Horsforth A65 - A6120 roundabout improvements.
Discussion
TheBALDpuma said:
I go over this roundabout twice a day and I'm prettyu nervous about the chaos the works are going to cause! The main problem is a commute from Rawdon to Chapel Allerton. If it's bad I'm going to go via Bramhope during the roadworks! Twice a week in rush hour I have to go from Rawdon to the far side of horsfoth, so have no other choice. I will often go through the old bit of rawdon, and thn turn right at the bayton lane cross roads, bringing me out pretty close to the roundabout. This can save me 15 mins when it's really busy! Don't tell everyone though!
I have no idea what these plans will do in the long run, but something does need to be done. Bradford CC did a load of work at the equally bad Saltaire roundabout which I use at rush hour once a week, and that is now 100x better.
I came up from Horsforth (old Ball) to Rawdon (Emmott Arms) on the back road on Saturday nightI have no idea what these plans will do in the long run, but something does need to be done. Bradford CC did a load of work at the equally bad Saltaire roundabout which I use at rush hour once a week, and that is now 100x better.
and big mistake as there are speed humps all the way now
I have 2 cars and neither will do this type of hump at more than 5mph
Whenever I try to straddle them then something catches.
Just put new suspension on the TVR and can't see that lasting 12 months
with all the pot holes and speed bumps everywhere around Bradfordistan now
Maybe better to spend the money improving the roads before the roundabouts
Trickie
Trickie Dickie said:
I came up from Horsforth (old Ball) to Rawdon (Emmott Arms) on the back road on Saturday night
and big mistake as there are speed humps all the way now
I have 2 cars and neither will do this type of hump at more than 5mph
Whenever I try to straddle them then something catches.
Just put new suspension on the TVR and can't see that lasting 12 months
with all the pot holes and speed bumps everywhere around Bradfordistan now
Maybe better to spend the money improving the roads before the roundabouts
Trickie
There are speed humps on the A65? Really? It's already littered with GATSOs on that stretch.and big mistake as there are speed humps all the way now
I have 2 cars and neither will do this type of hump at more than 5mph
Whenever I try to straddle them then something catches.
Just put new suspension on the TVR and can't see that lasting 12 months
with all the pot holes and speed bumps everywhere around Bradfordistan now
Maybe better to spend the money improving the roads before the roundabouts
Trickie
All that jazz said:
There are speed humps on the A65? Really? It's already littered with GATSOs on that stretch.
I'm fairly certain Trickie Dickie isn't referring to the A65. At least, there were no speed bumps on it the last time I went More like Brownberrie Lane or nearby I think?
Edited by TonyRPH on Monday 26th January 12:27
Trickie Dickie said:
TheBALDpuma said:
I go over this roundabout twice a day and I'm prettyu nervous about the chaos the works are going to cause! The main problem is a commute from Rawdon to Chapel Allerton. If it's bad I'm going to go via Bramhope during the roadworks! Twice a week in rush hour I have to go from Rawdon to the far side of horsfoth, so have no other choice. I will often go through the old bit of rawdon, and thn turn right at the bayton lane cross roads, bringing me out pretty close to the roundabout. This can save me 15 mins when it's really busy! Don't tell everyone though!
I have no idea what these plans will do in the long run, but something does need to be done. Bradford CC did a load of work at the equally bad Saltaire roundabout which I use at rush hour once a week, and that is now 100x better.
I came up from Horsforth (old Ball) to Rawdon (Emmott Arms) on the back road on Saturday nightI have no idea what these plans will do in the long run, but something does need to be done. Bradford CC did a load of work at the equally bad Saltaire roundabout which I use at rush hour once a week, and that is now 100x better.
and big mistake as there are speed humps all the way now
I have 2 cars and neither will do this type of hump at more than 5mph
Whenever I try to straddle them then something catches.
Just put new suspension on the TVR and can't see that lasting 12 months
with all the pot holes and speed bumps everywhere around Bradfordistan now
Maybe better to spend the money improving the roads before the roundabouts
Trickie
And Trickie, I took this route the other day and was pretty unhappy about it! They put the speed bumps through Rawdon which is fair game I suppose as it was a 30 limit, with a 20 section. Now it's 20 all the way, which is a little slow. But between the edge of Rawdon and the start of horsforth, that was a 40 limit and now they've speed bumped all the way to Horsforth. WTF! They just don't need to be there at all, it isn't built up at all.
Leeds City Council have "gone all Bradford" with their 20 limits and speed bumps just lately.
It began (AFAIK) in Headingley, when 20 limits began sprouting up all over the place there.
