Horsforth A65 - A6120 roundabout improvements.

Horsforth A65 - A6120 roundabout improvements.

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TonyRPH

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12,968 posts

168 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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I've just been reading about the proposed improvements to Horsforth roundabout.

Download the PDF doc here

Looking at it, I'm struggling to see how it is going to improve the flow of traffic, however I am no expert on these things.

It would be interesting to hear the views of other who use this roundabout regularly (I don't use it much any more).

Oh, and £2.8M eek

MonkeyBusiness

3,932 posts

187 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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I pass over this roundabout every day.
It's going to get even worse with the new houses built down by the old Sandoz.
And yes, 2.8m eek

Luckily(?) I ride a motorbike so I filter past the queues.

TonyRPH

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12,968 posts

168 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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Looking at the proposed changes to the road layout, filtering may get a little tight for you.


MonkeyBusiness

3,932 posts

187 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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TonyRPH said:
Looking at the proposed changes to the road layout, filtering may get a little tight for you.
To be honest it's already a bit tight approaching the roundabout from Rawdon.

All that jazz

7,632 posts

146 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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£2.7m wasted before it's even begun. The redesign as per the plan won't fix anything as the problem is the lack of road capacity for the section down to Rodley rbt. Make the ring road down to Rodley 2 lanes and the problem will be sorted without any need for traffic lights. The only thing the traffic lights will serve to do is lengthen the already long queues and majorly piss people off.

TonyRPH

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Tuesday 15th July 2014
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All that jazz said:
£2.7m wasted before it's even begun. The redesign as per the plan won't fix anything as the problem is the lack of road capacity for the section down to Rodley rbt. Make the ring road down to Rodley 2 lanes and the problem will be sorted without any need for traffic lights. The only thing the traffic lights will serve to do is lengthen the already long queues and majorly piss people off.
I completely agree with you.

I used to travel from Guiseley to Elland Road back in the late 90's, and even then the stretch of road down to Rodley was a nightmare on a morning.

The planned changes suggest that the "designer" has no idea what it's like there at peak hours.

So they are adding a filter lane left on to the A65 heading toward Rawdon - which IMHO is not needed.

It looks as though traffic going straight across (and right) from Horsforth heading toward Rawdon will be restricted to a single lane.

And then we have the addition of multiple 'toucan' crossings.

This surely is going to make congestion worse than ever, and push queuing traffic back into Horsforth.

ETA:

I think it's also interesting to note;

Leeds City Council said:
The scheme proposals will also accommodate the new housing development on the
site of the former Clariant works.

Inject an additional £1,450,000 into the city development capital programme
for this scheme (£1,320,000 is already included in the capital programme).

The £1,450,000 is funded from a private developer contribution receipt. scratchchin




Edited by TonyRPH on Tuesday 15th July 19:23

richatnort

3,021 posts

131 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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What's the traffic like at the moment I'm thinking of moving to rodley/horsforth in November and will be travelling to Morley. Would you move there or avoid it at all costs?

Guiseley

197 posts

169 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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richatnort said:
What's the traffic like at the moment I'm thinking of moving to rodley/horsforth in November and will be travelling to Morley. Would you move there or avoid it at all costs?
Its a complete pita commute - I recommend a motorbike!

richatnort

3,021 posts

131 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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Guiseley said:
richatnort said:
What's the traffic like at the moment I'm thinking of moving to rodley/horsforth in November and will be travelling to Morley. Would you move there or avoid it at all costs?
Its a complete pita commute - I recommend a motorbike!
Ha no thanks I'll stick to 4 wheels and a warm cabin thanks. Just wondering on traffic really.

TonyRPH

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Tuesday 15th July 2014
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richatnort said:
Ha no thanks I'll stick to 4 wheels and a warm cabin thanks. Just wondering on traffic really.
I certainly wouldn't commute from Horsforth / Rodley to Morley.

Why not just live over that side? There's plenty of fairly decent places to choose from with a better commute.

SpamDisco

320 posts

124 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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richatnort said:
What's the traffic like at the moment I'm thinking of moving to rodley/horsforth in November and will be travelling to Morley. Would you move there or avoid it at all costs?
Horsforth - would be a pita,

Rodley - wouldn't need to go past this roundabout, as it is in the opposite direction to Morley, roads to Morley aren't too bad going through Pudsey/Swinnow.

The bottlenecks tend to be at most crossings over the River Aire; Kirkstall, Horsforth Ring road, Apperley Bridge, etc.

