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Mikebentley

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141 months

Wednesday 20th March
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Tycho

11,655 posts

274 months

Thursday 21st March
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The_Burg said:
No auto wipers - or could this be done in software using front camera? Was very surprised at this, it's been a standard feature for many years.
I have a Model 3 with auto wipers controlled by cameras. Trust me, you don't want it as they just don't work. They took out the physical sensor as they thought they could save money by using cameras but a lot of people turn them off when they get into the car. They are so bad that they have turned off the requirement to have them on auto when using Autopilot due to the amount of complaints. One company is apparently working on a sensor you stick to the windscreen that connects to the car to tell it when to put the wipers on.

Mikebentley

6,176 posts

141 months

Thursday 21st March
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Just so you know why my above post was edited.
I posted up the reply email I received from MG UK Customer Services.
It was little short of patronising. They suggested the car knows best and will make better decisions than I could make myself and that my driving needs to adjust. It is perfectly acceptable for the car to phantom brake /emergency stop and to input very aggressive steering inputs when it sees shadows etc. They even gave me a little lecture about the LKA and AEB functions being the precursor of fully autonomous vehicles and that their systems design and functionality are absolutely spot on.

I read the contents of my email from them and my lease company employee couldn’t believe it. They have offered me a no cost rejection of the car with a pro rata refund of my deposit which I am taking. MG seem incapable of accepting the car is on occasions borderline dangerous. Even today when passing a cyclist by about 3 metres with indicator on the car tried to steer hard to the left as I passed the cyclist.

I removed the email as I didn’t want to break name and shaming rules. The car is ok and quite a fun steer. The issue with LKA an and AEB are though making it very stressful to drive and the wife no longer will. It will be gone as soon as a replacement is found. Test drives tomorrow.

Tycho

11,655 posts

274 months

Thursday 21st March
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WOW. Disgraceful but unfortunately not surprisingly bad customer service.

Mikebentley

6,176 posts

141 months

Thursday 21st March
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The Renault Megane e tech in top iconic trim is a good car and I have previously driven one quite extensively. It also has a handy button to the right of the steering wheel to disable LKA. I’m driving a Smart #1 In Premium trim tomorrow having looked at it today. The Smart is very nice inside.

kambites

67,656 posts

222 months

Thursday 21st March
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Tycho said:
WOW. Disgraceful but unfortunately not surprisingly bad customer service.
Sadly, it sounds like they've been learning from the German manufacturers.

Durzel

12,296 posts

169 months

Friday 22nd March
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Tycho said:
The_Burg said:
No auto wipers - or could this be done in software using front camera? Was very surprised at this, it's been a standard feature for many years.
I have a Model 3 with auto wipers controlled by cameras. Trust me, you don't want it as they just don't work. They took out the physical sensor as they thought they could save money by using cameras but a lot of people turn them off when they get into the car. They are so bad that they have turned off the requirement to have them on auto when using Autopilot due to the amount of complaints. One company is apparently working on a sensor you stick to the windscreen that connects to the car to tell it when to put the wipers on.
Every other car that does auto wipers has a rain sensor that is tried and tested technology. Tesla for whatever reason thinks it knows best and believes it can simulate this with a camera, a camera that can't see the whole windscreen and has no night vision capabilities.

They've had several years to try and get it working and have failed, but won't admit it. Every time there is a new update people ponder whether it will be improved, or worse, with some swearing blind it feels better (based on completely unscientific testing). The reality is that it only works in a very narrow set of operating conditions, and even then "dry wiping" in sunshine with zero rain is something that can happen.

If queried Tesla will say that "auto wipers" is in beta. This is a driver convenience feature that Just Works™ on every other car that uses a proper, discreet rain sensor.

Anyway, all of that is to say that if the MG4 or others don't have a rain sensor already fitted, I doubt it can be fixed in software.

Tycho

11,655 posts

274 months

Friday 22nd March
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Durzel said:
Every other car that does auto wipers has a rain sensor that is tried and tested technology. Tesla for whatever reason thinks it knows best and believes it can simulate this with a camera, a camera that can't see the whole windscreen and has no night vision capabilities.

They've had several years to try and get it working and have failed, but won't admit it. Every time there is a new update people ponder whether it will be improved, or worse, with some swearing blind it feels better (based on completely unscientific testing). The reality is that it only works in a very narrow set of operating conditions, and even then "dry wiping" in sunshine with zero rain is something that can happen.