Ironically, just up the road from me is a main thoroughfare which has speed bumps and chicanes - and what happens?
People just speed up to get through the chicanes (which ironically are used as safe haven crossings by some pedestrians, and other people simply take chances to race through in the face of oncoming traffic.
And of course, at peak times these chicanes just cause large queues.
So all they succeeded in doing was to actually make the road more dangerous.
Utterly pointless.
It began (AFAIK) in Headingley, when 20 limits began sprouting up all over the place there.
Ironically, just up the road from me is a main thoroughfare which has speed bumps and chicanes - and what happens?
People just speed up to get through the chicanes (which ironically are used as safe haven crossings by some pedestrians, and other people simply take chances to race through in the face of oncoming traffic.
And of course, at peak times these chicanes just cause large queues.
So all they succeeded in doing was to actually make the road more dangerous.
Utterly pointless.
TheBALDpuma said:
Trickie Dickie said:
TheBALDpuma said:
I go over this roundabout twice a day and I'm prettyu nervous about the chaos the works are going to cause! The main problem is a commute from Rawdon to Chapel Allerton. If it's bad I'm going to go via Bramhope during the roadworks! Twice a week in rush hour I have to go from Rawdon to the far side of horsfoth, so have no other choice. I will often go through the old bit of rawdon, and thn turn right at the bayton lane cross roads, bringing me out pretty close to the roundabout. This can save me 15 mins when it's really busy! Don't tell everyone though!
I have no idea what these plans will do in the long run, but something does need to be done. Bradford CC did a load of work at the equally bad Saltaire roundabout which I use at rush hour once a week, and that is now 100x better.
I came up from Horsforth (old Ball) to Rawdon (Emmott Arms) on the back road on Saturday nightI have no idea what these plans will do in the long run, but something does need to be done. Bradford CC did a load of work at the equally bad Saltaire roundabout which I use at rush hour once a week, and that is now 100x better.
and big mistake as there are speed humps all the way now
I have 2 cars and neither will do this type of hump at more than 5mph
Whenever I try to straddle them then something catches.
Just put new suspension on the TVR and can't see that lasting 12 months
with all the pot holes and speed bumps everywhere around Bradfordistan now
Maybe better to spend the money improving the roads before the roundabouts
Trickie
And Trickie, I took this route the other day and was pretty unhappy about it! They put the speed bumps through Rawdon which is fair game I suppose as it was a 30 limit, with a 20 section. Now it's 20 all the way, which is a little slow. But between the edge of Rawdon and the start of horsforth, that was a 40 limit and now they've speed bumped all the way to Horsforth. WTF! They just don't need to be there at all, it isn't built up at all.
.Speed humps (and bumps) to me are even worse than Scameras!!!
You don't have to come to a stop to pass a Scamera (unless you are a nervous female!!)
Won't be long before we are back to having a man walk in front of our cars at 4mph waving a red flag
BACK ON TOPIC
My friend who lives by the roundabout says they have now passed
to put houses all the way from the Horsforth roundabout to Rawdon Crematorium
(on what was greenbelt again I think)
More congestion!!
Trickie
You don't have to come to a stop to pass a Scamera (unless you are a nervous female!!)
Won't be long before we are back to having a man walk in front of our cars at 4mph waving a red flag
BACK ON TOPIC
My friend who lives by the roundabout says they have now passed
to put houses all the way from the Horsforth roundabout to Rawdon Crematorium
(on what was greenbelt again I think)
More congestion!!
Trickie
Trickie Dickie said:
BACK ON TOPIC
My friend who lives by the roundabout says they have now passed
to put houses all the way from the Horsforth roundabout to Rawdon Crematorium
(on what was greenbelt again I think)
More congestion!!
Trickie
No way! Who (at the Council) thinks that would be a good idea? Its already backed up towards Rawdon and even worse on New Road Side.My friend who lives by the roundabout says they have now passed
to put houses all the way from the Horsforth roundabout to Rawdon Crematorium
(on what was greenbelt again I think)
More congestion!!
Trickie
MonkeyBusiness said:
Trickie Dickie said:
BACK ON TOPIC
My friend who lives by the roundabout says they have now passed
to put houses all the way from the Horsforth roundabout to Rawdon Crematorium
(on what was greenbelt again I think)
More congestion!!
Trickie
No way! Who (at the Council) thinks that would be a good idea? Its already backed up towards Rawdon and even worse on New Road Side.My friend who lives by the roundabout says they have now passed
to put houses all the way from the Horsforth roundabout to Rawdon Crematorium
(on what was greenbelt again I think)
More congestion!!
