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S100HP

12,697 posts

168 months

Monday 15th April
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Odds on Pogacar making it a clean sweep of the 3 grand tours this year given his form and the incident the other week taking out some big names? He's already said he'd do the Giro, and if he won both, Im sure he'd have a pop at the Vuelta...

lauda

3,489 posts

208 months

Monday 15th April
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Personally, I think the rider whose chances of winning the Tour have increased the most is Roglic. Whilst I'd fancy Pogacar to beat him if they were both coming to the Tour fresh, if he rides the Giro to win, I think he'll have his work cut out against Roglic and a very focused Bora.

We've seen before that whilst Pogacar is a generational talent, he's by no means unbeatable. And I think Roglic will savour the opportunity of dishing out a little payback for 2020.

johnpsanderson

509 posts

201 months

Monday 15th April
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WestyCarl said:
LM240 said:
Paris Roubaix.. probably my favourite of the one day races.

Just incredible performance from MVDP today.

The speed and aggressive style of racing is just bonkers.

Pretty much 30mph average for 160 miles!!! That’s crazy over pan flat tarmac, let alone over the cobbled sections.
Agreed and the apparent ease that MVDP just rode away from the bunch was incredible.
A French speaking friend who I watch Roubaix with most years told me that the day after plenty of French Facebook cycling groups were grumbling about VdP having a motor!

To be fair, Cancellara and Boonen both made it look easy the years they similarly jetted off the front to win solo.

oddball1313

1,196 posts

124 months

Tuesday 16th April
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johnpsanderson said:
WestyCarl said:
LM240 said:
Paris Roubaix.. probably my favourite of the one day races.

Just incredible performance from MVDP today.

The speed and aggressive style of racing is just bonkers.

Pretty much 30mph average for 160 miles!!! That’s crazy over pan flat tarmac, let alone over the cobbled sections.
Agreed and the apparent ease that MVDP just rode away from the bunch was incredible.
A French speaking friend who I watch Roubaix with most years told me that the day after plenty of French Facebook cycling groups were grumbling about VdP having a motor!

To be fair, Cancellara and Boonen both made it look easy the years they similarly jetted off the front to win solo.
There’s no way in 2024 you would get away with it - UCI would make sure that his bike was clean as whistle before and after the race.

S100HP

12,697 posts

168 months

Tuesday 16th April
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To be fair the same was said about Cancellara back in the day

oddball1313

1,196 posts

124 months

Tuesday 16th April
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S100HP said:
To be fair the same was said about Cancellara back in the day
was the possible existence of motors known about around 2010?

Correvor

139 posts

34 months

Tuesday 16th April
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oddball1313 said:
was the possible existence of motors known about around 2010?
100% - I remember there being videos of Cancellara

S100HP

12,697 posts

168 months

Tuesday 16th April
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oddball1313 said:
S100HP said:
To be fair the same was said about Cancellara back in the day
was the possible existence of motors known about around 2010?
Yep, quite a bit of speculation about it at the time. Just had a quick Google, couple of bits to read if interested

https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-racing/fo...

https://www.granfondoguide.com/Contents/Index/3323...

Feels like only yesterday, can't believe it was 14 years ago. I'm getting old.

andyA700

2,748 posts

38 months

Thursday 18th April
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Stevie Williams, first British male winner of the Fleche Wallonne. Brilliant effort!

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/stevie-williams...

ArnageWRC

2,069 posts

160 months

Saturday 20th April
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S100HP said:
oddball1313 said:
S100HP said:
To be fair the same was said about Cancellara back in the day
was the possible existence of motors known about around 2010?
Yep, quite a bit of speculation about it at the time. Just had a quick Google, couple of bits to read if interested

https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-racing/fo...

https://www.granfondoguide.com/Contents/Index/3323...

Feels like only yesterday, can't believe it was 14 years ago. I'm getting old.
The first known motor doping case was in 2016; women's U23 CX Worlds at Zolder when the pre race favourite Femke Van den Driesche was found to have a motor in her bike - sadly, this story overshadowed the win of GB's Evie Richards; who has since been XCO World Champion.