If queried Tesla will say that "auto wipers" is in beta. This is a driver convenience feature that Just Works™ on every other car that uses a proper, discreet rain sensor.

Anyway, all of that is to say that if the MG4 or others don't have a rain sensor already fitted, I doubt it can be fixed in software.
Yeah, it will never got fixed but it saves a bit of money. Just like taking the USS away, they save a couple of ££'s but balls up basic functionality that means people will go elsewhere. I love my model 3 and the wipers are a minor irritation compared to the rest of the tech in the car.

Mikebentley

6,176 posts

141 months

Friday 22nd March
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I can reliably inform you that the wipers work well on the MG4!

ucb

961 posts

213 months

Friday 22nd March
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Mikebentley said:
The Renault Megane e tech in top iconic trim is a good car and I have previously driven one quite extensively. It also has a handy button to the right of the steering wheel to disable LKA. I’m driving a Smart #1 In Premium trim tomorrow having looked at it today. The Smart is very nice inside.
How was the Smart? Tempted by either a Smart #1 or an i3 to replace my partners Volvo XC60

Mikebentley

6,176 posts

141 months

Saturday 23rd March
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ucb said:
Mikebentley said:
The Renault Megane e tech in top iconic trim is a good car and I have previously driven one quite extensively. It also has a handy button to the right of the steering wheel to disable LKA. I’m driving a Smart #1 In Premium trim tomorrow having looked at it today. The Smart is very nice inside.
How was the Smart? Tempted by either a Smart #1 or an i3 to replace my partners Volvo XC60
I’m a fan of the Megane e tech as it’s a very compelling package so it was the front runner. However the Smart drove really well. The interior is absolutely lovely and has plenty of space for rear seat passengers. It all has a more quality feel. It has all the Google stuff etc integrated too. I had highlighted my concerns about intrusive tech and the salesman made a big thing of an extensive test drive where we really challenged the system. The systems are nowhere near an intrusive as the MG4 with just gentle vibration of the steering wheel. Here’s the kicker though. You can set your preferred settings into your profile along with the seats etc and the car remembers it every time.

The main takeaway though was the fact Mercedes still own 50% of Smart so have a vested interest in your satisfaction and the customer experience. OTA updates are also slick. When we got into the car the main screen said there was an update, the guy pressed accept and it carried it out in about 3 seconds. The software and voice recognition response was also spot on.

Will be ordering Monday for delivery in 3/4 weeks or sooner. Can’t wait.

plfrench

2,411 posts

269 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Mikebentley said:
I’m a fan of the Megane e tech as it’s a very compelling package so it was the front runner. However the Smart drove really well. The interior is absolutely lovely and has plenty of space for rear seat passengers. It all has a more quality feel. It has all the Google stuff etc integrated too. I had highlighted my concerns about intrusive tech and the salesman made a big thing of an extensive test drive where we really challenged the system. The systems are nowhere near an intrusive as the MG4 with just gentle vibration of the steering wheel. Here’s the kicker though. You can set your preferred settings into your profile along with the seats etc and the car remembers it every time.

The main takeaway though was the fact Mercedes still own 50% of Smart so have a vested interest in your satisfaction and the customer experience. OTA updates are also slick. When we got into the car the main screen said there was an update, the guy pressed accept and it carried it out in about 3 seconds. The software and voice recognition response was also spot on.

Will be ordering Monday for delivery in 3/4 weeks or sooner. Can’t wait.
Sound like a sensible move. I’ve not had a go in an MG4, but was massively put off by the MG ZS EV we test drove when my wife was looking for a car. It was awfully unfinished - like they just stopped developing it part way through. It would have been £90 per month cheaper than the Born she went for, but it was so bad that it was a no brainer to give it a wide berth. It seemed a big ask for MG to have pulled their socks up to a big enough degree in the space of a year or so and your experience very much supports this.

Mikebentley

6,176 posts

141 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Last Monday the MG dealer loaned me an MG ZS EV. I drove it 500 metres turned round and handed the keys back. It was awful compared to the MG4 so I decided to take the day off instead and wait for my service. It was refreshing at Mercedes. The salesman started by saying do you know of any of the issues there have been with the #1. I mentioned sticky door handles, drive motor noises and software issues which I know affected cars in the first month or so. He acknowledged these but what is telling is they are acknowledged and fixed and are not an issue 5 months later. As I said Mercedes seem to actually give a toss about their customers. The interior is just a place that doesn’t feel like “ that’ll do sign it off”. There are really thoughtful and interesting design details which add to the premium feel. Going for black with either a black or cream interior with leather made from vegans (seemed like a good use for them).