Trickie
This is greenbelt land, and is apparently on the former Clariant Works (my o/h thinks it may also have been known as 'Sandoz'?).
Link to map
TonyRPH said:
The only permission I can find is for development on Calverly Lane, not along the A65.
This is greenbelt land, and is apparently on the former Clariant Works (my o/h thinks it may also have been known as 'Sandoz'?).
Link to map
Sandoz is correct. I passed the back of the plant on Tuesday whilst on the train and the land is being prepared.This is greenbelt land, and is apparently on the former Clariant Works (my o/h thinks it may also have been known as 'Sandoz'?).
Link to map
Thanks for the links.
I found some further info here and here.
It looks as though they were wanting to build some 550 homes, but the plans have been rejected (and since revised and accepted I presume) given that these reports are quite old (2011).
There are some interesting comments regarding (the closed) Calverley Railway station and the (work in progress) station at Apperley Bridge.
It's easy to see why 550 homes were rejected though!!!
Planning permission for upto 400 residential dwellings was granted for the site on appeal in April 2012
Link to detailed plan (pdf)
Link to Horsforth Community Forum discussion
No small wonder the developers are contributing to the junction improvements!
ETA: Added additional links.
It looks as though they were wanting to build some 550 homes, but the plans have been rejected (and since revised and accepted I presume) given that these reports are quite old (2011).
There are some interesting comments regarding (the closed) Calverley Railway station and the (work in progress) station at Apperley Bridge.
It's easy to see why 550 homes were rejected though!!!
Planning permission for upto 400 residential dwellings was granted for the site on appeal in April 2012
Link to detailed plan (pdf)
Link to Horsforth Community Forum discussion
No small wonder the developers are contributing to the junction improvements!
ETA: Added additional links.
Edited by TonyRPH on Friday 30th January 20:39
Trickie Dickie said:
TheBALDpuma said:
I go over this roundabout twice a day and I'm prettyu nervous about the chaos the works are going to cause! The main problem is a commute from Rawdon to Chapel Allerton. If it's bad I'm going to go via Bramhope during the roadworks! Twice a week in rush hour I have to go from Rawdon to the far side of horsfoth, so have no other choice. I will often go through the old bit of rawdon, and thn turn right at the bayton lane cross roads, bringing me out pretty close to the roundabout. This can save me 15 mins when it's really busy! Don't tell everyone though!
I have no idea what these plans will do in the long run, but something does need to be done. Bradford CC did a load of work at the equally bad Saltaire roundabout which I use at rush hour once a week, and that is now 100x better.
I came up from Horsforth (old Ball) to Rawdon (Emmott Arms) on the back road on Saturday nightI have no idea what these plans will do in the long run, but something does need to be done. Bradford CC did a load of work at the equally bad Saltaire roundabout which I use at rush hour once a week, and that is now 100x better.
and big mistake as there are speed humps all the way now
I have 2 cars and neither will do this type of hump at more than 5mph
Whenever I try to straddle them then something catches.
Just put new suspension on the TVR and can't see that lasting 12 months
with all the pot holes and speed bumps everywhere around Bradfordistan now
Maybe better to spend the money improving the roads before the roundabouts
Trickie
Thanks to this I have to/choose to do a massive detour from Rawdon to Meanwood. I head out towards Bramhope and come in via the back of Golden Acre. Better and faster roads with no humps, but fuel costs going up because of the extra mileage
roystinho said:
This is so annoying. I hit a speedhump at around 40 when they were doing it, there were no signs, the humps weren't painted, almost ripped the uber expensive suspension off the Trophy.
Thanks to this I have to/choose to do a massive detour from Rawdon to Meanwood. I head out towards Bramhope and come in via the back of Golden Acre. Better and faster roads with no humps, but fuel costs going up because of the extra mileage
Also what is going on at the Old Ball Roundabout? They are extending/putting another crossing at the start of Brownberrie Lane I think.Thanks to this I have to/choose to do a massive detour from Rawdon to Meanwood. I head out towards Bramhope and come in via the back of Golden Acre. Better and faster roads with no humps, but fuel costs going up because of the extra mileage
MonkeyBusiness said:
roystinho said:
This is so annoying. I hit a speedhump at around 40 when they were doing it, there were no signs, the humps weren't painted, almost ripped the uber expensive suspension off the Trophy.
