Policing of pro Palestinian marches
Discussion
Countdown said:
Vanden Saab said:
John Mann is an interesting character to be talking about anti-semitism training bearing in mind he owns a antisemitism training company.
Isn't that specifically why he's been appointed as the Antisemitism Tsar? Wouldn't it be logical to have somebody in that role who is an expert on the subject?Vanden Saab said:
Countdown said:
Vanden Saab said:
John Mann is an interesting character to be talking about anti-semitism training bearing in mind he owns a antisemitism training company.
Isn't that specifically why he's been appointed as the Antisemitism Tsar? Wouldn't it be logical to have somebody in that role who is an expert on the subject?Solocle said:
I didn't know Falter had changed career - he's pretty good at writing fantasy fiction, it seems.rscott said:
Solocle said:
I didn't know Falter had changed career - he's pretty good at writing fantasy fiction, it seems.As many of us have been saying on this thread over and over again.
We get the police have a problem. The issue is that many of the organisers of the marches should have been banned along time ago and that they aren’t is exacerbating the problem. It isn’t just now banned Hizb ut-Tahrir. There are a large number of organisations attempting to incite terrror. From a number of significant mosques in especially east London.
Even the Met are now (finally) acknowledging these hate marches are causing fear ajd uncer5ainty amongst Jewish people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13355957/...
Also note "..., 415 arrests have been made during the protests - including 193 for antisemitic offences and 15 terrorism arrests.."
Yet these are peaceful protests some on here support and have even joined.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13355957/...
Also note "..., 415 arrests have been made during the protests - including 193 for antisemitic offences and 15 terrorism arrests.."
Yet these are peaceful protests some on here support and have even joined.
williamp said:
Even the Met are now (finally) acknowledging these hate marches are causing fear ajd uncer5ainty amongst Jewish people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13355957/...
Also note "..., 415 arrests have been made during the protests - including 193 for antisemitic offences and 15 terrorism arrests.."
Yet these are peaceful protests some on here support and have even joined.
Or on the other hand how many thousands of people have been protesting? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13355957/...
Also note "..., 415 arrests have been made during the protests - including 193 for antisemitic offences and 15 terrorism arrests.."
Yet these are peaceful protests some on here support and have even joined.
If you can be bothered to think about how many people actually attend versus how many are there causing issues I think you'll see it's a very small minority, we can't simply ban protest based on the behaviour of a very few that attend.
I support anyone's right to protest peacefully, deal with the trouble makers but why ban it for everyone?
Should we ban local football derby games as a small percentage of the crowd want to fight? How about the Notting Hill Carnival, plenty of crime there but also the majority of the attendees are only there for a good time.
Greendubber said:
Or on the other hand how many thousands of people have been protesting?
If you can be bothered to think about how many people actually attend versus how many are there causing issues I think you'll see it's a very small minority, we can't simply ban protest based on the behaviour of a very few that attend.
I support anyone's right to protest peacefully, deal with the trouble makers but why ban it for everyone?
Should we ban local football derby games as a small percentage of the crowd want to fight? How about the Notting Hill Carnival, plenty of crime there but also the majority of the attendees are only there for a good time.
At the same time for every arrest there will be more offences, and then substantially more conduct yet that doesn't cross the line into criminality, but will make most Jewish people nearby deeply uncomfortable, and then there's the potential for escalation.If you can be bothered to think about how many people actually attend versus how many are there causing issues I think you'll see it's a very small minority, we can't simply ban protest based on the behaviour of a very few that attend.
I support anyone's right to protest peacefully, deal with the trouble makers but why ban it for everyone?
Should we ban local football derby games as a small percentage of the crowd want to fight? How about the Notting Hill Carnival, plenty of crime there but also the majority of the attendees are only there for a good time.
It's not a black and white contrast between banning the protests entirely and allowing them relatively free reign.
A spectrum of conditions could be imposed on the protests, where they're currently a relatively light touch imo.
williamp said:
Nobody has mentionned banning the marches, but maybe we shohld recognise them as hate marches???
