Closure of Lendal Bridge in York

Closure of Lendal Bridge in York

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Jonnie B

229 posts

219 months

Saturday 18th May 2013
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I agree with everyone on here it seems a stupid idea & will just move the same amount of traffic to other routes around the city centre.

Also when the council is making finacial cuts every where, how much is all of this going to cost to set up & moniter ?

Surly they are far far better things for them to waste our money on ?

John.

RedAndy

1,228 posts

154 months

Saturday 13th July 2013
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supersport said:
This is why I no longer drive to work, beside the fact that there is no where to park, takes 30 mins on the cycle and it is the same every day. I no longer have to worry about the randomness of the council or traffic.
THAT'S why they are doing it. Get yo out of your car and on to public transport/walk/cycle. All you've done supersport is prove their braindead decisions actually work!


ellroy

Original Poster:

7,029 posts

225 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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Bump.

Just to remind everyone that it started this morning, and there are scameras waiting to relieve you of your hard earned.

DMN

2,983 posts

139 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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And surprisngly York has not descended into chaos. Who'd have though it.

ellroy

Original Poster:

7,029 posts

225 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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Possibly because its still the middle of the summer holidays?

Wait until its wet and every ones back at work, the real volumes and chaos can then be judged.

Just made a journey out of town to the north from the city centre that I make twice a week.

Its added ten minutes to the journey time, without the schools being in and also being in the middle of the day with pretty light traffic.

Much larger queing all around the inner ring road than you'd normally expect.

Can't wait to see what happens under a more normal traffic load....

Edited by ellroy on Tuesday 27th August 15:30

MitchT

15,863 posts

209 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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I drove into York last Wednesday night. I've never driven into York before and would have been royally screwed in getting to my destination on time if I'd not been able to drive across Lendal Bridge, particularly as the sat nav would probably still have tried to take me that way. Wonder how many visitors will turn up once and avoid the place again because it's made just too difficult for them by the local bureaucrats?

Ruskie

3,987 posts

200 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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MitchT said:
I drove into York last Wednesday night. I've never driven into York before and would have been royally screwed in getting to my destination on time if I'd not been able to drive across Lendal Bridge, particularly as the sat nav would probably still have tried to take me that way. Wonder how many visitors will turn up once and avoid the place again because it's made just too difficult for them by the local bureaucrats?
A lot is the answer. People were stopped on the bridge (Pedestrians) flagging cars down to save them the £30 fine.

coppice

8,605 posts

144 months

Wednesday 28th August 2013
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RedAndy said:
THAT'S why they are doing it. Get yo out of your car and on to public transport/walk/cycle. All you've done supersport is prove their braindead decisions actually work!
sports
The last time I drove into York was at least a decade ago; the park and ride thing is just fine.. I don't find it too difficult to reconcile the fact that I enjoy driving daft cars with the fact that I hate traffic clogged cities where every driver thinks they have a God given right to wreck everybody else's day. Pedestrianisation of much of York centre was the best thing that happened to the city for years.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Wednesday 28th August 2013
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markmullen said:
supersport said:
I don't understand why taxis are allowed to go in bus lanes or pedestrian only areas, surely a taxi is simply a rich man's way of getting around. What's the difference between me in my car on my own and me sat in a taxi, apart from my wallet being lighter in a taxi.
yes
+2

Taxis shouldn't get any special treatment. I'm not sure about being for the rich though, seems to be scummers spending our money who always use them around here.


MitchT said:
I drove into York last Wednesday night. I've never driven into York before and would have been royally screwed in getting to my destination on time if I'd not been able to drive across Lendal Bridge, particularly as the sat nav would probably still have tried to take me that way. Wonder how many visitors will turn up once and avoid the place again because it's made just too difficult for them by the local bureaucrats?
Lots I bet, Mrs Hooli & I have left towns we couldn't get round when trying to visit several times.

MitchT

15,863 posts

209 months

Wednesday 28th August 2013
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coppice said:
The last time I drove into York was at least a decade ago; the park and ride thing is just fine.. I don't find it too difficult to reconcile the fact that I enjoy driving daft cars with the fact that I hate traffic clogged cities where every driver thinks they have a God given right to wreck everybody else's day. Pedestrianisation of much of York centre was the best thing that happened to the city for years.
I for one have nothing against the pedestrianisation of city centres - quite the opposite in fact. But, adequate parking should be provided sufficiently close to the centre that you can walk straight in. The closure of Lendal Bridge seems like folly because it doesn't actually take traffic out of the very centre - that has already been done - and hampers access to Marygate car park if you're entering the city in the direction that I would. Park and ride is all well and good but the cumulative time taken to get to the park and ride, wait for a bus and then travel into the centre pretty much renders the day spent. I tried it once and went back to using the train. Speaking of which...

I always used to travel into York by train (from Leeds) which was much, much quicker than driving, as long as you get one of the fast trains that doesn't stop everywhere. But, the train has become so ridiculously expensive that it just isn't worth it anymore. Plus, the cost of the train is multiplied by the number of people travelling. Adding passengers to a car makes a negligible difference to cost, if any at all.

Ruskie

3,987 posts

200 months

Wednesday 28th August 2013
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The main problem is York will always be hamstrung by the walls and river as any traffic plan has to navigate around and over these.