Thanks to this I have to/choose to do a massive detour from Rawdon to Meanwood. I head out towards Bramhope and come in via the back of Golden Acre. Better and faster roads with no humps, but fuel costs going up because of the extra mileage
Also what is going on at the Old Ball Roundabout? They are extending/putting another crossing at the start of Brownberrie Lane I think.Thanks to this I have to/choose to do a massive detour from Rawdon to Meanwood. I head out towards Bramhope and come in via the back of Golden Acre. Better and faster roads with no humps, but fuel costs going up because of the extra mileage
My gripe is why do all this when they are doing the main roundabout? There's extra traffic on the back way, so lets start messing around there too... Poor planning
MonkeyBusiness said:
Also what is going on at the Old Ball Roundabout? They are extending/putting another crossing at the start of Brownberrie Lane I think.
Reading this document suggests that a 'humped zebra crossing' is to be installed at the Old Ball Roundabout.Why we have to have zebra crossings on the entrance / exit of a roundabout escapes me - it strikes me as dangerous given the few near misses I have seen in recent years.
Also - this document covers the speeds bumps and speed reduction on Brownberrie Lane.
roystinho said:
This is so annoying. I hit a speedhump at around 40 when they were doing it, there were no signs, the humps weren't painted, almost ripped the uber expensive suspension off the Trophy.
Thanks to this I have to/choose to do a massive detour from Rawdon to Meanwood. I head out towards Bramhope and come in via the back of Golden Acre. Better and faster roads with no humps, but fuel costs going up because of the extra mileage
How are you getting to Meanwood via that route without facing even more humps? For a start the road down the back of Golden Acre Park is like the surface of the moon as it's so uneven which continues much the same down to Adel, then you've got humps down Tongue Lane if you go that way, same down Weetwood Lane if you go that way. Only other option is down King Lane to Sainsburys but that's miles out of your way and if you meet something big coming the other way along there you'll either be trashing your wheels in the craters along the left side of the road in the countryside bit, or trashing them up against the kerb on the narrow bit through Alwoodley.Thanks to this I have to/choose to do a massive detour from Rawdon to Meanwood. I head out towards Bramhope and come in via the back of Golden Acre. Better and faster roads with no humps, but fuel costs going up because of the extra mileage
All that jazz said:
roystinho said:
This is so annoying. I hit a speedhump at around 40 when they were doing it, there were no signs, the humps weren't painted, almost ripped the uber expensive suspension off the Trophy.
Thanks to this I have to/choose to do a massive detour from Rawdon to Meanwood. I head out towards Bramhope and come in via the back of Golden Acre. Better and faster roads with no humps, but fuel costs going up because of the extra mileage
How are you getting to Meanwood via that route without facing even more humps? For a start the road down the back of Golden Acre Park is like the surface of the moon as it's so uneven which continues much the same down to Adel, then you've got humps down Tongue Lane if you go that way, same down Weetwood Lane if you go that way. Only other option is down King Lane to Sainsburys but that's miles out of your way and if you meet something big coming the other way along there you'll either be trashing your wheels in the craters along the left side of the road in the countryside bit, or trashing them up against the kerb on the narrow bit through Alwoodley.Thanks to this I have to/choose to do a massive detour from Rawdon to Meanwood. I head out towards Bramhope and come in via the back of Golden Acre. Better and faster roads with no humps, but fuel costs going up because of the extra mileage
But a hump is much easier to get over than those 'cushions' (I've never heard that term before), and there isn't nearly 2 miles of them from my house...
roystinho said:
All that jazz said:
roystinho said:
This is so annoying. I hit a speedhump at around 40 when they were doing it, there were no signs, the humps weren't painted, almost ripped the uber expensive suspension off the Trophy.
Thanks to this I have to/choose to do a massive detour from Rawdon to Meanwood. I head out towards Bramhope and come in via the back of Golden Acre. Better and faster roads with no humps, but fuel costs going up because of the extra mileage
How are you getting to Meanwood via that route without facing even more humps? For a start the road down the back of Golden Acre Park is like the surface of the moon as it's so uneven which continues much the same down to Adel, then you've got humps down Tongue Lane if you go that way, same down Weetwood Lane if you go that way. Only other option is down King Lane to Sainsburys but that's miles out of your way and if you meet something big coming the other way along there you'll either be trashing your wheels in the craters along the left side of the road in the countryside bit, or trashing them up against the kerb on the narrow bit through Alwoodley.Thanks to this I have to/choose to do a massive detour from Rawdon to Meanwood. I head out towards Bramhope and come in via the back of Golden Acre. Better and faster roads with no humps, but fuel costs going up because of the extra mileage
But a hump is much easier to get over than those 'cushions' (I've never heard that term before), and there isn't nearly 2 miles of them from my house...
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