can't stand this place anymore

can't stand this place anymore

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Geekman

2,863 posts

146 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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Thought you might all enjoy today's tale of woe:

I asked my French friends if they knew of a decent, reputable place that would fit two new tyres without ruining my alloys, and one of them told me about a place they'd worked at for two years who specialised in prestige cars, and are always extremely careful when fitting tyres.

I went there with him, and everything seemed really good - there were a couple of Porsches outside, and some mint looking classic cars being worked on. The owner said it'd cost me €40 to get the two tyres fitted and balanced, which seemed OK to me so I agreed to go ahead with it.

This was the result:









and loads of marks like you can see in the last picture all over the wheels where he must have used a crowbar or something to get the tyres off. You can also see his top class touch-up paint skills where he tried to remedy the situation.

When I asked him what the fk he was doing, he told me that this was normal for Jaguar wheels, as British wheels are much lower quality than the German cars he usually worked on. I pointed out that I'd had tyres fitted to these wheels several times in the past, including at dodgy backstreet places in London, and they sustained no damage whatsoever.

Naturally, I received absolutely no compensation for this, and was given the overall impression that they genuinely felt I was in the wrong. Had this happened in England, or indeed at a place where I wasn't with someone who was best friends with the moron who fitted the tyres, I'd have refused to leave until they'd given me the money for a refurb.

It was all incredibly awkward for my friend, as his family owns the hotel opposite the garage, and they all go to dinner together every few weeks, which is also how he ended up working there in the past. He offered to pay for a refurb himself but I refused as it wasn't really his fault. Just going to live with it for the moment and maybe get them refurbed in a few months when I've decided if I'm keeping or selling the car.

Fatt McMissile

330 posts

133 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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Sorry, but they're corrosion blisters and kerbing marks, obvious by their shape and you can actually see a blister in the top photo. It's possible the guy knocked one off when he put his wrench on the nut, the rest look as though they've been like that for a while. Can't see that you'd find a tyre fitter naive enough to compensate you for that.
Steve

Geekman

2,863 posts

146 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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Fatt McMissile said:
Sorry, but they're corrosion blisters and kerbing marks, obvious by their shape and you can actually see a blister in the top photo. It's possible the guy knocked one off when he put his wrench on the nut, the rest look as though they've been like that for a while. Can't see that you'd find a tyre fitter naive enough to compensate you for that.
Steve
I can assure you 100% they're not, as I looked the wheels over myself when it was parked outside the garage and they were mint, as they have been for the last year or so. He quite happily admitted he'd done it, just wasn't bothered about it.

anotherjohnv

1,285 posts

197 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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that's not corrosion confused

Russwhitehouse

962 posts

131 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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I had all four wheels on the Healey damaged when I had the tyres changed.I also had to take the wheels off myself as he had no idea what spin ons were. To be fair, i could see no heavy handling on his part during the process, as needless to say, i stayed and watched. They just seemed to get marked during their time on the table and on the balancing machine. They just don't seem to take enough care when doing the job.

Driller

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8,310 posts

278 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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That's because people here have no appreciation of the value of things, they just don't give a fk.

Property is theft for these communists.

Just got a taxi from the hotel to the SNCF station in Biarritz. Taxi driver throws the suitcase in the boot aeemingly in more of a hurry than us (and we don't hang around) and when she sees our pushchair she goes right off on one.

"What do you want me to do with that? You should have told me you had a pushchair I can't get that in here!"

"Well can't we put it on the back seat?"

"No way! You'll mess up the car! I can't take it bla bla bla weep weep weep scowl scowl"

I took the wheels off and it slid into the boot next to the suitcase and bags. She spent the whole journey cursing out loud about the traffic.

So no, it's not just in the Paris area that these rude, uncivilised fks give you an earful apparently it's the South too.

ETA I add that I was perfectly civil the whole time so no excuses for her behaviour.

Edited by Driller on Sunday 17th May 11:34

emss

82 posts

148 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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Hi,

One could think you seem to attract all morons around like a magnet.

