Tesla test drive. Thoughts

Tesla test drive. Thoughts

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skilly1

2,704 posts

196 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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Vasco said:
What strange comments.

I don't want one as it doesn't meet my needs, that was all I set out to say.

They must recharge incredibly quickly if it can all be done while I drink a coffee (10-15 mins).
Yes it can be very quick. I’ve had a charging speed of 1000miles per hour - however that does drop off as the battery gets fuller. Here’s a pic at 869miles per hour.

Whistle

1,422 posts

134 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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I did a 500 mile round trip to London last week in my M3 LR.

Had to make a 20 minute stop each way to charge, but after 3 hours driving I was more than ready for a coffee and the toilet. No issues at all 12k miles in 10 months.
It took a bit of getting used to but I like it more then the BMW 530e that it replaced.

How do you keep the white seats clean? I have just been using a damp cloth an then furniture polish with a duster.

Fastlane

1,183 posts

218 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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I loved my M3P and averaged 3.2miles/kwh over 36k miles and 3 years. I did a lot of journeys over 500 miles and it was effortless.

Just bought a M3 LR to replace it and although not as nice to look at and not quite as fast, it is better built and has lots of incremental improvements, including the heat pump. It is averaging 3.7 miles/kwh over 1,700miles so far, but once the weather warms up I am expecting over 4.

IMHO the Model 3 is still the best all round EV in terms of price, performance, efficiency, technology and charging.

Minsky

334 posts

26 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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Sheepshanks said:
That’d be great if it was generally possible!
It is - do it all the time.

Just turned up at the spa hotel. Plugged my car in (still 62% but still) and checked in.

Tomorrow morning I will have 240 miles (realistically) of range. Zero cost.

These EVs are just dreadful to live with.

biglaughbiggrin;)

Piginapoke

4,815 posts

186 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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Minsky said:
Sheepshanks said:
That’d be great if it was generally possible!
It is - do it all the time.

Just turned up at the spa hotel. Plugged my car in (still 62% but still) and checked in.

Tomorrow morning I will have 240 miles (realistically) of range. Zero cost.

These EVs are just dreadful to live with.

biglaughbiggrin;)
I know, it's an absolute nightmare biggrin

Register1

2,166 posts

95 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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Minsky said:
Glad you enjoyed it - you’re right. Drove an EV and it feels like the future. Everything else feels like a museum piece.

The model 3 is a fantastic car. Recommend you also try a polestar but in honesty you can’t go much wrong with either.
We tested the Tesla model Y, Polestar, the MG ZS EV, the Kia, Leaf, and to be honest, the Model 3 was head and shoulders better in every way.

I have a fully funded company van, replaced every 2 years, even with 19,000 miles total,
I will retire next year, and I am thinking of a Model 3 Long Range. (Wife has the Model 3 RWD)

Register1

2,166 posts

95 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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heisthegaffer said:
How many miles do people genuinely get per Kw in these please?
Every day is different, depends where she goes.
Normally to work and back, (50 miles) she will average 220 watts per mile,she is no speedster, always in chill.
so looking at 4 miles per 1 KwH.
On the Octopus intelligent, thats 10 pence per unit.
So 10 pence for 4 miles.

Cheap as chips to run.

Sheepshanks

32,964 posts

120 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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Minsky said:
Sheepshanks said:
That’d be great if it was generally possible!
It is - do it all the time.

Just turned up at the spa hotel. Plugged my car in (still 62% but still) and checked in.

Tomorrow morning I will have 240 miles (realistically) of range. Zero cost.

These EVs are just dreadful to live with.

biglaughbiggrin;)
Not sure how that's relevant to "stopping for a coffee"?


Minsky

334 posts

26 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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Sheepshanks said:
Not sure how that's relevant to "stopping for a coffee"?
Next Next Saturday is a 260 mile journey. I will be using Peterborough services. Plug in, coffee and loo = 20-25 mins. Will come back to a car with 85% fill.

It really is very quick and not an issue.

DodgyGeezer

40,682 posts

191 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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Minsky said:
Sheepshanks said:
Not sure how that's relevant to "stopping for a coffee"?
Next Next Saturday is a 260 mile journey. I will be using Peterborough services. Plug in, coffee and loo = 20-25 mins. Will come back to a car with 85% fill.

It really is very quick and not an issue.
depends on how many people want to have a coffee at the same time

silent ninja

863 posts

101 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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Minsky said:
It is - do it all the time.

