Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter

Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter

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dobbo_

14,407 posts

249 months

Sunday 5th May
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It isn't Twitters policy. It's Musks

He is interacting with white nationalist users and reinstating white nationalist figureheads

Against the backdrop of his particular brand of racism... As I said join the dots

EddieSteadyGo

12,108 posts

204 months

Sunday 5th May
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dobbo_ said:
It isn't Twitters policy. It's Musks

He is interacting with white nationalist users and reinstating white nationalist figureheads

Against the backdrop of his particular brand of racism... As I said join the dots
You have said that a few times. I know you think think he is a closet racist (or maybe even an overt racist). I remember the examples you have given previously for concluding that. For me, personally, I'm not convinced. But then I think there is a high bar to reach that conclusion. For example, I also didn't think Jeremy Corbyn was an anti-semite, even though you could have said the same thing about 'joining the dots' in that case as well.

robscot

2,253 posts

191 months

Sunday 5th May
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It is easy to get caught up in the ‘platform’ stuff that seems to make facebook or twitter seem other worldly.

In effect a bloke has a website and allows multiple authors to post on it.

If you or I run a blog and let nutters, nazis or trolls post on it I imagine it would reflect badly on us.

It is worth keeping some perspective.

NRS

22,249 posts

202 months

Monday 6th May
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EddieSteadyGo said:
We have covered this previously, at length, a few weeks ago. But in case it isn't obvious, I agree with your assertions about Fuentes' views. But I also think Twitter's policy, using the law as the basis for deciding the limits of free speech, makes sense in principle, even if it isn't financially optimal. It just needs to be applied consistently, which is why I said previously I disagreed with Musk banning the guy who was releasing detail of his plane's location, as that wasn't illegal either.
So then it’s not principles, it’s just selective applying of someone’s views.

dobbo_

14,407 posts

249 months

Monday 6th May
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If interacting with and signal boosting white supremacists, whilst reinstating white supremacist figureheads and also constantly promoting the great replacement theory and promoting lies about immigrants isn't enough to clear your bar for what is a racist well... I dunno what to say.

Byker28i

60,539 posts

218 months

Thursday 9th May
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They've put Neuralink into a human

Elon Musk’s startup Neuralink said part of its brain implant malfunctioned after it put the system in a human patient for the first time.
But in the weeks afterward, a number of threads have retracted from Arbaugh’s brain,
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/08/neuralinks-first-i...

Byker28i

60,539 posts

218 months

Saturday 11th May
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Just can't help himself pushing disinformation

off_again

12,371 posts

235 months

Saturday 11th May
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Byker28i said:
Just can't help himself pushing disinformation
Utter stbag.

Its well known that a non-citizen cannot vote (except for a couple of very specific local elections in certain counties) and its punishable by 180 days to 5 years (for repeat offenses) and you are very likely to get deported.

Even a green card holder who votes runs the risk of prison for a year.

I have no idea why the techno-god genius keeps continuing to peddle these lies? He is the genius but continues to push this nonsense.

Byker28i

60,539 posts

218 months

Sunday 12th May
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Twitter has reinstated the accounts of Stop the Steal organiser Ali Alexander and right-wing commentator Milo Yiannopoulos.

Alexander's account was banned days after the Jan 6 Capitol riot, before being reinstated and then suspended again in 2023.
Yiannopoulos was banned in 2016.

Free speech provided they push the lies Musk wants to push?

hidetheelephants

24,699 posts

194 months

Sunday 12th May
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Freeze peach for scumbag edgelords like Milo? He really is a massive tt.

off_again

12,371 posts

235 months

Thursday
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I know that this is a dump on Musk thread, but hey, why not....

Well, Reuters have doubled down on their reporting around the firing of the Supercharger team. It was rumored before, but now there are confirmations of it. The head of the Supercharger division was told to make cuts, so she did. Musk demanded more, she pushed back and said that it would impact the plans. Musk then retaliated and fired her and the complete team. Nice, what a reasonable, respectful and honest individual.....

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportat...

And remember that 'a Cybertruck is faster in the 1/4 mile than a Porsche 911, while towing a 911' statement? Yeah, bunch of people called it out and said that it wasnt accurate, but Tesla and Musk being what / who the are, doubled down and continued to push this. When there was proof that they didnt actually make the 1/4 mile, but actually did the 1/8th, Tesla still continued with this. Jason Fenski did a great video debunking it with maths.