Any thing that gets me is the cost of parking. £2 an hour is a disgrace and if you nip over an hour it automatically goes to £4. Walking, public transport etc is ok until its torrential rain or you are short of time then it becomes an exercise in the futile.

LeighB

3,858 posts

225 months

Wednesday 28th August 2013
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Now this maybe fact or fiction, but one story I heard goes like this:

COYC move to new offices and want to sell off those left in St. Leonard's Place. Hotelier wants to buy said buildings but suggests it will only do so if passing traffic is reduced.

COYC likes the price offered for said buildings and looks at options for reducing traffic and voila, here we are!

Looking out for the tourists..... my fecking arse!

carlove

7,561 posts

167 months

Wednesday 28th August 2013
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Walked across Lendal bridge at about lunchtime today, loads of cars passed, about £500 of fines by my not very good calculations.
It's a silly idea, although it doesn't affect me as I very rarely drive over it, I walk if I have to go into York but when picking people up from the station it's going to be a pissing nuisance.
If it affects my journeys on the outer ring road then there will be trouble.

I did see the Rawcliffe bar P&R bus on Bootham this afternoon and I don't think I've ever seen it so full, I would much rather be in a nice empty car, without the smell of sweat, drugs, vomit and other nasties.

supersport

4,058 posts

227 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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RedAndy said:
supersport said:
This is why I no longer drive to work, beside the fact that there is no where to park, takes 30 mins on the cycle and it is the same every day. I no longer have to worry about the randomness of the council or traffic.
THAT'S why they are doing it. Get yo out of your car and on to public transport/walk/cycle. All you've done supersport is prove their braindead decisions actually work!
The trip to work just became impossible and I wasn't prepared to pay 6% of my gross salary for the possibility of a parking space. I bought a bike on the cycle to work scheme and now love cycling and rarely use the car in town. If it rains heavy I work from home

The money I save on petrol paid for the bike and I now have a new hobby and am fitter. Still hate the council and want them out though.

Ace-T

7,696 posts

255 months

Friday 8th November 2013
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Just had a nice Penalty notice from York because I drove over this bridge last Sunday. mad I have been to York twice in my life. Never again.

Let me be clear on this, I was coming out of York from the Minster area to get to the A1. EVERY time I saw a marked bus lane I made sure I did not go into it/pulled over from it etc. I do not know York at all so was following the sat-nav but was keeping my eyes peeled for things like restrictions/bus lanes etc. And incidentally so was my other half (another PH'r).

If two of us missed the signs for this so called 'bus lane' then the signs are absolutely not clear enough.

Apparently there are yellow AA signs dotted about BUT IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BLOODY BRIDGE IS CALLED, THEY ARE MEANINGLESS!!!!

I spent a lot of money in York that day. Not gonna happen again (and I had intended to do so in future).

I will appeal based on very poor signage. If anyone else is going through this too, I would be happy to chat/share the utter frustration this has caused.

skeggysteve

5,724 posts

217 months

Friday 8th November 2013
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Ace-T said:
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I will appeal based on very poor signage. If anyone else is going through this too, I would be happy to chat/share the utter frustration this has caused.
My wife works at Clifton Moor and took some paperwork into the city, she got lost going back to her office and crossed the bridge.
Like you she had no idea she had crossed it until the PCN turned up!

I rang the council to tell them that a web address they give on the paperwork was wrong and to ask what laws say's I, as the registered keeper, are responsible for what happens to my car when I'm not driving.

They thanked me for pointing out the web address error but could not answer my second question!

When I rang I got a long recorded message telling me that using a sat nav, not seeing the signs etc. etc. was no excuse.

I don't think AA signs hold any legal weight and the marking painted on the road do not say 'Bus Lane' which is what our and no doubt your PCN is for.
How many cars are in your photo? There's four in our's, which must show that the sign's aren't good enough.

It's about Coppergate but very similar:

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/10785232.Driver_wi...


Edited by skeggysteve on Tuesday 21st January 19:28

BlueMR2

8,653 posts

202 months

Friday 8th November 2013
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We went there a week ago for one of my parents birthdays and they were going to drive straight over to a car park the other side.

I'm pretty sure the bridge just says restricted access 10am-5pm or similar and has no details at all about whats restricted, you could have thought it was no lorrys or delivery vans for example.

Totally useless.

supersport

4,058 posts

227 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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If you look carefully there are round signs with red borders saying no access I believe with a time underneath.

From the Minster side these are on the end of the builings opposite museum gardens amongs other signs. it is quite likely given the volume of pedestrians that you could not see these.

To be honest though as a York resident/worker there is no excuse for crossing the bridge since it has been in operation for quite a while now. I do feel sorry for tourists who would have no idea which bridge is Lendal bridge or quite what the restrictions are.

It is a st idea designed by a bunch of st people, the quicker they are ousted the better.

dugsud

1,125 posts

263 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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York council are a complete bunch of tossers, they come up with one hair brained idea after another. Like their latest stupid move which is to rip up the old cobbled square near the Shambles and replace it with modern paving......to make access better!

My only hope is that these stupid ideas are extra nails in the Labour council's coffin come the next election.

DMN

2,983 posts

139 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Those cobbles where put there in the 1970's. Lets not get that upset about them, Kings Square needed sorting out.