Effect of a 38mm restrictor on an LS7
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I sold the LS7 and, unfortunately, the price of new ones has gone up by £2000.
I've been looking at the viability of buying a base spec LS3 for £6k less and fitting a cam that is more suited to running with the restrictor.
I've been recommended this spec by Cam Motion
Duration at .050": 216/224
116 Lobe Center Angle with a 113 Intake Centerline
Lift with 1.7 Rocker Arm Ratio: .595"/.587.
Double spring kit with titanium retainers.
Severe duty timing chain using stock gears
Google tells me standard is 204/211 .551/.525 117
The other issues I have are sump clearance, a standard sump will foul my propshaft and the risk of oil starvation
I'm thinking of importing this sump which is shallow enough, has baffles and trapdoors.
They also do a bolt on adapter so that I could easily fit an Accusump. I don't want to fit a dry sump, I have no space for an external pump and the belts are vulnerable with off road racing.
Then I'm thinking have it mapped on a rolling road.
Does this all sound like a reasonable way forward?
I sold the LS7 and, unfortunately, the price of new ones has gone up by £2000.
I've been looking at the viability of buying a base spec LS3 for £6k less and fitting a cam that is more suited to running with the restrictor.
I've been recommended this spec by Cam Motion
Duration at .050": 216/224
116 Lobe Center Angle with a 113 Intake Centerline
Lift with 1.7 Rocker Arm Ratio: .595"/.587.
Double spring kit with titanium retainers.
Severe duty timing chain using stock gears
Google tells me standard is 204/211 .551/.525 117
The other issues I have are sump clearance, a standard sump will foul my propshaft and the risk of oil starvation
I'm thinking of importing this sump which is shallow enough, has baffles and trapdoors.
They also do a bolt on adapter so that I could easily fit an Accusump. I don't want to fit a dry sump, I have no space for an external pump and the belts are vulnerable with off road racing.
Then I'm thinking have it mapped on a rolling road.
Does this all sound like a reasonable way forward?
Partsworld Performance list the spec as:
Engine type: LS-Series Gen IV Small-Block V-8
Displacement (cu in): 376 cu in (6.2L)
Bore x stroke (in): 4.060 x 3.620 (103.25 x 92mm)
Block: Cast-aluminum with 6-bolt, cross-bolted main caps
Crankshaft: Nodular iron
Connecting rods: Powdered metal
Pistons: Hypereutectic aluminum
Camshaft type: Hydraulic roller
Valve lift (in): .551" intake / .522" exhaust
Camshaft Duration (@.050 in): 204° intake / 211° exhaust
Cylinder Heads: Aluminum L92-style port; as cast with 68cc chambers
Valve size (in): 2.165 intake / 1.590 exhaust
Compression ratio: 10.7:1
Rocker armsn: Investment-cast, roller trunnion
Rocker arms: Investment-cast, roller trunnion
Rocker arm ratio: 1.7:1
Recommended fuel: 92 octane
Maximum recommended rpm: 6,600
Reluctor wheel: 58X
Balanced: Internal
Note the cam spec is different to that posted above.
Engine type: LS-Series Gen IV Small-Block V-8
Displacement (cu in): 376 cu in (6.2L)
Bore x stroke (in): 4.060 x 3.620 (103.25 x 92mm)
Block: Cast-aluminum with 6-bolt, cross-bolted main caps
Crankshaft: Nodular iron
Connecting rods: Powdered metal
Pistons: Hypereutectic aluminum
Camshaft type: Hydraulic roller
Valve lift (in): .551" intake / .522" exhaust
Camshaft Duration (@.050 in): 204° intake / 211° exhaust
Cylinder Heads: Aluminum L92-style port; as cast with 68cc chambers
Valve size (in): 2.165 intake / 1.590 exhaust
Compression ratio: 10.7:1
Rocker armsn: Investment-cast, roller trunnion
Rocker arms: Investment-cast, roller trunnion
Rocker arm ratio: 1.7:1
Recommended fuel: 92 octane
Maximum recommended rpm: 6,600
Reluctor wheel: 58X
Balanced: Internal
Note the cam spec is different to that posted above.
Is the Vette sump not regarded as one of the best and lowest profile ? I thought the LS2 shallow was one of the worst ?
http://www.improvedracing.com/baffled-oil-pans/baf...
As for changing cams and springs etc....why not just try the engine as is from the factory first and then see how things go ? They will all be very much endurance tested, so you could thrash it all day long and be confident with reliability.
Although yes no doubt, a cam upgrade is bound to help performance, especially with sucking through a little restrictor as long as you can get somewhere up to the job of retuning the factory ecu ok to suit this.
http://www.improvedracing.com/baffled-oil-pans/baf...
As for changing cams and springs etc....why not just try the engine as is from the factory first and then see how things go ? They will all be very much endurance tested, so you could thrash it all day long and be confident with reliability.
