

6,561 posts

268 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2023
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In summary the usual JLR st show!

TheDeuce

22,100 posts

67 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2023
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dmsims said:
In summary the usual JLR st show!
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They can make you the most perfect car in terms of how it drives, how it feels and how it looks inside and out.

But when it comes to actually working, reliably... I'll give them a charitable 7/10. With extra points for effort - it's the effort that counts. Sort of.

Dashnine

1,336 posts

51 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2023
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dmsims said:
Dashnine said:
Can anyone confirm that when you plug the car in, for the brief period of time (up to 30 mins apparently) before IO turns it off, is charged at the night rate, not the day rate?

I have the problem it's slow to, or doesn't turn off the charge even though it's set a charging schedule overnight.
What car ?
It’s a Cupra Formentor Hybrid.

I have a WiFi controlled switch in the purpose made ‘extension’ cable to a weather proof socket on the garage so I can use the app/Alexa to turn the power on at 11:30. IO can then do it’s thing and the initial setup charge will on cheap rate too.

MarkM2

155 posts

190 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2023
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dmsims said:
In summary the usual JLR st show!
Only had mine a week but IO hasn't missed a beat yet, touch wood! I still stop the charging as soon as I've plugged it in around 7pm via the Jag app (as I noticed it can take 10 mins, money down the drain), and then 30 mins later Octopus have worked out the nights 'schedule'. By the morning, it's all done and dusted. Wonder if something improved in a software update along the line...

TheDeuce

22,100 posts

67 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2023
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MarkM2 said:
dmsims said:
In summary the usual JLR st show!
Only had mine a week but IO hasn't missed a beat yet, touch wood! I still stop the charging as soon as I've plugged it in around 7pm via the Jag app (as I noticed it can take 10 mins, money down the drain), and then 30 mins later Octopus have worked out the nights 'schedule'. By the morning, it's all done and dusted. Wonder if something improved in a software update along the line...
I had the old infotainment system which is generally just poor to respond via remote inputs. Are you on pivi pro?

I still got the best from intelligent octopus, it was fine - I just had to keep an eye on it. All working perfectly with the BMW though, the car responds within seconds looking at how closely the cars charging reports matches what was mapped out by Octopus. It gave me 12.5 hours of cheap last night!

MarkM2

155 posts

190 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2023
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TheDeuce said:
MarkM2 said:
dmsims said:
In summary the usual JLR st show!
Only had mine a week but IO hasn't missed a beat yet, touch wood! I still stop the charging as soon as I've plugged it in around 7pm via the Jag app (as I noticed it can take 10 mins, money down the drain), and then 30 mins later Octopus have worked out the nights 'schedule'. By the morning, it's all done and dusted. Wonder if something improved in a software update along the line...
I had the old infotainment system which is generally just poor to respond via remote inputs. Are you on pivi pro?

I still got the best from intelligent octopus, it was fine - I just had to keep an eye on it. All working perfectly with the BMW though, the car responds within seconds looking at how closely the cars charging reports matches what was mapped out by Octopus. It gave me 12.5 hours of cheap last night!
Yeah I'm on old tech non-Pivi, but I've come from F-series BMWs so pretty much on par haha biggrin It's a little 'laggy' at times, but does the trick. Hopefully it'll keep on performing the way it's done so far...

Simond S

4,518 posts

278 months

Monday 28th August 2023
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Mved to IO a few days ago.

Charged my etron overnight, all good.

Plugged the wifes i3 in yesterday and nothing happened. The charger didnt even recognise that the cable was plugged in and a car connected.

We have a Rolec EV Smart charger, any thoughts or insights welcome.

dmsims

6,561 posts

268 months

Monday 28th August 2023
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Simond S said:
Mved to IO a few days ago.

Charged my etron overnight, all good.

Plugged the wifes i3 in yesterday and nothing happened. The charger didnt even recognise that the cable was plugged in and a car connected.

We have a Rolec EV Smart charger, any thoughts or insights welcome.
The Rolec is useless (in this context)

Is the i3 supported ?

Merry

1,375 posts

189 months

Monday 28th August 2023
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Does anyone know if you can have intelligent Octopus and not use it outside of the nightime hours? I have a podpoint charger and have no intention of changing it.

Reason is I have a Tesla which is supported, but is nearly always charged at work, however the wife is likely to get something unsupported (a Zoe or Corsa or something) which will be charged overnight.

Can I just use the overnight hours or will they get shirty?