Just turned up at the spa hotel. Plugged my car in (still 62% but still) and checked in.

Tomorrow morning I will have 240 miles (realistically) of range. Zero cost.

These EVs are just dreadful to live with.

biglaughbiggrin;)
That's the ideal scenario though. If you're travelling down a motorway with service stations 30 or 50 miles apart, and each one has 2-3 EV charging points at best, anxiety is simply higher. 1) the chargers could be broken when you arrive 2) they could be occupied - say 2 cars in front of you, that's an hour wait at least. What was going to be a 30 minute break to grab a coffe and have a toilet break, is now 2+ hours.

Our local Premier Inn supposedly offers EV charging. The one charger it has has been out of order for over a week. The probability of a destination charger not working and you being in a foreign place at midnight trying to find a charger because you have a meeting/event planned/plane to catch first thing tomorrow morning is very real.

EVs objectively are far behind on convenience and simplicity. They are inconvenient and overly complex right now - you could be in a dark remote place and the charger won't work because you don't have the correct app. And you can't download the correct app because there's no signal. Your range keeps dropping because you need the heater. There are many more aspects that are too complicated - like EV tariffs, learning what types of chargers you can buy for your home, preheating a battery(?), battery sizes and kilowatt hours (these will come with time and education I'm sure), the difference between cold weather and warm weather range, the gradient of your journey and wind speeds! (Note Google maps now takes this into account to give you an EV friendly route). The list goes on. These aren't things we care about or need to know for ICE, but EVs require you to understand these compromises and risks so you can manage them. Hence why I say they're inconvenient.

Things will improve. But let's not pretend they are ready for full mainstream adoption. They aren't and won't be for years. Public and private infrastructure, usability and affordability are real issues.


Edited by silent ninja on Sunday 5th February 19:35

Discombobulate

4,868 posts

187 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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Register1 said:
Every day is different, depends where she goes.
Normally to work and back, (50 miles) she will average 220 watts per mile,she is no speedster, always in chill.
so looking at 4 miles per 1 KwH.
On the Octopus intelligent, thats 10 pence per unit.
So 10 pence for 4 miles.

Cheap as chips to run.
The real cost is actually more than 10p kWh thanks to the higher price you have to pay during the day to offset the night rate. I am on OI 10p/42p but heavyish daytime user so average 30p. Few people get below 23p kWh average looking at other threads. Mind you 23p for 10 miles is still cheap.

FeelingLucky

1,086 posts

165 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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Discombobulate said:
Register1 said:
Every day is different, depends where she goes.
Normally to work and back, (50 miles) she will average 220 watts per mile,she is no speedster, always in chill.
so looking at 4 miles per 1 KwH.
On the Octopus intelligent, thats 10 pence per unit.
So 10 pence for 4 miles.

Cheap as chips to run.
The real cost is actually more than 10p kWh thanks to the higher price you have to pay during the day to offset the night rate. I am on OI 10p/42p but heavyish daytime user so average 30p. Few people get below 23p kWh average looking at other threads. Mind you 23p for 10 miles is still cheap.
A lot of the EV owners I know also rock a PV array and a house battery, as do I. From November to mid-March, the battery will fully charge to 100% on the overnight tariff, making the cheap rate the ONLY rate you use.

sixor8

6,317 posts

269 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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Discombobulate said:
The real cost is actually more than 10p kWh thanks to the higher price you have to pay during the day to offset the night rate. I am on OI 10p/42p but heavyish daytime user so average 30p. Few people get below 23p kWh average looking at other threads. Mind you 23p for 10 miles is still cheap.
That's 23p for 4 miles. That car averages 4 miles per kWh. STILL cheap. When diesel was 'relatively' cheap and I had a 1.3 Multijet Panda, I could just about manage 10p per mile in fuel costs. As a private buyer though, it'd be the depreciation for me these days, not the running costs!

Sheepshanks

32,964 posts

120 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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Minsky said:
Sheepshanks said:
Not sure how that's relevant to "stopping for a coffee"?
Next Next Saturday is a 260 mile journey. I will be using Peterborough services. Plug in, coffee and loo = 20-25 mins. Will come back to a car with 85% fill.