But, one could also think you turn the people you meet into morons, because being so unlucky is hardly conceivable.

Éric

paulwirral

3,133 posts

135 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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I've never really had a problem with the french , lived there a couple of years and now have a holiday home .
There's been a couple of times people were arsey but it's not that bad .
I'm thinking it's time for driller to sell up and come home ?

Driller

Original Poster:

8,310 posts

278 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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emss said:
Hi,

One could think you seem to attract all morons around like a magnet.

But, one could also think you turn the people you meet into morons, because being so unlucky is hardly conceivable.

Éric
Éric, you're point would be a fair one but following this logic I would have the same problem with everyone in all of the countries I've visited.

However I only see this in France and I'm not the only one.

paulwirral said:
I'm thinking it's time for driller to sell up and come home ?
I would love to Paul but I can't.

Edited by Driller on Sunday 17th May 22:00

paulwirral

3,133 posts

135 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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Driller said:
I would love to Paul but I can't.

Edited by Driller on Sunday 17th May 22:00
I'll be down in the dordogne most of July , and back for September into October , your welcome to come over for an English night if your missing it , I'll even bring some English beers for you ! Or beans and sausages on toast if your missing it really badly

mikey77

707 posts

188 months

Monday 18th May 2015
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You're lucky you got a taxi ride at all Driller. My friends were left to walk recently after their ordered taxi pulled up, the driver noticed they had a toddler with them and refused to take them as his car didn't have a child seat fitted. Although maybe that's common these days?

Sheepshanks

32,757 posts

119 months

Monday 18th May 2015
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Just heard that a French colleague is moving back to the UK only a year after leaving as he can't take living in France any more!

Driller

Original Poster:

8,310 posts

278 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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paulwirral said:
I'll be down in the dordogne most of July , and back for September into October , your welcome to come over for an English night if your missing it , I'll even bring some English beers for you ! Or beans and sausages on toast if your missing it really badly
That's a very kind offer Paul, next time I'm down that way I'll give you a shout. I'll bring some M&S bacon!

I could live without the food though TBH, it's just people's attitude that gets you down.

A common lawyer

319 posts

128 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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mikey77 said:
You're lucky you got a taxi ride at all Driller. My friends were left to walk recently after their ordered taxi pulled up, the driver noticed they had a toddler with them and refused to take them as his car didn't have a child seat fitted. Although maybe that's common these days?
You don't need a car seat to ride in a taxi with a kid, worringly enough...

But yeah, I was cheering on Uber and LeCab when they came to Paris!

emss

82 posts

148 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Hi,

Driller said:
Éric, you're point would be a fair one but following this logic I would have the same problem with everyone in all of the countries I've visited.
There are many valid points in your concerns, but I expect you're not having issues with everyone you meet in France.
Driller said:
However I only see this in France and I'm not the only one.
My dulcinea is an english teacher and we're in touch with a British expatriates club in our area, I've heard some rants, but they never reached your virulence.
Maybe they like us and therefore don't want to offend us, that could be an explanation wink

Éric

mikey77

707 posts

188 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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Just to stir up the 'what's wrong with France' issue again, I spotted this when I glanced into a laundrette while strolling along a street in Sete the other day.
I suppose one working in five is not bad. There was also a big sign saying 'don't come in here if you don't wash'. Fat chance...

Incidentally, on the way home we stopped overnight at Chaudes-Aigues in the Auvergne, the town with the hottest natural springs in all France. Water comes out of the ground at 82C and they heat more than half the town with it. Even the public lavoir has running hot water. But was the hot water in the hotel working? Nope.

Driller

Original Poster:

8,310 posts

278 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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emss said:
Hi,

Driller said:
Éric, you're point would be a fair one but following this logic I would have the same problem with everyone in all of the countries I've visited.
There are many valid points in your concerns, but I expect you're not having issues with everyone you meet in France.
Of course not Eric but the issues that I, and apparently others, are having are not the sort of problems you expect to have in decent society especially when it's uncalled for.