Anyway, Motortrend have replicated the test and even weighted it in favor of the Cybertruck and it still didnt match the results that Tesla faked. Ok, so it was able to show that what the Cybertruck is capable of is impressive, it still wasnt able to beat the 911:

https://youtu.be/K0AJmLvKjxw

To be fair, the Cybertruck did manage to win one out of three to the 1/8th but lost all 3 to the 1/4 mile. So yeah, usual stuff from Tesla again. Why does anyone ever trust anything that this man says?

hehe

CraigyMc

16,473 posts

237 months

Thursday
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off_again said:
Why does anyone ever trust anything that this man says?
If you've ever driven a tesla, or watched a pair of Falcon 9's landing, that's why.

EddieSteadyGo

12,108 posts

204 months

Thursday
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off_again said:
I know that this is a dump on Musk thread, but hey, why not....

Well, Reuters have doubled down on their reporting around the firing of the Supercharger team. It was rumored before, but now there are confirmations of it. The head of the Supercharger division was told to make cuts, so she did. Musk demanded more, she pushed back and said that it would impact the plans. Musk then retaliated and fired her and the complete team. Nice, what a reasonable, respectful and honest individual.....

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportat...
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There is a bit more context (which I posted on a different thread a couple of weeks ago, so all this all known information long before Reuters wrote their article).

Musk is putting in huge investment into solving FSD. But the current decline in EV sales, which is affecting many companies, could force Tesla to raise money going into next year if they don't make big cuts to their other areas of spend urgently.

Musk therefore decided he wanted to dramatically increase his number of direct reports in Tesla so he could get more visibility of what was happening. That is when Rebecca Tinucci, who was the head of the supercharging, became a direct report to Musk at that point.

He told Tinucci it was imperative she needed to make further big cuts to her team. Apparently it was 'known' the Supercharging team had the most excess capacity of any department in the company, and with declining sales, there was no need to accelerate as quickly with the build out of new chargers.

However, she pushed back, making all the obvious, logical arguments about the importance of their charging network to EV adoption rates etc etc. But Musk knows all of that - that's the reason they have the supercharging network in the first place.

I suspect she wasn't that used to 'managing upwards' and so didn't read the room. If Musk is telling you, there is a cash burn problem, and you must cut costs urgently, your next task is to start figuring out how to achieve that in the best possible way. You don't start 'pushing back' and resisting it. It's also suggested she threatened to hand in her resignation if Musk insisted on pushing through with his plans (talk about being delusional?). So, in a fit of pique, he sacked her. And said he was sacking the whole of her team, to make the point, on this issue, they don't have time for a debate, it just needs to get done.

I said at the time, I didn't think the whole of the charging team would actually end up being sacked. And that is also proving to be true. And whilst it created lurid headlines, and no doubt was not handled well, I suspect sacrificing Tinucci so brutally will have ensured that other senior managers don't procrastinate when it comes to saving money urgently.

soupdragon1

4,092 posts

98 months

Thursday
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EddieSteadyGo said:
off_again said:
I know that this is a dump on Musk thread, but hey, why not....

Well, Reuters have doubled down on their reporting around the firing of the Supercharger team. It was rumored before, but now there are confirmations of it. The head of the Supercharger division was told to make cuts, so she did. Musk demanded more, she pushed back and said that it would impact the plans. Musk then retaliated and fired her and the complete team. Nice, what a reasonable, respectful and honest individual.....

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportat...
....
There is a bit more context (which I posted on a different thread a couple of weeks ago, so all this all known information long before Reuters wrote their article).

Musk is putting in huge investment into solving FSD. But the current decline in EV sales, which is affecting many companies, could force Tesla to raise money going into next year if they don't make big cuts to their other areas of spend urgently.

Musk therefore decided he wanted to dramatically increase his number of direct reports in Tesla so he could get more visibility of what was happening. That is when Rebecca Tinucci, who was the head of the supercharging, became a direct report to Musk at that point.