It really is very quick and not an issue.
Appreciate it's always possible to create corner cases, and I do think EVs would be perfect for my wife, and both my kids (although one of them would mean to put her car on charge later but would be too busy then forget so would constantly be stuck) none of whom generally go more than 30 miles from home. We've just had our house refurbed and I had the wiring put in for a charger.

In my use case, I'm regularly driving NW to SE. Leave early morning and don't stop on the way. Stay overnight and drive home next day. Around 360 miles round trip, takes about 3hrs each way.

I've taken to asking if the hotels I'm staying at have charging. Of the last three, only one had a charger, it was out of order and I got the impression it had been that way for a while.

So for to go EV I'd have to stop and charge. I wouldn't mind that if there was the same certainty about it as when stopping for diesel.

SWoll

18,608 posts

259 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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As per the latest CarWow video the Model 3 LR managed 290 miles, at motorway speeds, in winter temperatures.

You'd need to add < 100 miles of charge at any number of supercharger locations on your way home, taking about 10 minutes, in order to complete your journey.

OutInTheShed

7,900 posts

27 months

Sunday 5th February 2023
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SWoll said:
As per the latest CarWow video the Model 3 LR managed 290 miles, at motorway speeds, in winter temperatures.

You'd need to add < 100 miles of charge at any number of supercharger locations on your way home, taking about 10 minutes, in order to complete your journey.
Except it's normally half an hour minimum wasted when you detour from your route.

JAMSXR

1,511 posts

48 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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I’ve been out in a M3 and Y a few times now. Although the staff are not pushy at all, and the test drive experience was extremely positive, they continuously emailed and rang me for the following few weeks. It was just before the price cut so no doubt they were very motivated to move some units.

As a cash buyer I just can’t live with the current price of EVs. I do love the spaciness of the MY, but for that price it really feels quite budget inside.

The initial plan was to replace my car with an EV, but I’ve become all ICE nostalgic, realised I want to do track days and Sunday morning blasts - the new Civic Type R arrives next month.

We’ll replace the family car with an EV in due course. As more and more salary sacrifice cars are being returned used prices are starting to fall quite significantly. A year ago there were a few dozen M3s on Auto Trader with prices starting at circa £40k, now there are circa 1k cars starting in the mid £20s.

From my perspective EVs make good utility vehicles for a large numbers of us, but if you want to have fun in a car, they’re quite a long way off that. I predict that mechanical ICE sports cars will remain sought after for years to come.


Edited by JAMSXR on Monday 6th February 06:02

CheesecakeRunner

3,899 posts

92 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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Register1 said:
We tested the Tesla model Y, Polestar, the MG ZS EV, the Kia, Leaf, and to be honest, the Model 3 was head and shoulders better in every way.
Interesting. I’ve had a Model 3 for three years and test drove a Polestar 2 the other day. I thought the Polestar was a much better car. Quieter, more comfortable, same technology albeit with auto windscreen wipers, auto headlights and adaptive cruise that actually worked. No rattles, proper 360 cameras. Range of the refresh model will be on-par or better than the Model 3.

The only advantage I could see my Tesla having was a touch more room in the cabin, and the superchargers, and the latter is going away. So I’ll be buying a Polestar next.

I think the Model 3 is a superb EV. It’s just not a very good car.

LHRFlightman

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1,941 posts

171 months

Monday 6th February 2023
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Sheepshanks said:
Minsky said:
Sheepshanks said:
Not sure how that's relevant to "stopping for a coffee"?
Next Next Saturday is a 260 mile journey. I will be using Peterborough services. Plug in, coffee and loo = 20-25 mins. Will come back to a car with 85% fill.

It really is very quick and not an issue.
Appreciate it's always possible to create corner cases, and I do think EVs would be perfect for my wife, and both my kids (although one of them would mean to put her car on charge later but would be too busy then forget so would constantly be stuck) none of whom generally go more than 30 miles from home. We've just had our house refurbed and I had the wiring put in for a charger.

In my use case, I'm regularly driving NW to SE. Leave early morning and don't stop on the way. Stay overnight and drive home next day. Around 360 miles round trip, takes about 3hrs each way.

I've taken to asking if the hotels I'm staying at have charging. Of the last three, only one had a charger, it was out of order and I got the impression it had been that way for a while.

So for to go EV I'd have to stop and charge. I wouldn't mind that if there was the same certainty about it as when stopping for diesel.
You're regularly driving 300 miles in 3 hours. You're averaging 100 miles an hour on public roads in the UK?