Believe it or not I am an extremely polite and considerate person, the trouble is I expect the same from others and if I get abuse or indifference after I've been decent/polite then I am as disagreeable as I can be courteous. It also drives me insane. It's a cliché but I'm a man of principles and I stand by them.

C'est juste non?
emss said:
Driller said:
However I only see this in France and I'm not the only one.
My dulcinea is an english teacher and we're in touch with a British expatriates club in our area, I've heard some rants, but they never reached your virulence.
Maybe they like us and therefore don't want to offend us, that could be an explanation winkÉric
Your suggestion is that I just "don't like" French people. If you went back through my long post history here (you won't want to waste your time obviously!) you'd see that I often complained about the English's knee-jerk, indoctrinated dislike for the French often coming from people who have never been to France but who just regurgitate the stereotypical crap about not washing and hairy armpits that everyone else does.

If my take seems slightly different or more extreme than other Brits you've spoken to then maybe it's because I'm running a business here and have to deal with all the associated far left crap including ridiculously high charges (for example my obligatory pension charges have just DOUBLED for my non-existent pension) and frustrating, prejudiced employment law. I've certainly felt more hard done by here since I opened my practice a few years ago. These constant difficulties amplify everyday annoyances.

If you've have any experience running a business in France you'll know what I mean. But it is certainly not restricted to this by any means as the thread shows.



Edited by Driller on Saturday 30th May 16:35

velocitas

225 posts

159 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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Interesting read this.... I worked on secondment in Paris for a year (flown in to tidy up a banking cock up). My memory of it is great food, clubs, women and great friends.

While I absolutely loved it, I whole heartily would not work there again. In the 12 months I was there my colleagues spent all their time finding ways not to move forward and instead spending endless meetings looking for faults in any plans to help them. The country is paralyzed by their own arrogance.

My plan is to return to retire, wherein I can enjoy all the benefits of their socialist system and cheap wine!

emss

82 posts

148 months

Thursday 11th June 2015
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Hi,

Driller said:
Your suggestion is that I just "don't like" French people.
Not at all, I just think you somewhat over react wink

Driller said:
If my take seems slightly different or more extreme than other Brits you've spoken to then maybe it's because I'm running a business here and have to deal with all the associated far left crap including ridiculously high charges (for example my obligatory pension charges have just DOUBLED for my non-existent pension) and frustrating, prejudiced employment law. I've certainly felt more hard done by here since I opened my practice a few years ago. These constant difficulties amplify everyday annoyances.

If you've have any experience running a business in France you'll know what I mean. But it is certainly not restricted to this by any means as the thread shows.
I do not run a business, but my father has, and I've been an associate in a small IT company, so I think I understand what you're talking about.

Social dialog is most of the time a real pain, the "services fiscaux" assume that everyone frauds and then rise taxes to ridiculous levels, in fact, many people fraud ("Travail au noir"), but in the end, only those who don't are penalized.

Éric

A common lawyer

319 posts

128 months

Wednesday 17th June 2015
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Driller said:
... maybe it's because I'm running a business here and have to deal with all the associated far left crap including ridiculously high charges (for example my obligatory pension charges have just DOUBLED for my non-existent pension) and frustrating, prejudiced employment law. I've certainly felt more hard done by here since I opened my practice a few years ago. These constant difficulties amplify everyday annoyances.

If you've have any experience running a business in France you'll know what I mean.
Indeed... I cut back on work recently, and the various bodies simply refused to believe I was choosing to earn less (to spend time with my kids). They insisted that I pay as if I were earning my previous years' income, plus 5% or so. Result is that they now owe me about 10k. Of course, they won't send me a cheque, but will only set it off against a future liability. Seriously tempted to shut up shop just to trigger the payment, and then start up again (being VERY careful to stay below the various thresholds). Farcical. Funnily, Impots are fine, it's just URSSAF and RSI that are completely useless, especially, it seems, when confronted with a downward income trend. And these days, I can't be the only one with that trend, deliberately or otherwise.

I take comfort in the fact that reform is inevitable.