RE: INEOS Grenadier officially unveiled
Discussion
Ineos have been getting early applicants a brief drive on private land. I went to an estate near Milton Keynes for a supervised drive around a prepared trail, (imagine a slightly less manicured Land Rover Experience circuit).
It has not put me off. Yes, there is quite a lot of electronics in it, it is a modern car with emission controls after all, but it can be maintained on the ground without a lift, (although one will make some tasks easier). Electronic parts book and maintenance manual are due to be released as soon as parts sign-off is completed.
My likely delivery date is slipping; my local dealer, Chandlers of Belton, says my build date is now December 2023, so I guess I won't have it before the New Year[
It has not put me off. Yes, there is quite a lot of electronics in it, it is a modern car with emission controls after all, but it can be maintained on the ground without a lift, (although one will make some tasks easier). Electronic parts book and maintenance manual are due to be released as soon as parts sign-off is completed.
My likely delivery date is slipping; my local dealer, Chandlers of Belton, says my build date is now December 2023, so I guess I won't have it before the New Year[
Edited by jeremy996 on Monday 10th October 16:27
Edited by jeremy996 on Monday 10th October 16:28
freakybacon said:
Not quite making money yet, but this is what you would expect from the Guardian...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/09/l...
Will be interesting to see how many units they have to shift to break even on this venture.https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/09/l...
They are definitely haemorrhaging millions into this once £25k but is now £50k car.
jeremy996 said:
Ineos have been getting early applicants a brief drive on private land. I went to an estate near Milton Keynes for a supervised drive around a prepared trail, (imagine a slightly less manicured Land Rover Experience circuit).
Click on the image. The Thumbsnap caption reads "an old truck is parked in a field". Not sure if these are AI generated but if so 
jagfan2 said:
Mikebentley said:
Thanks. It looks a nice colour. It looks strangely like an old 110 station wagon at that angle…you would have thought JLR might have sued.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/trucks/a33512240/land-rover-loses-defender-trademark-suit-to-ineos/freakybacon said:
Not quite making money yet, but this is what you would expect from the Guardian...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/09/l...
God I feel dirty reading the Guardian. How do they expect a company that doesn't yet sell anything to make any money. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/09/l...
The figures they talk about are significantly less than I would have guessed they'd burnt through in the last 5 years.
Edited by ChocolateFrog on Monday 10th October 15:22
A.J.M said:
freakybacon said:
Not quite making money yet, but this is what you would expect from the Guardian...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/09/l...
Will be interesting to see how many units they have to shift to break even on this venture.https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/09/l...
They are definitely haemorrhaging millions into this once £25k but is now £50k car.
MG are selling like not c
akes too. I still wish Ineos success and still believe there is a market for a reliable and traditional Defender .
I have been reprimanded on here for being simplistic on this issue but I think in this forum we should support four blokes in a posh pub nattering about building a car..... and doing it. Dreadful presentation on here because of stupid predictive text.
Edited by Lester H on Tuesday 11th October 10:26
camel_landy said:
Lester H said:
I have been reprimanded on here for being simplistic on this issue but I think in this forum we should support four blokes in a posh pub nattering about building a car..... and doing it.
^^^ Nailed it...M
Lester H said:
No need to take the Guardian too seriously. Also I don't think the price is bad: Just look what people are prepared to spend on old Defenders, despite their propensity to rust and their narrow interiors and bone shaker ride. Look too at the success of Twisted, Khan and Overfinch whether or not these appeal to you. I,m not sure that many buyers know where their car is made, indeed many don't know that their beloved Suzuki is Indian or that masses of parts in a brand perceived as posh come from China
MG are selling like not c
akes too. I still wish Ineos success and still believe there is a market for a reliable and traditional Defender .
I have been reprimanded on here for being simplistic on this issue but I think in this forum we should support four blokes in a posh pub nattering about building a car..... and doing it. Dreadful presentation on here because of stupid predictive text.
Agreed. As a toy, the price is fine. Such customers don't really car about the numbers all that much. It's more of an issue for the commercial market which is surely going to need to be the backbone of sales to build a viable business? For proper commercial use it's pretty expensive. MG are selling like not c
akes too. I still wish Ineos success and still believe there is a market for a reliable and traditional Defender .
I have been reprimanded on here for being simplistic on this issue but I think in this forum we should support four blokes in a posh pub nattering about building a car..... and doing it. Dreadful presentation on here because of stupid predictive text.
Edited by Lester H on Tuesday 11th October 10:26
As for the Guardian, we had pretty much assumed a £500m spend to date so everything seems on track in that regard. All the business needs is sufficient revenue to finance the debt from the parent company.
RacerMike said:
camel_landy said:
Lester H said:
I have been reprimanded on here for being simplistic on this issue but I think in this forum we should support four blokes in a posh pub nattering about building a car..... and doing it.
^^^ Nailed it...M
camel_landy said:
Lester H said:
I have been reprimanded on here for being simplistic on this issue but I think in this forum we should support four blokes in a posh pub nattering about building a car..... and doing it.
^^^ Nailed it...M
In short, it's what used to be considered a pub in London. This one happens to be of the news variety in an expensive corner of town and has a security guard at the top of the lane, like at Wormwood Scrubs and for the same reason.
DonkeyApple said:
camel_landy said:
Lester H said:
I have been reprimanded on here for being simplistic on this issue but I think in this forum we should support four blokes in a posh pub nattering about building a car..... and doing it.
^^^ Nailed it...M
Lotobear said:
Joscal said:
I hope it’s a success too, really cannot understand the bashing they get.
...it's because Jim Ratcliffe was in support of BrexitAs for the vehicle itself, it's a woefully ill conceived idea with absolutely no target market, no appropriate price point, no design direction, no engineering consideration and no awareness of what it takes to make a vehicle commercially successful. It's just a basket case of bad ideas and too much money.
It's a plus sized dacia duster with double the price tag, and half the intelligence.
Edited by Andeh1 on Tuesday 11th October 20:24
DonkeyApple said:
Apart from the posh pub bit. The Grenadier, while no whetherspoons, isn't exactly a gastro pub!! It's a tiny, old gaff with mildly ropey beer that has a handful of old blokes wedge inside with the occasional Chinese tourist walking in. Nice flower baskets though.
In short, it's what used to be considered a pub in London. This one happens to be of the news variety in an expensive corner of town and has a security guard at the top of the lane, like at Wormwood Scrubs and for the same reason.
I believe the the Grenadier pub is Mr Ratcliffe's newest acquisition. In short, it's what used to be considered a pub in London. This one happens to be of the news variety in an expensive corner of town and has a security guard at the top of the lane, like at Wormwood Scrubs and for the same reason.
deuchars said:
I believe the the Grenadier pub is Mr Ratcliffe's newest acquisition.
Which is probably good news as it'll never turn a decent profit so needs to be owned by someone who doesn't car and will keep it as is. Far too many old boomers have been bought by debt monkeys who then have to change them to try and meet their debt payments. Plus, the mews owners opposite will be kept in their boxes simply by the fact that the pub landlord could buy them and s
t them out for breakfast. Instead of complaining every second of the day they'll instead proudly tell everyone that their local (for the three weeks of the year they drop by) is owned by the richest man in Britain. It's a good little boozer and like the other last remaining proper pubs in the centre of town, needs a suitable benefactor who doesn't need to raid the till to fill up a Range Rover he can't afford the monthlies on.
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