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DeuceDeuce said:
finmac said:
danjp said:
10k deposit required!
That’s GT car deposit levels - they must be scared early depositors back out once they come to their senses and/or read the actual road tests 
The Porsche will be better though thats what they do.
I must admit I'm pretty drawn to it but only really because it means the Mrs can have her car through our business which she doesn't now. She likes her cars so to date nothing electric has been for her. We have an order in for a base Cayenne which is very similar money but I think the Cayenne is still going to be the better bet with depreciation factored in. The Macan EV could do decent residual values though. The Taycan is just a business user car where the Macan is the first true mass market Porsche EV. At 60k 2 years old surely everyone will want one? I don't for a moment see the Macan being a total disaster on that front but I still think the Cayenne for us will cost less even with tax incentives. Possibly a close call though.
I must admit I'm pretty drawn to it but only really because it means the Mrs can have her car through our business which she doesn't now. She likes her cars so to date nothing electric has been for her. We have an order in for a base Cayenne which is very similar money but I think the Cayenne is still going to be the better bet with depreciation factored in. The Macan EV could do decent residual values though. The Taycan is just a business user car where the Macan is the first true mass market Porsche EV. At 60k 2 years old surely everyone will want one? I don't for a moment see the Macan being a total disaster on that front but I still think the Cayenne for us will cost less even with tax incentives. Possibly a close call though.
fridaypassion said:
The Porsche will be better though thats what they do.
I must admit I'm pretty drawn to it but only really because it means the Mrs can have her car through our business which she doesn't now. She likes her cars so to date nothing electric has been for her. We have an order in for a base Cayenne which is very similar money but I think the Cayenne is still going to be the better bet with depreciation factored in. The Macan EV could do decent residual values though. The Taycan is just a business user car where the Macan is the first true mass market Porsche EV. At 60k 2 years old surely everyone will want one? I don't for a moment see the Macan being a total disaster on that front but I still think the Cayenne for us will cost less even with tax incentives. Possibly a close call though.
That's the main reason why I have my Taycan and we were getting an EV Macan. The BIK is stupid, how does less than £60 or so per month + free charging sound? I'll have some of that thank you Sir.I must admit I'm pretty drawn to it but only really because it means the Mrs can have her car through our business which she doesn't now. She likes her cars so to date nothing electric has been for her. We have an order in for a base Cayenne which is very similar money but I think the Cayenne is still going to be the better bet with depreciation factored in. The Macan EV could do decent residual values though. The Taycan is just a business user car where the Macan is the first true mass market Porsche EV. At 60k 2 years old surely everyone will want one? I don't for a moment see the Macan being a total disaster on that front but I still think the Cayenne for us will cost less even with tax incentives. Possibly a close call though.
However Mrs. HoHoHo has a Cayenne S currently and when push came to shove we agreed we didn't want to have 2 EVs in the family.
Mrs. HoHoHo is now eyeing up the Mini Countryman which I'm trying to talk her out of but I fear it may fall on deaf ears.........
As I see it, the Taycan suffered a fairly unique depreciation mix of
1. The market being flooded with ex-lease cars coming onto the market recently
2. People trying the EV concept and not getting on with it so returning the car
3. The factor that Porsche buyers will often change cars fairly quickly.
4. People paying over-odds during Covid boom.
Point 2 shouldn't be so much of a factor now and Point 4 is definitely a thing of the past but it'll be interesting to see how Porsche handle point 1 especially.
Muzzer79 said:
As I see it, the Taycan suffered a fairly unique depreciation mix of
1. The market being flooded with ex-lease cars coming onto the market recently
2. People trying the EV concept and not getting on with it so returning the car
3. The factor that Porsche buyers will often change cars fairly quickly.
4. People paying over-odds during Covid boom.
Point 2 shouldn't be so much of a factor now and Point 4 is definitely a thing of the past but it'll be interesting to see how Porsche handle point 1 especially.
I think we will see discounting and or subsidised finance on these after the first initial orders have rolled out. 1. The market being flooded with ex-lease cars coming onto the market recently
2. People trying the EV concept and not getting on with it so returning the car
3. The factor that Porsche buyers will often change cars fairly quickly.
4. People paying over-odds during Covid boom.
Point 2 shouldn't be so much of a factor now and Point 4 is definitely a thing of the past but it'll be interesting to see how Porsche handle point 1 especially.
22% of all cars Porsche sell this year have to be EV, if not they get fined £15,000 for every car they sell in the year.
They only hit 11.5% last year and we ended up with hundreds of EVs sat pre registered, most of which are still sat there.
This Macan I'm sure will help them sell more than the Taycan did, but I bet we see a £59k RWD car launch at some point to help them hit these ZEV mandate targets. And, it might turn out to be the best Macan in the range for driving enjoyment.
I think we are going to see the generation of super deals as we get to each year end when it comes to EVs over the next few years. Or maybe they hit targets easily and prices firm up?
But if big discounts and finance contributions happen it will effect residuals.
And remember, many of these will have claimed back the VAT and written off the costs as company cars, this is what really screws EVs residuals, a private buyer is paying 20% more for a Macan 4 than a company is and that is before you even consider the write downs on it.
While there are such huge tax breaks on EVs, private buyers will be screwed on residuals.
These tax breaks are arguably doing more to kill the EV market than anything.
Buyers are just seeing the huge losses buying an EV without thinking why those losses are occurring.
