Bradford Rally action - Aug 16

Bradford Rally action - Aug 16

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Guiseley

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197 posts

168 months

Sunday 7th June 2015
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What would it take to get you to venture into Bradford?

Quattro, RS200, 6R4, 037, Stratos, S4 Delta, 308, WRX running live and unleashed enough for you?



http://www.motionmotorsport.co.uk/bradford-classic...

Beejayhay

120 posts

105 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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hey ! Don't forget the GT4 ....that's celica ...none of your Cayman nonsense;) ... One of the guys from GT4OC is running his ST205, good effort considering some of the group B exotica on show.

sisley

157 posts

155 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Event cancelled due to lack of ticket sales

benjj

6,787 posts

162 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Not surprised really given location. Would have worked if they'd moved it 20 miles in any direction.

Shame though.

Dave.

7,324 posts

252 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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I don't get it, isn't this how everyone drives through Bradford? silly

https://youtu.be/Ct4amxTQbMo

Beejayhay

120 posts

105 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Stangely enough the email from the organisers to those taking part states that the MSA contacted the Council scaremongering about what happened at the Jim Clark Memorial, claim the Council then got cold feet....

anothernameitist

1,500 posts

134 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Think the refund is a megre amount too

Drumroll

3,738 posts

119 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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The other side is why did they think they could run a rally stage without getting a permit?

velocemitch

3,795 posts

219 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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Drumroll said:
The other side is why did they think they could run a rally stage without getting a permit?
That's the real explanation, by the time they realised it was too late. Very amateurish and not fair to blame the MSA

KarlMac

4,457 posts

140 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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Is this going ahead then? Wouldn't mind a drive out.

Wingo

298 posts

170 months

Saturday 11th July 2015
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It's off as far as I know. There was no timing of the cars involved so no RACMSA permit was required.

Rally Day at casttle combe runs all sorts of cars, with a range of drivers some of which are very well known, without the need for an MSA permit.

There was an event near coventry earlier this year on public roads with racing cars, again no timing involved and no MSA permit as far as I know.

The frighteners got put on the council who own the park where the event was based, the MSA got in touch with the council and regaled them with a doomsday scenario.

There are a good few events with demostration runs that happen without the need for an MSA permit. Not to mention the hundreds of motorsport events where timing is done and the organisers operate outside the control of the RACMSA.

Karting, sprinting, short oval racing, drifting, and a good many more events that don't immediately spring to mind that run without MSA permits.

The IOPD sanction some of them.

Non MSA Karting is booming, often run by tracks and kart clubs that have given up on MSA sanctioned events. Easykart, a national championship dropped the MSA this year.

The RACMSA like people to think they are the only game in town but they aren't


Wingo

velocemitch

3,795 posts

219 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Wingo said:
It's off as far as I know. There was no timing of the cars involved so no RACMSA permit was required.

Rally Day at casttle combe runs all sorts of cars, with a range of drivers some of which are very well known, without the need for an MSA permit.

There was an event near coventry earlier this year on public roads with racing cars, again no timing involved and no MSA permit as far as I know.

The frighteners got put on the council who own the park where the event was based, the MSA got in touch with the council and regaled them with a doomsday scenario.

There are a good few events with demostration runs that happen without the need for an MSA permit. Not to mention the hundreds of motorsport events where timing is done and the organisers operate outside the control of the RACMSA.

Karting, sprinting, short oval racing, drifting, and a good many more events that don't immediately spring to mind that run without MSA permits.

The IOPD sanction some of them.

Non MSA Karting is booming, often run by tracks and kart clubs that have given up on MSA sanctioned events. Easykart, a national championship dropped the MSA this year.

The RACMSA like people to think they are the only game in town but they aren't


Wingo
Well, as I said they approached our club to ask if we would 'front' the stage and get a permit for them. If the stage was to be held on public roads, then the MSA are the only game in town, because nobody else has been granted the authority by the government.

Wingo

298 posts

170 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Yes if it's closed public roads for a stage rally then the MSA are the only game in town.

But for motorsport that is not on closed public roads then the MSA are not the only game in town.

This event was not a special stage rally on public roads.

So a demonstration event with no timing does require an MSA permit?


Wingo.


Drumroll

3,738 posts

119 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Have you read or seen any of the publicity for this event/ the you tube video talks about cars "competing" and very naively shows several shots of rally cars with spectators standing on the course. Now either the cars were competing or they weren't if they weren't then the publicity for the event was wrong or they were and they were just trying to get round any "problems" by calling it demonstration runs (none of the pre-event publicity I have seen says anything about demonstration runs)

Wingo

298 posts

170 months

Monday 13th July 2015
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Yep, seen the flyer. makes no difference IMHO, the event wasn't a special stage rally, no timing.


There are caravan Rallies every weekend, that doesn't conjure up images in my mind of a V8 powered Mk2 escort dragging the remains of a caravan around a special stage!! I wasn't lucky enough to witness that spectacle back in the day.


velocemitch

3,795 posts

219 months

Tuesday 14th July 2015
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When the event was first being discussed the plan was to run a 'stage' on public roads. I don't know if that got diluted down or not. Perhaps it did, but they were still trying to get a permit a couple of months ago.

I marshalled on a caravan rally back in the seventies, full Sutton airfield I think. Clarkson would have loved that sport

Greensleeves

1,235 posts

202 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2015
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Event was always classed as a rally. We were always referred to as competitors or entrants. Entrants information stated that the regulations would be in accordance with MSA rulings and to the best of my knowledge, Bradford Council were always under the impression that it would be MSA permitted.

I understand there were issues with running competitive cars in close proximity to spectators, in particular near to the proposed location of a funfair or children's rides; and stage layouts were difficult to achieve in accordance with MSA recommendations. (I think I worded that diplomatically)

I think (IMO) the whole bang shoot will have been cancelled on H and S reasons.