Talksteer

4,888 posts

234 months

Wednesday 24th April
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lauda said:
Personally, I think the rider whose chances of winning the Tour have increased the most is Roglic. Whilst I'd fancy Pogacar to beat him if they were both coming to the Tour fresh, if he rides the Giro to win, I think he'll have his work cut out against Roglic and a very focused Bora.

We've seen before that whilst Pogacar is a generational talent, he's by no means unbeatable. And I think Roglic will savour the opportunity of dishing out a little payback for 2020.
Pogacar is still human, physiologically there are plenty of riders with similar FTP/kg, where he's a little unusual is that he's good at pretty much everything.

Again that's a factor of people being able to train like a pro with diet, monitors and power pretty much as soon as they've finished their growth spurt.

When riders were first getting into scientific training (and no that's not a euphemism for drugs) with power and monitoring they started applying it to specialisation and as a result we ended up with specialists being unbeatable by generalists in their domain. Gradually I suspect that they are working out that with the exception of the most specialised sprinters the physiology is pretty similar for most efforts and that you don't really loose anything by training for everything.

The second bit of it is that better bikes and wide tyres mean that the skill of riding cobbles is reduced so that again the rider with the best FTP/kg frequently wins.

Finally as the levels and professionalism in the pro peleton equalises all races and race stages are hard, the basic minimum wage domestique has an ftp/kg of about 6w/kg and thus you rarely end up with isolated team leaders. They normally go head to head and the best rider wins. Furthermore with scientific race schedules those best riders will then be pretty consistently good so they end up with incredible win/loss ratios.

NaePasaran

622 posts

58 months

Day 2 of the Giro about to start in an hour or two and this thread is about to be relegated into page 2 of the forum.

No-one tuning in?

lauda

3,489 posts

208 months

I’m watching but I don’t feel like there’s an awful lot of jeopardy in the result. Watching UAE ripping the peloton to pieces yesterday and dropping the likes of Bardet was rather ominous.

Slaav

4,262 posts

211 months

lauda said:
I’m watching but I don’t feel like there’s an awful lot of jeopardy in the result. Watching UAE ripping the peloton to pieces yesterday and dropping the likes of Bardet was rather ominous.
I’m looking forward to watching the highlights tonight as was stunned at it almost blowing apart yesterday. Very glad for the winner (in case folks haven’t seen the result,) and I can’t remember a first stage in any recent times (TT and TTT aside) where such gaps popped up - regardless of final gaps?

It was certainly a ‘statement’ of intent!

z4RRSchris

11,332 posts

180 months

ITT on friday, then mountain stage saturday.

pog is on another level

S100HP

12,697 posts

168 months

lauda said:
I’m watching but I don’t feel like there’s an awful lot of jeopardy in the result. Watching UAE ripping the peloton to pieces yesterday and dropping the likes of Bardet was rather ominous.
It's a clinic. He's on another level.

DeejRC

5,823 posts

83 months

I turned over from Toulouse v Quinns at half time and slotted nicely into the last 10km of stage 2.
Avg 24kph @ 7% incline then Pog hit the burners on 11% incline. Went upto 27kph. BoC tried to stick with him but paid a price losing 1min in the end. G was easily best of the rest but played safe and secure. I’m presuming the game plan there is stay in the game, be best of the rest and pick up any mishap from Pog for the win.
Discounting Pog though, I’d say G is in some fair shape as I think he could have ridden away and “gapped” the rest of the lead group over that last 5km if he pushed. Not bad for the old man!

thepritch

568 posts

166 months

I see Gesink crashed and broke his hand so is now out.

Not huge news as such, but just makes you think. You work so hard to get in shape, to peak and perform at a race that is part of your year goal, and it ends so abruptly, likely outside of your control.

Not the first, or last rider to injure themselves in the first day or so of a GT, but just felt sorry for him.

ArnageWRC

2,069 posts

160 months

Downhill at Fort Bill anybody.........Elite wins for 'Super' Bruni & Vali Holl......

andyA700

2,748 posts

38 months

S100HP said:
lauda said:
I’m watching but I don’t feel like there’s an awful lot of jeopardy in the result. Watching UAE ripping the peloton to pieces yesterday and dropping the likes of Bardet was rather ominous.
It's a clinic. He's on another level.
The fact that the commentators were making comparisons with Panatni was very telling IMHO, and not in a good way.