DMC2 said:
I just started speccing one. Got to £80k almost immediately on a base model, laughed and closed the configurator.
More or less same experience for me! Just cant get my head around it given were early on the tech maturity curve. Will keep my BMW X1 | 991.1 pairing for now. Might look at this https://www.zeekr.eu/ when it hits the UK.My spec on a Macan 4 is just under £80k.
Air suspension, Bose, black with black rails and the chalk interior and open grain dark wood, the RS style 21" wheels, PDLS and one or two other little options.
It is the residuals though that make it painful, when company cars and lease cars start to hit the market after 2 or 3 years the prices will slump.
Stick with a Cayenne for now and grab one of these in 2 or 3 years when they hit £49k or if they offered a RWD version for £65k all in buy as a company car, obviously the government will have a proper scheme in place for the 44% of the country who don't currently have access to EV charging, as they are now fining car makers who don't sell enough EVs to reach their targets.
I do like the new Macan in black, not sure about other colours.
That Zeeker 001 looks nice, never heard of it before.
Air suspension, Bose, black with black rails and the chalk interior and open grain dark wood, the RS style 21" wheels, PDLS and one or two other little options.
It is the residuals though that make it painful, when company cars and lease cars start to hit the market after 2 or 3 years the prices will slump.
Stick with a Cayenne for now and grab one of these in 2 or 3 years when they hit £49k or if they offered a RWD version for £65k all in buy as a company car, obviously the government will have a proper scheme in place for the 44% of the country who don't currently have access to EV charging, as they are now fining car makers who don't sell enough EVs to reach their targets.
I do like the new Macan in black, not sure about other colours.
That Zeeker 001 looks nice, never heard of it before.
The Zeekr looks well but it has gotten typically meh type of reviews that tend to go with EVs. A bit soft. Designed in Gothenburg by some Geely Polestar/Volvo off-shoot.
By the time the Macan is 2-3 years old there will be loads of these alternatives out with some new must have range or gizmo.
By the time the Macan is 2-3 years old there will be loads of these alternatives out with some new must have range or gizmo.
Muzzer79 said:
As I see it, the Taycan suffered a fairly unique depreciation mix of
1. The market being flooded with ex-lease cars coming onto the market recently
2. People trying the EV concept and not getting on with it so returning the car
3. The factor that Porsche buyers will often change cars fairly quickly.
4. People paying over-odds during Covid boom.
Point 2 shouldn't be so much of a factor now and Point 4 is definitely a thing of the past but it'll be interesting to see how Porsche handle point 1 especially.
5. It's not very well packaged for such a big car, especially the saloon1. The market being flooded with ex-lease cars coming onto the market recently
2. People trying the EV concept and not getting on with it so returning the car
3. The factor that Porsche buyers will often change cars fairly quickly.
4. People paying over-odds during Covid boom.
Point 2 shouldn't be so much of a factor now and Point 4 is definitely a thing of the past but it'll be interesting to see how Porsche handle point 1 especially.
6. Reliability has been a huge issue
7. Because a lot go buyers have huge tax incentives they're less worried about the residuals....cars don't owe them as much.
8. Range is poor despite having a big battery...so not only do you need to charge it frequently it also needs high powered chargers when "on the go"
Cheib said:
Muzzer79 said:
As I see it, the Taycan suffered a fairly unique depreciation mix of
1. The market being flooded with ex-lease cars coming onto the market recently
2. People trying the EV concept and not getting on with it so returning the car
3. The factor that Porsche buyers will often change cars fairly quickly.
4. People paying over-odds during Covid boom.
Point 2 shouldn't be so much of a factor now and Point 4 is definitely a thing of the past but it'll be interesting to see how Porsche handle point 1 especially.
5. It's not very well packaged for such a big car, especially the saloon1. The market being flooded with ex-lease cars coming onto the market recently
2. People trying the EV concept and not getting on with it so returning the car
3. The factor that Porsche buyers will often change cars fairly quickly.
4. People paying over-odds during Covid boom.
Point 2 shouldn't be so much of a factor now and Point 4 is definitely a thing of the past but it'll be interesting to see how Porsche handle point 1 especially.
6. Reliability has been a huge issue
7. Because a lot go buyers have huge tax incentives they're less worried about the residuals....cars don't owe them as much.
8. Range is poor despite having a big battery...so not only do you need to charge it frequently it also needs high powered chargers when "on the go"
I had an e-tron GT (same car, different dress) and was getting 250 miles on a full charge regularly.
That's not brilliant, but it's not poor.
Speaking of the e-tron GT, it may be worth adding that as number 9. In my opinion it looks better, is cheaper, doesn't have an option list as long as your arm and the lead time was significantly shorter.
I know it's not a Porsche, but maybe Porsche are having their original-Jaguar X-Type/Ford Mondeo moment......
Cheib said:
8. Range is poor despite having a big battery...so not only do you need to charge it frequently it also needs high powered chargers when "on the go"
If you spec 21's you lose 5-10% of range immediately over having the 20's, so spec 20's for max range.Spec the 150 DC-DC charger (c£350) and that solves part of the 'waiting' problem. This option increases the max rate to 150kW versus the standard 50kW, when you charge on 400V limited rapid chargers.
fridaypassion said:
Dont they only have 4 seats as well?
Nope, you spec the 4+1 option to give the middle rear seat.Gassing Station | Porsche EVs | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff