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Was spotted at Sunday service at 3:50 but the whole clips good to watch 
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=_8b5she6WoA&des...
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=_8b5she6WoA&des...
A short clip of the car leaving the recent grasshopper meet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA8Qc0dAkM4
Unfortunately this led to my wife being issued a section 59 ticket
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA8Qc0dAkM4
Unfortunately this led to my wife being issued a section 59 ticket
Max_Torque said:
And you wonder why no one has any respect for the police these days............ ;-(
( in the old days, you'd get a pull, they'd explain you were being a bit of a tit, you'd say "sorry officer" and be a bit more careful in future. These days they just come across as being very heavy handed and in-flexible)
Unfortunately this very much seems to be the case ( in the old days, you'd get a pull, they'd explain you were being a bit of a tit, you'd say "sorry officer" and be a bit more careful in future. These days they just come across as being very heavy handed and in-flexible)
The_Burg said:
100k an issue on that Volvo engine? Been a few years so suspect it might be a bit more. Had a T5 on 270k went like stink and not a rattle to be heard. Must be one of the most reliable engines ever, despite even in stock calling on 240hp,
No Volvo engine here!!The mk1 Rs has a turbocharged Zetec
The_Burg said:
Genuine never knew that, much better and lighter car but always thought they had the Volvo 5 pot.
No worries its all a learning curve mk2 Rs has the Volvo derived 5 cylinder the mk1 has the turbocharged Zetec bit both engines are badged duratec rs 
Pretty sure the 5 pot would be to long to fit in a mk1 though!
Max_Torque said:
Mk1 RS tipped by EVO in the latest edition as being a future classic to 'invest' in! I think they are right and that prices (of good, unmolested ones) suggest they are currently undervalued. One for the long term then!
To be fair they are a 10 year old ford & even sheds will fetch 5k easy so they are already doing pretty well!Just starting to see a fair few with rusty bits now as well as even minor knocks writing them off so they are getting rarer every day.
Clayton the rsoc registar has a brand new unregistered one though
Glad you came on hear though max was having a conversation with some re the Rs engine & you may be able to give us some insight from your background.
The engine seems massively over engineered for the spec it was released in & now the ecu can be properly mapped 400bhp is being achieved without taking the head off & my own engine is a fair bit north of 300bhp & at 104k has never been apart (touches wood) nor does it use any oil which is pretty impressive stuff!!
Was it built to be tuned or was there another purpose to the strength of it?
The engine seems massively over engineered for the spec it was released in & now the ecu can be properly mapped 400bhp is being achieved without taking the head off & my own engine is a fair bit north of 300bhp & at 104k has never been apart (touches wood
) nor does it use any oil which is pretty impressive stuff!!Was it built to be tuned or was there another purpose to the strength of it?
AER said:
There is no way the engine is capable of a credible 400hp without serious rework and wild cams.
The engine that we prepped with Dave Mountain for the VLN series was doing about 265bhp (from memory) and that was with the old sausage manifold and a low cell density race cat. I think it was a standard head at that stage too. This was a fully optimized calibration too, with the trusty RCON doing all the work.
It was a pretty exciting drive compared to the standard car. I got a couple of laps at Lommel when we were setting the car up. I think I even have a .wav file of a drive by somewhere. It was in the days before ubiquitous digital camera technology, sadly...
They are running into the 400's now the highest ive seen is 430bhp with 380lb of torque at 28psi boost this engine hasnt been apart to achieve this & while many are expecting the engine to fail at this power its put up with it so far!!The engine that we prepped with Dave Mountain for the VLN series was doing about 265bhp (from memory) and that was with the old sausage manifold and a low cell density race cat. I think it was a standard head at that stage too. This was a fully optimized calibration too, with the trusty RCON doing all the work.
It was a pretty exciting drive compared to the standard car. I got a couple of laps at Lommel when we were setting the car up. I think I even have a .wav file of a drive by somewhere. It was in the days before ubiquitous digital camera technology, sadly...
They have also acieved 330bhp on the stock turbo & this is all with live mapping the standard ecu with other management the engine can be taken above 7k rpm (apparently there is an issue mapping ther stock ecu beyond this) & more power would be available.
there is a link
http://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/rsocbb/showthread.ph...