Sheepshanks

32,917 posts

120 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Mikebentley said:
The main takeaway though was the fact Mercedes still own 50% of Smart so have a vested interest in your satisfaction and the customer experience.
That will make many who’ve owned a Mercedes smile!

Don’t know what’s happened, but our local MB dealer isn’t listed as a Smart dealer any more.

Mikebentley

6,176 posts

141 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Sheepshanks said:
Mikebentley said:
The main takeaway though was the fact Mercedes still own 50% of Smart so have a vested interest in your satisfaction and the customer experience.
That will make many who’ve owned a Mercedes smile!

Don’t know what’s happened, but our local MB dealer isn’t listed as a Smart dealer any more.
I too have had several Mercedes from new. You do have to know though I am comparing them to Dacia and MG in the last 3 years so it’s not a high bar! Conversely my JLR experience of the last 3 yrs has been excellent. Zero issues on the new Defender but I did pick a car made in Slovakia.

FMOB

1,007 posts

13 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Mikebentley said:
Just so you know why my above post was edited.
I posted up the reply email I received from MG UK Customer Services.
It was little short of patronising. They suggested the car knows best and will make better decisions than I could make myself and that my driving needs to adjust. It is perfectly acceptable for the car to phantom brake /emergency stop and to input very aggressive steering inputs when it sees shadows etc. They even gave me a little lecture about the LKA and AEB functions being the precursor of fully autonomous vehicles and that their systems design and functionality are absolutely spot on.

I read the contents of my email from them and my lease company employee couldn’t believe it. They have offered me a no cost rejection of the car with a pro rata refund of my deposit which I am taking. MG seem incapable of accepting the car is on occasions borderline dangerous. Even today when passing a cyclist by about 3 metres with indicator on the car tried to steer hard to the left as I passed the cyclist.

I removed the email as I didn’t want to break name and shaming rules. The car is ok and quite a fun steer. The issue with LKA an and AEB are though making it very stressful to drive and the wife no longer will. It will be gone as soon as a replacement is found. Test drives tomorrow.
A very inscrutable response! All things considered I am not surprised at the response, par for the course.



M4cruiser

3,709 posts

151 months

Saturday 23rd March
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Mikebentley said:
The issue with LKA an and AEB are though making it very stressful to drive
The Golf does similar stupid things, and I guess many cars will.
It's the mandated systems, but they are poorly developed.
The Golf will steer to follow erased white lines, tarmac joins etc, and is particularly dumb when one lane widens out and becomes two lanes.
Nobody has yet crashed into the back when it does its phantom braking, but they do think I'm "brake testing" them.
So it's not just MG.
If you find a car which behaves properly then please let me know! I want to go back to an older car.

FMOB

1,007 posts

13 months

Saturday 23rd March
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If people haven't these issues should be reported to DVSA, not to try and get a resolution but as evidence there are problems with these systems.

Only other option is to stop buying cars with these systems, when manufacturers see sales plummet they will have to do something.

ChocolateFrog

25,725 posts

174 months

Saturday 23rd March
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FMOB said:
If people haven't these issues should be reported to DVSA, not to try and get a resolution but as evidence there are problems with these systems.

Only other option is to stop buying cars with these systems, when manufacturers see sales plummet they will have to do something.
They must already be aware. The software is very similar across the board.

I think there must be someone sort of more good than harm argument.

Until a line of school children are mown down because the car got spooked by a white line nothing will change.

I sometimes wonder if a 90 year old lady was driving and it jerked the wheel like it does she might not have the strength to overcome it like a fit and healthy person can.

FMOB

1,007 posts

13 months

Saturday 23rd March
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ChocolateFrog said:
FMOB said:
If people haven't these issues should be reported to DVSA, not to try and get a resolution but as evidence there are problems with these systems.

Only other option is to stop buying cars with these systems, when manufacturers see sales plummet they will have to do something.
They must already be aware. The software is very similar across the board.

I think there must be someone sort of more good than harm argument.

Until a line of school children are mown down because the car got spooked by a white line nothing will change.

I sometimes wonder if a 90 year old lady was driving and it jerked the wheel like it does she might not have the strength to overcome it like a fit and healthy person can.
And exactly why these incidents/defects should be reported, if no one says anything how will anything change?