Although yes no doubt, a cam upgrade is bound to help performance, especially with sucking through a little restrictor as long as you can get somewhere up to the job of retuning the factory ecu ok to suit this.
Thanks, I'll look at that sump. I'm struggling to find comprehensive measurements but I'll see if we're in the right ball park. As the car is spaceframed there are tubes in the area.
Thinking with replacing the cam etc. is that it's a lot easier with the engine out, access to the top end is tight once the engines in. Also I want to get as near to the LS7 performance as I can, I'm trying to race rather than just take part.
I prefer OEM reliability. From what I can see the different versions of LS3 offered by GM are achieved solely with a cam change, so it seems to make sense to fit a cam that works for my application, with the 42mm restrictor.
I assume the LS3 at 6.2 litres will rev slightly higher than 7 litre LS7 with same restrictor?
Thinking with replacing the cam etc. is that it's a lot easier with the engine out, access to the top end is tight once the engines in. Also I want to get as near to the LS7 performance as I can, I'm trying to race rather than just take part.
I prefer OEM reliability. From what I can see the different versions of LS3 offered by GM are achieved solely with a cam change, so it seems to make sense to fit a cam that works for my application, with the 42mm restrictor.
I assume the LS3 at 6.2 litres will rev slightly higher than 7 litre LS7 with same restrictor?
Dimensions of pretty much every sump available are here. Long thread, but lots of info.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-hybrids/817...
if ground clearance is ok....What about some sort of custom wet sump, maybe just to one side of the propshaft ? That would allow you to build in capacity and probably make it fairly well baffled etc too ?
https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-hybrids/817...
if ground clearance is ok....What about some sort of custom wet sump, maybe just to one side of the propshaft ? That would allow you to build in capacity and probably make it fairly well baffled etc too ?
I had a couple of cast sumps welded by a friend years ago....they warped like fk !!
But others have welded them successfully too.
There are loads of sumps available though, whether steel, cast allow, fabricated alloy etc so there are plenty of bases to work from if you were to modify an existing unit.
The shallow ones may work, but depends the sort of angles or g's the vehicle may be pulling. As said before, the shallow LS2 sumps are deemed the worst of the lot.
I use a steel Autokraft that I needed to modify slightly, but bought the steel as at the time I had no means of alloy welding myself, so it made more sense.
You could maybe start with a shallow LS2, but then add a further sump to one side of the propshaft, along with suitable oil pickup mods ? That should add more oil capacity, but also encourage all the oil into a smaller more reliable pickup area for the pipe ?
But others have welded them successfully too.
There are loads of sumps available though, whether steel, cast allow, fabricated alloy etc so there are plenty of bases to work from if you were to modify an existing unit.
The shallow ones may work, but depends the sort of angles or g's the vehicle may be pulling. As said before, the shallow LS2 sumps are deemed the worst of the lot.
I use a steel Autokraft that I needed to modify slightly, but bought the steel as at the time I had no means of alloy welding myself, so it made more sense.
You could maybe start with a shallow LS2, but then add a further sump to one side of the propshaft, along with suitable oil pickup mods ? That should add more oil capacity, but also encourage all the oil into a smaller more reliable pickup area for the pipe ?
As you say we don't now the g forces or how well the oiling will work so it's guess work and balancing the amount of work against a perceived risk.
I have no doubt that the biggest risk of starvation comes on deceleration. The engine is in rear so the oil will be flowing towards the sump well.
I don't know how well Accusumps work
I have no doubt that the biggest risk of starvation comes on deceleration. The engine is in rear so the oil will be flowing towards the sump well.
I don't know how well Accusumps work
C Lee Farquar said:
As you say we don't now the g forces or how well the oiling will work so it's guess work and balancing the amount of work against a perceived risk.
I have no doubt that the biggest risk of starvation comes on deceleration. The engine is in rear so the oil will be flowing towards the sump well.
I don't know how well Accusumps work
I wouldnt have too much faith in themI have no doubt that the biggest risk of starvation comes on deceleration. The engine is in rear so the oil will be flowing towards the sump well.
I don't know how well Accusumps work
They only hold a small amount and then they take time to refill...and holding a small amount can only inject a small amount when required.
I'd far rather have a reliable oil system than the likes of those.
I cant see any negatives to modifying the likes of an LS2 with an additional sump box down beside the prop, unless it is at risk of physical damage down there
Sump and EFI Live ordered Trying to work out what wideband device I need.
I've been reading the engine installation instructions. It seems it needs prelubeing, don't we all. So a few more $.
I can't get to the bottom of whether my LS7 flexplate will fit the LS3. The new engine comes with a flexplate but I don't think it will work with the TH350 torque converter.
I've been reading the engine installation instructions. It seems it needs prelubeing, don't we all. So a few more $.
I can't get to the bottom of whether my LS7 flexplate will fit the LS3. The new engine comes with a flexplate but I don't think it will work with the TH350 torque converter.
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