280i alternator bracket for PAS models.
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Hi
Just putting it out there...does anyone have a 280i alternator bracket that I could either buy or borrow for a couple of weeks?..mine is being modified but my contact has gone away for two weeks and has my bracket
..I need to get Delilah running and prepared for the fest, need to change fluids etc, I bought the ford item but need the TVR specially modified/cut n shut one as with the ford part the alternator hits the steering column and chassis side rail..
She needs a shake down as been hardly used over the last 10 years, which is kind of a blessing as the engine was rebuilt and I spent loads of money on the important stuff like trailing arms, front end bushes, ball joints etc...thanks
Just putting it out there...does anyone have a 280i alternator bracket that I could either buy or borrow for a couple of weeks?..mine is being modified but my contact has gone away for two weeks and has my bracket
..I need to get Delilah running and prepared for the fest, need to change fluids etc, I bought the ford item but need the TVR specially modified/cut n shut one as with the ford part the alternator hits the steering column and chassis side rail..She needs a shake down as been hardly used over the last 10 years, which is kind of a blessing as the engine was rebuilt and I spent loads of money on the important stuff like trailing arms, front end bushes, ball joints etc...thanks
This is the type of alternator bracket i have on my car.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186321453471?mkcid=16&a...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186321453471?mkcid=16&a...
Tasmin200 said:
Mark, I can't help with the bracket but as a temporary measure how about bypassing the power steering?
A standard ford alternator bracket will fit, get a smaller belt and if you remove the oil from the steering rack all should be good.
Thanks Roy...I have that bracket but the alternator hits the steering column and the side chassis rail, so no adjustment for tension, it is going to be modified by a friend but he has major work being done at home so has gone away for two weeks, I should have kept it as two other people could have re-engineered it in a week..do not really want to run it with no water pump as I need to change coolant and also it is not good to run a pas rack with no oil, knowing my luck it will end up causing more problems...big note to self...DO NOT SELL YOUR OLD PARTS...A standard ford alternator bracket will fit, get a smaller belt and if you remove the oil from the steering rack all should be good.
Cheers
Is this just the usual bit of bent 1/4" with a slot for adjustment?
If you can calcestimate the dimensiholes and draw up a fagCAD I might be able to hammer a bit of old pig iron into something usable...
EDIT: Ah, if it's missing the contraption shown in the ebay link above it would need Forgemasters at Sheffield to get involved
If you can calcestimate the dimensiholes and draw up a fagCAD I might be able to hammer a bit of old pig iron into something usable...
EDIT: Ah, if it's missing the contraption shown in the ebay link above it would need Forgemasters at Sheffield to get involved
Edited by Wedg1e on Friday 12th April 23:59
Wedg1e said:
Is this just the usual bit of bent 1/4" with a slot for adjustment?
If you can calcumalate the dimensiholes and draw up a fagCAD I might be able to hammer a bit of old pig iron into something usable...
Hi IanIf you can calcumalate the dimensiholes and draw up a fagCAD I might be able to hammer a bit of old pig iron into something usable...
It is the ford /modified TVR alternator bracket, it originally housed the pas pump as well but have mounted it on other side of engine, although the pulley is out of line as I bought the slightly later capri type pump but has a short neck, I think its the GU ones that have a longer neck, originally it was SD1 or the mk1 Granada?
Cheers
Ah, well I'm not up to speed on PAS on the V6 as my Tasmin didn't have that luxury... I do seem to recall some versions having the PAS pump mounted facing backwards, or was that the aircon pump...?
The usual V8 install uses the Hobourn Eaton pump used on BL cars but I think Fords had a fatter looking thing?
Funnily enough on my V8 the TVR-bodgified PAS pump bracket also twists the pump so the belt runs misaligned, but it's been doing it for 37 years so it can't be that bad.
The usual V8 install uses the Hobourn Eaton pump used on BL cars but I think Fords had a fatter looking thing?
Funnily enough on my V8 the TVR-bodgified PAS pump bracket also twists the pump so the belt runs misaligned, but it's been doing it for 37 years so it can't be that bad.
Edited by Wedg1e on Saturday 13th April 00:07
Wedg1e said:
Ah, well I'm not up to speed on PAS on the V6 as my Tasmin didn't have that luxury... I do seem to recall some versions having the PAS pump mounted facing backwards, or was that the aircon pump...?
The usual V8 install uses the Hobourn Eaton pump used on BL cars but I think Fords had a fatter looking thing?
Funnily enough on my V8 the TVR-bodgified PAS pump bracket also twists the pump so the belt runs misaligned, but it's been doing it for 37 years so it can't be that bad.
Hi IanThe usual V8 install uses the Hobourn Eaton pump used on BL cars but I think Fords had a fatter looking thing?
Funnily enough on my V8 the TVR-bodgified PAS pump bracket also twists the pump so the belt runs misaligned, but it's been doing it for 37 years so it can't be that bad.
Edited by Wedg1e on Saturday 13th April 00:07
Yep thats right , originally I had what I believe was the Ford Granada mk1 pas pump which was mounted with the alternator in the first pic...
Then I used the early type of Cortina/Granada GU...here you can see the TVR special, the pump had a slightly longer neck to the one I have now which looked the same..