The car im referring to is 2nd on the list the top one has had a rebuild with better pistons & rods & cams but is still on the Ford ecu
nevsrevs said:
yea its pretty good going, loads of torque, dont want to go any more on the wet sump, what power are you making now?
To be truthful I don't know last time the car was on the rollers was a few years back it made 307bhp at 1.2 bar with the stock exhaust so I would hope 320bhp+ it can still outdrag a v8 m3 so is pretty healthy 
These engine certainly seem to like a big turbo!
shame the dry sumps are still big bucks would like to strap a gtx30 on our motor.
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Gtx35 has been done the wet sump has proved reliable to @ 7.5k above that the stock oil pump can't really cope although with the billet gear upgrade 8.5k has been done but the billet stuff has a reality my short life so becomes a service item
There is a conversion that retains the wet sump with a dry sump type pump which allows big revs not sure on cost though
AER said:
If you've not changed the cams or head and are only running 1.3 bar boost, then you'll be lucky to be breaking a real 300hp.
If you say not, then pray tell me how the engine manages to pump so much more air than standard? From memory the standard car is not too shy of 1 bar at peak power. 1.3/0.9*212 = 306, so that's the best you can expect. Reality would be a lot lower.
I think your dyno is telling porkies...
While you struggle to believe the figures they are consistant with others i have seen, it seems the exhaust system & turbo are actually very restrictive as well as the stock map being very rich (which max has already given an explaination for) so lots more power is available from increasing the airflow with exhaust mods.If you say not, then pray tell me how the engine manages to pump so much more air than standard? From memory the standard car is not too shy of 1 bar at peak power. 1.3/0.9*212 = 306, so that's the best you can expect. Reality would be a lot lower.
I think your dyno is telling porkies...
An example of this was when i went to an aftermarket tubalur manifold i lost 5psi boost due to a faulty actuator but gained 22bhp on the same dyno.
AER said:
I'm afraid it's not true just because it's printed on a piece of paper. I've spent enough time in my life measuring engine power (amongst other things) to know that, even on an engine dyno, it's not a walk in the park to get even a repeatable result with the same engine!
I don't care if you know who I am or not either. I just asked you to tell me how you were going to get 100% more air through the engine at only 1.3Bar boost when the standard engine is already running at least 0.9Bar. Of course you might be able to do this, but not with standard cams, valves, ports etc.
Even with 100% more air, you're telling me the heat rejection to the cylinder head is going to be under control, or that your turbine inlet temperature is going to be cool enough to make it last more than three minutes?
And yes, even the standard engine makes more than 212hp - when it's running cooler than the standard test conditions. That's the thing with boosted engines - if you're going to compare apples to apples, you have to at least keep the test conditions consistent. If you just want to see big numbers, don't even bother testing. Just print them on a piece of paper and save yourself the fuel and grief!
Well regardless of how accurate the dynos are having been in one with allegdly 400bhp i can confirm that it was a seriously quick car but very tractable, obviously wheel spin can be an issue but then it is on a bone stock m5 (whatever model) so where the power goes isnt really of any relevance.I don't care if you know who I am or not either. I just asked you to tell me how you were going to get 100% more air through the engine at only 1.3Bar boost when the standard engine is already running at least 0.9Bar. Of course you might be able to do this, but not with standard cams, valves, ports etc.
Even with 100% more air, you're telling me the heat rejection to the cylinder head is going to be under control, or that your turbine inlet temperature is going to be cool enough to make it last more than three minutes?
And yes, even the standard engine makes more than 212hp - when it's running cooler than the standard test conditions. That's the thing with boosted engines - if you're going to compare apples to apples, you have to at least keep the test conditions consistent. If you just want to see big numbers, don't even bother testing. Just print them on a piece of paper and save yourself the fuel and grief!
Been a while since i've posted on here so a quick update
Cars not been used much due to a new business venture but i still really enjoy driving it when i get the chance, the coil pack called it a day recently on exactly 105k
it was the original part though so no shame for it at all 
Hoping that once the business is up & running i will have a bit of extra money to do some bits & bobs on the car.
Cars not been used much due to a new business venture but i still really enjoy driving it when i get the chance, the coil pack called it a day recently on exactly 105k
it was the original part though so no shame for it at all Hoping that once the business is up & running i will have a bit of extra money to do some bits & bobs on the car.
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