He told Tinucci it was imperative she needed to make further big cuts to her team. Apparently it was 'known' the Supercharging team had the most excess capacity of any department in the company, and with declining sales, there was no need to accelerate as quickly with the build out of new chargers.

However, she pushed back, making all the obvious, logical arguments about the importance of their charging network to EV adoption rates etc etc. But Musk knows all of that - that's the reason they have the supercharging network in the first place.

I suspect she wasn't that used to 'managing upwards' and so didn't read the room. If Musk is telling you, there is a cash burn problem, and you must cut costs urgently, your next task is to start figuring out how to achieve that in the best possible way. You don't start 'pushing back' and resisting it. It's also suggested she threatened to hand in her resignation if Musk insisted on pushing through with his plans (talk about being delusional?). So, in a fit of pique, he sacked her. And said he was sacking the whole of her team, to make the point, on this issue, they don't have time for a debate, it just needs to get done.

I said at the time, I didn't think the whole of the charging team would actually end up being sacked. And that is also proving to be true. And whilst it created lurid headlines, and no doubt was not handled well, I suspect sacrificing Tinucci so brutally will have ensured that other senior managers don't procrastinate when it comes to saving money urgently.
Not going to disagree with any of that. I don't agree with the underlying sentiment though. It shows a complete lack of leadership qualities.

It would all make logical sense if there 'was no other way'. Musk behavior/leadership is more in line with a 16th century King rather than being a modern day leader. It's actually possible to lead a team without being an asshole. You can be brutally hard while retaining standards, respect and values.

He's simply reconfirmed the view that you challenge him at your peril. That's not a healthy way to lead.

CoolHands

18,761 posts

196 months

Thursday
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But it’s the employees own fault for working for him. At least recognise if you get paid while you’re there all good, but don’t expect loyalty.

EddieSteadyGo

12,108 posts

204 months

Thursday
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soupdragon1 said:
Not going to disagree with any of that. I don't agree with the underlying sentiment though. It shows a complete lack of leadership qualities.

It would all make logical sense if there 'was no other way'. Musk behavior/leadership is more in line with a 16th century King rather than being a modern day leader. It's actually possible to lead a team without being an asshole. You can be brutally hard while retaining standards, respect and values.

He's simply reconfirmed the view that you challenge him at your peril. That's not a healthy way to lead.
I agree it isn't a healthy way to lead. He could have taken more time to explain to Tinucci the seriousness of the current cash-burn situation. He knew she wasn't used to being one of his direct reports, and I'm sure her motivation was to protect 'her' team because of the value she knows it creates for Tesla. And I'm also sure given a little bit more time, Tinucci would have acquiesced, and a lot of additional, unnecessary disruption could have been avoided.


dobbo_

14,407 posts

249 months

CraigyMc said:
off_again said:
Why does anyone ever trust anything that this man says?
If you've ever driven a tesla, or watched a pair of Falcon 9's landing, that's why.
I've driven a Tesla and watched a falcon 9 land. I still think he's a person starting with c and ending with unt.

Killboy

7,453 posts

203 months

CoolHands said:
But it’s the employees own fault for working for him. At least recognise if you get paid while you’re there all good, but don’t expect loyalty.
Anyone working for him at this point should know what they are in for.

EddieSteadyGo

12,108 posts

204 months

Killboy said:
Anyone working for him at this point should know what they are in for.
They will already know. But it seems he also pays good money, which would be a mitigating factor for many people. There was a video here from a factory supervisor being paid $100k IIRC taking into account stock options. And one of their senior team, Drew Baglino, who 'resigned' a few weeks ago just sold $180 million worth of Tesla shares, and I doubt that was all of his holdings. That's substantial compensation - I would even work for him for that money!

Killboy

7,453 posts

203 months

EddieSteadyGo said:
They will already know. But it seems he also pays good money, which would be a mitigating factor for many people. There was a video here from a factory supervisor being paid $100k IIRC taking into account stock options. And one of their senior team, Drew Baglino, who 'resigned' a few weeks ago just sold $180 million worth of Tesla shares, and I doubt that was all of his holdings. That's substantial compensation - I would even work for him for that money!
100k is not a lot of money, more so if part of it is stock and not basic pay, especially in the US.

Saying Drew Baglino is one of the "senior team" is somewhat short changing him. But he knows what he's doing wink