This is with the ford bracket, I even bought a smaller alternator but still too big on that bracket, it isalready hitting the chassis rail and resting on the steering column, with the adjuster on...and the last pic is the bits I sold like a knob, no-one has owned up to buying them off me though, even to borrow for a couple of weeks...
Cheers
Is there any scope to swing the alternator so it sits above the pivot point rather than below it?
Or would that cause the alternator belt to collide with something?
I realise there might be a steady bar that I can't see below the alternator (like the slotted one I mentioned earlier) that would need a longer replacement, but if that was the only remaining problem it'd be fairly easy to resolve.
Or would that cause the alternator belt to collide with something?
I realise there might be a steady bar that I can't see below the alternator (like the slotted one I mentioned earlier) that would need a longer replacement, but if that was the only remaining problem it'd be fairly easy to resolve.
Wedg1e said:
Is there any scope to swing the alternator so it sits above the pivot point rather than below it?
Or would that cause the alternator belt to collide with something?
I realise there might be a steady bar that I can't see below the alternator (like the slotted one I mentioned earlier) that would need a longer replacement, but if that was the only remaining problem it'd be fairly easy to resolve.
Sadly not, that is at its highest position, the swing bracket wont be able to move it for tensioning and the belt could hit the idler pulley bolt, that alternator is resting on the steering column and 10mm up it hits the chassis, I bought a original type alternator as that one was larger than normal but still no resolve, it is a shame that the pas pump does not fit on the side where the alternator is as I could put the alternator back on the N/S of engine.Or would that cause the alternator belt to collide with something?
I realise there might be a steady bar that I can't see below the alternator (like the slotted one I mentioned earlier) that would need a longer replacement, but if that was the only remaining problem it'd be fairly easy to resolve.
Just tossing ideas around, bit difficult to visualise without the car in front of me... is the idler pulley the one partly hidden by the radiator top hose?
I'd be wondering if it was feasible to share that pivot... fit a second idler pulley for the alternator belt to run under (i.e. off the back of the belt), take alternator pivot bolt out and refit the alternator so it's above the chassis rail, judicious selection of belt length and pulley diameter should leave you with a simple adjuster to sort - maybe even a threaded rod arrangement rather than a slotted bar... all easier to say than do I know, but there's more than one way to de-pelt a feline
I'd be wondering if it was feasible to share that pivot... fit a second idler pulley for the alternator belt to run under (i.e. off the back of the belt), take alternator pivot bolt out and refit the alternator so it's above the chassis rail, judicious selection of belt length and pulley diameter should leave you with a simple adjuster to sort - maybe even a threaded rod arrangement rather than a slotted bar... all easier to say than do I know, but there's more than one way to de-pelt a feline
Wedg1e said:
Just tossing ideas around, bit difficult to visualise without the car in front of me... is the idler pulley the one partly hidden by the radiator top hose?
I'd be wondering if it was feasible to share that pivot... fit a second idler pulley for the alternator belt to run under (i.e. off the back of the belt), take alternator pivot bolt out and refit the alternator so it's above the chassis rail, judicious selection of belt length and pulley diameter should leave you with a simple adjuster to sort - maybe even a threaded rod arrangement rather than a slotted bar... all easier to say than do I know, but there's more than one way to de-pelt a feline
Cheers dude...its the red thing with the wheel on, yep up near the top rad hose..I'd be wondering if it was feasible to share that pivot... fit a second idler pulley for the alternator belt to run under (i.e. off the back of the belt), take alternator pivot bolt out and refit the alternator so it's above the chassis rail, judicious selection of belt length and pulley diameter should leave you with a simple adjuster to sort - maybe even a threaded rod arrangement rather than a slotted bar... all easier to say than do I know, but there's more than one way to de-pelt a feline
Mind you only 11 days until matey comes back so probably end up waiting anyway..could just buy another Ford item as a couple of peeps have offered to re-design one..I could always sell the other...
I'm struggling to understand why yours doesn't work. My car has a standard Capri 2.8i bracket and while there's not tons of clearance I can fit my fingers underneath between the alternator and steering column as well as down the side to the chassis.
Have your engine mounts collapsed or is the belt too long?
Have your engine mounts collapsed or is the belt too long?
Tasmin200 said:
I'm struggling to understand why yours doesn't work. My car has a standard Capri 2.8i bracket and while there's not tons of clearance I can fit my fingers underneath between the alternator and steering column as well as down the side to the chassis.
Have your engine mounts collapsed or is the belt too long?
Hi RoyHave your engine mounts collapsed or is the belt too long?
I have pas...
So now I have the bracket and alternator, which fit together...to me the bracket looks a good 1-2" shorter than the one I had (blue one)...I only really needed an inch or so for the alternator to miss the chassis and not rest on the steering column..I will let you know how I get on
Cheers
Cheers
Wedg1e said:
Have you fettled it yet then Mark?
Hi IanI have fitted the alternator with its modified bracket and custom made triangular plate..needed a slightly longer belt 6620MC anything longer and I would have needed a longer adjuster bar, the pas pump spacers line up perfectly and will be draining the old epas pump and hopefully bleeding the manual one, just waiting on a new battery...I know...should have bought that first
...was hoping to have her up and running this weekend if the weather brightens up a bit...I can then replace the coolant and give her a bit of a shakedown...fingers and eyes crossed...
Cheers
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