Sunday Times & C4 due to drop a big story [Russell Brand]

Has he sued for libel yet?

Are you directing this at anyone in particular or just sending it out to the world in general?

"Innocent until proven guilty"

Explain being put on remand then

It's going to cause a bit of a stir when the baptism water starts boiling and emitting a sulphurous essence as soon as it touches him.

Upon reflection, you are correct.

‘people of money, power and influence’ would have been a more accurate description.

Bloody hell Stewie !

I’ve met several guys in prison who were there on nothing more than a single allegation, their entire lives ruined. It was only after 10-12 months inside when the Police / CPS finally concluded that there was “no case to answer” were they free…..

Except they weren’t. They’d lost their homes, their jobs, their dignity and their reputation. They’d lost everything.

I thought you were a pretty liberal chap, and it was I who was the ‘far-right extremist’, but I’ve always favoured innocent until proven guilty as opposed to trail by media, here-say, rumours and the Court of (the ill-informed) public opinion.

Yes, RB is a bit of a git. But until he’s found guilty, he should remain innocent. In much the same way that I would view you if the boot were on the other foot.

I have to ask; If similar allegations had been made against Owen Jones for example, would your position remain the same?

I believe I’m suitably qualified to answer that question.

Prisoners can be place on remand for a number of reasons;

The seriousness of the allegations against them.
The perceived flight risk.
To prevent witness or victim intimidation.
To prevent further offending.
To preserve any evidence.
The strength of evidence against the accused at point of arrest is such that a custodial sentence is likely.

Or all of the above.


But…..just because a prisoner is placed on Remand, it doesn’t mean that they are guilty. HMP consider all remand prisoners to be innocent until such time as they are either found guilty or they enter a guilty plea, (as in actually enter one, not give an indication of entering one prior to PCMH).

There can sometimes be a very long time between Remand and Trial. It all depends on the nature of the offence, how many witnesses to give statements/evidence, which court and so on.

In theory this shouldn't matter, because time on Remand is counted towards any eventual term of imprisonment. But if the accused is innocent and gets acquitted it's all very unfortunate.

In this case he's probably either Released Under Investigation or on Police Bail.

I think Brand’s profile is a little more than a ‘bit of a git’.

Cosmo article lays it all out nicely

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a45265640/...

He is a bad man.
He may have had a very convenient damascene experience over the last few years but he still did that stuff.

For which he has been interviewed under caution multiple times.

Yes. Absolutely has he been found guilty?
Nope.
Strangely Saville never was either.

And his behaviour was an open secret in celeb land.

That said it is still worth posting Sean Lock’s takedown on the tt every few months on this thread.

https://youtu.be/r7S9qMOmP4o?si=MQ67g9touDWdfiwg

If you think I'd ride to Owen Jones rescue I'm afraid you've backed the wrong horse.

You're absolutely right that legally you're innocent until proven guilty.

My point is that in the real world people form a view all the time based on behaviours and third party claims and descriptions and those views often aren't based on the outcome of a court case because there often isn't a court case.

People do that all the time and the legal bar is a very high bar.

If your mum or sister and mum and cousin all come and tell you your best mate did to them the things people have alleged Brand has done to them and your best mate is interviewed under caution (several times) I'm guessing that you don't say "well there hasn't been a court case so I'm off for a pint with him tonight" do you?

Even if you think your best mate is a "bit of a git".