All that jazz

7,632 posts

146 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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richatnort said:
What's the traffic like at the moment I'm thinking of moving to rodley/horsforth in November and will be travelling to Morley. Would you move there or avoid it at all costs?
Rodley wouldn't be too bad as you'd be on the 'right' side of the river already, just run down through Bramley avoiding Kirkstall or up to Stanningley and cut across to the Ring Road that way. Horsforth would be a PITA as you'd have Kirkstall Road to deal with which is slow going most of the time these days.

gretsch drummer

622 posts

157 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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There's also work planned to be done to the Rodley roundabout. Not sure what but there's a big sign warning of delays.

That area is going to be a mess. Well, more of a mess.

TonyRPH

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168 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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More traffic lights by the look of it.

Leeds City Council said:
Rodley roundabout signalisation scheme

Update 30 May 2014

A revised plan has been placed in the documents section,

please see Scheme-Plan-May2014.pdf

Background

Leeds City Council has obtained ‘Pinch Point’ funding from the Department for Transport in order to improve Rodley Roundabout at the junction of A657 Rodley Lane and A6120 Ring Road Farsley. The junction currently suffers from significant congestion and is part of a length for concern in terms of road safety.

Proposals

The proposals are intended to reduce traffic congestion at this junction and improve accessibility.
The works include:

Replacement of the existing roundabout arrangement with a signalised gyratory
Provision of pedestrian and cycling facilities
Provision of a bus lay-by on the Ring Road towards Horsforth and minor relocation of other bus stops in the area of the roundabout
Street lighting improvements

It is anticipated that construction work will begin this summer and last for around 10 months. Some service diversionary works may commence in advance of the main highway works.

Guiseley

197 posts

169 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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TonyRPH said:
The Rodley changes look better imo - two lanes down from Pudsey, both of which can be used to go straight across towards Horsforth - providing we can educate drivers about zip filing rather than tooting horns and merging early. (I do hope they put helpful signs up!)

http://www.leeds.gov.uk/docs/Rodley-Scheme-Plan-Ma...

Edited by Guiseley on Wednesday 16th July 12:45

TonyRPH

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Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Guiseley said:
The Rodley changes look better imo - two lanes down from Pudsey, both of which can be used to go straight across towards Horsforth - providing we can educate drivers about zip filing rather than tooting horns and merging early. (I do hope they put helpful signs up!)

http://www.leeds.gov.uk/docs/Rodley-Scheme-Plan-Ma...

Edited by Guiseley on Wednesday 16th July 12:45
It does look better - but sadly there are still the two lanes in to one to contend with, which are always going to cause congestion, no matter what is done there.

If only they would widen the entire stretch between Pudsey roundabout and Horsforth roundabout, there is enough space to do this (apart from the bridges).

But all they're doing is building complex junctions with crossings and lights (at huge expense).

ETA: Zip filing / merging? It'll never happen in an orderley fashion in the UK!!!

LukeFR

65 posts

135 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Regular user of this road and I cannot see it making much of a difference if I am honest, it's just a very busy area.

BlueMR2

8,653 posts

202 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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LukeFR said:
Regular user of this road and I cannot see it making much of a difference if I am honest, it's just a very busy area.
Have you noticed how they spend huge amounts of money for no gain after or even make it worse after, whilst adding a couple of years of driving hell while they sit next to the road drinking tea and coffee.

Must be nice and profitable knowing the people who give out these contracts.

LukeFR

65 posts

135 months

Thursday 17th July 2014
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BlueMR2 said:
Have you noticed how they spend huge amounts of money for no gain after or even make it worse after, whilst adding a couple of years of driving hell while they sit next to the road drinking tea and coffee.

Must be nice and profitable knowing the people who give out these contracts.
It's stupid isn't it? Same with the M62 with the hell they caused on there...

It's going to chaos around here - Horsforth, Rodley and Thornbury Barrack roundabouts. That is literally the main routes to get anywhere near my work...

TheBALDpuma

5,842 posts

168 months

Friday 18th July 2014
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I go over this roundabout twice a day and I'm prettyu nervous about the chaos the works are going to cause! The main problem is a commute from Rawdon to Chapel Allerton. If it's bad I'm going to go via Bramhope during the roadworks! Twice a week in rush hour I have to go from Rawdon to the far side of horsfoth, so have no other choice. I will often go through the old bit of rawdon, and thn turn right at the bayton lane cross roads, bringing me out pretty close to the roundabout. This can save me 15 mins when it's really busy! Don't tell everyone though!

I have no idea what these plans will do in the long run, but something does need to be done. Bradford CC did a load of work at the equally bad Saltaire roundabout which I use at rush hour once a week, and that is now 100x better.