What percentage of British Jewry should we consider morally repugnant based on the actions of one Gideon Falter? Fwiw, I would say Gideon alone should be maligned for his actions and the rest of British Jewry left out of it.
But if we are tainting whole groups with the same brush strokes, do let me know.
Solocle said:
Greendubber said:
Or on the other hand how many thousands of people have been protesting?
If you can be bothered to think about how many people actually attend versus how many are there causing issues I think you'll see it's a very small minority, we can't simply ban protest based on the behaviour of a very few that attend.
I support anyone's right to protest peacefully, deal with the trouble makers but why ban it for everyone?
Should we ban local football derby games as a small percentage of the crowd want to fight? How about the Notting Hill Carnival, plenty of crime there but also the majority of the attendees are only there for a good time.
At the same time for every arrest there will be more offences, and then substantially more conduct yet that doesn't cross the line into criminality, but will make most Jewish people nearby deeply uncomfortable, and then there's the potential for escalation.If you can be bothered to think about how many people actually attend versus how many are there causing issues I think you'll see it's a very small minority, we can't simply ban protest based on the behaviour of a very few that attend.
I support anyone's right to protest peacefully, deal with the trouble makers but why ban it for everyone?
Should we ban local football derby games as a small percentage of the crowd want to fight? How about the Notting Hill Carnival, plenty of crime there but also the majority of the attendees are only there for a good time.
It's not a black and white contrast between banning the protests entirely and allowing them relatively free reign.
A spectrum of conditions could be imposed on the protests, where they're currently a relatively light touch imo.
How many marches have been carried out since October? Must be getting on for 30-odd every Saturday in London. Apart from intimidating our Jewish population & costing £millions in policing, what exactly has been achieved?
Ceasefire: nope
2 states: nope
Can't the participants see the utter futility of it all?
Ceasefire: nope
2 states: nope
Can't the participants see the utter futility of it all?
Biker 1 said:
How many marches have been carried out since October? Must be getting on for 30-odd every Saturday in London. Apart from intimidating our Jewish population & costing £millions in policing, what exactly has been achieved?
Ceasefire: nope
2 states: nope
Can't the participants see the utter futility of it all?
Not much, probably quite a bit of negativity towards their cause but they can still shout at the top of their lungs if they so wish.Ceasefire: nope
2 states: nope
Can't the participants see the utter futility of it all?
Unfortunately society just has to stomach it.
Greendubber said:
Biker 1 said:
How many marches have been carried out since October? Must be getting on for 30-odd every Saturday in London. Apart from intimidating our Jewish population & costing £millions in policing, what exactly has been achieved?
Ceasefire: nope
2 states: nope
Can't the participants see the utter futility of it all?
Not much, probably quite a bit of negativity towards their cause but they can still shout at the top of their lungs if they so wish.Ceasefire: nope
2 states: nope
Can't the participants see the utter futility of it all?
Unfortunately society just has to stomach it.
Oliver Hardy said:
Greendubber said:
Biker 1 said:
How many marches have been carried out since October? Must be getting on for 30-odd every Saturday in London. Apart from intimidating our Jewish population & costing £millions in policing, what exactly has been achieved?
Ceasefire: nope
2 states: nope
Can't the participants see the utter futility of it all?
Not much, probably quite a bit of negativity towards their cause but they can still shout at the top of their lungs if they so wish.Ceasefire: nope
2 states: nope
Can't the participants see the utter futility of it all?
Unfortunately society just has to stomach it.
Mojooo said:
Made the Zionists know the majority of us dislike them.
Who is 'us'?? Even if there was a majority in the UK that dislikes Jews, so what? You really believe the Israeli government will take any notice of the marches?Oh, & I recommend looking up the actual meaning of Zionism & what the founding fathers were trying to achieve. It has absolutely nothing to do with the mad religious zealots occupying certain parts of Judea & Samaria, & even less to do with gaza
Vanden Saab said:
Mojooo said:
Made the Zionists know the majority of us dislike them.
What majority is that? A few thousand antisemitic nutters in London?Innocent people being killed is hardly unique to this conflict.
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