45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)
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Really funny to find out that Ted Cruz supported/supports trump despite insulting his wife, making up stories about his dad, and false stories abotu hm via Pecker
Standard trump tell exposed. All the time he was shouting Fake News, he was the one generating faked stories about his opponents
Pecker has made it abundantly clear that this entire operation was about one thing and one thing only, trump’s campaign for president. It wasn’t about protecting his marriage, or his family, or his brand, as his lawyer claimed in opening. This whole thing was about winning the election.
Standard trump tell exposed. All the time he was shouting Fake News, he was the one generating faked stories about his opponents
Pecker has made it abundantly clear that this entire operation was about one thing and one thing only, trump’s campaign for president. It wasn’t about protecting his marriage, or his family, or his brand, as his lawyer claimed in opening. This whole thing was about winning the election.
captain_cynic said:
It's just obsfucation. Trying to get trumpettes wound up about "it wasn't an affair, and anyway that's not a crime" whilst distracting people from the actual crimes of fraud and misuse of campaign funds.
I assume the argument goes like this:Paying someone £130K to bury a true story is election interference
Paying someone £130K to bury a fabricated story could actually be preventing election interference
It's still obfuscation, but if they can get "reasonable doubt" on the crime, then the felony charge will fail, even though he's falsified business records.
A misdemeanour charge would be a slam-dunk, but that's just a slap on the wrist.
Anybody watch the documentary on CBS America, c84, Democracy on Trial? Everything laid out in the runup to Jan 6th. All the players, sycophants, blowing smoke up trumps arse, leading to his attempt to steal the election. Shocking when it's all laid out in front of you chronologically! Part 2 tomorrow 21.45. Interesting watch!
Seen two video clips today that were on Fox News. Jesse Waters and their senior legal expert. Both tried to re-write the narrative about the Trump trial.
Paying hush money to a woman isnt a crime
Getting a woman to sign an NDA isnt a crime
So what if Trump declared this as 'legal expenses', its not a crime
Problem is that its the nuance of the details. Trump is on trial for falsification of business records. Typically this is just a misdemeanor, but its 34 counts and under NY law, it is elevated to a felony if its done to facilitate another crime. So the Fox News talking heads just explained EXACTLY where Trump broke the law. This isnt a witch-hunt, its focusing on the fact that Trump did cover up his multiple affairs, used Cohen to make the payments and then reimbursed the others involved while reporting it as 'legal expenses'. Cohen went to jail for his involvement with this, its only the fact that Bill Barr killed off the investigation, even though there was sufficient evidence years previously.
So yeah, Fox News - you just explained where Trump broke the law. Good one.
Paying hush money to a woman isnt a crime
Getting a woman to sign an NDA isnt a crime
So what if Trump declared this as 'legal expenses', its not a crime
Problem is that its the nuance of the details. Trump is on trial for falsification of business records. Typically this is just a misdemeanor, but its 34 counts and under NY law, it is elevated to a felony if its done to facilitate another crime. So the Fox News talking heads just explained EXACTLY where Trump broke the law. This isnt a witch-hunt, its focusing on the fact that Trump did cover up his multiple affairs, used Cohen to make the payments and then reimbursed the others involved while reporting it as 'legal expenses'. Cohen went to jail for his involvement with this, its only the fact that Bill Barr killed off the investigation, even though there was sufficient evidence years previously.
So yeah, Fox News - you just explained where Trump broke the law. Good one.
silentbrown said:
captain_cynic said:
It's just obsfucation. Trying to get trumpettes wound up about "it wasn't an affair, and anyway that's not a crime" whilst distracting people from the actual crimes of fraud and misuse of campaign funds.
I assume the argument goes like this:Paying someone £130K to bury a true story is election interference
Paying someone £130K to bury a fabricated story could actually be preventing election interference
It's still obfuscation, but if they can get "reasonable doubt" on the crime, then the felony charge will fail, even though he's falsified business records.
A misdemeanour charge would be a slam-dunk, but that's just a slap on the wrist.
Having a president that has fallen for blackmail isn’t a good look when there are so many rumors around Russia.
h0b0 said:
Calling it hush money has always been odd. It doesn’t seem likely that Trump offered the hush money. So, did Stormy say “pay me hush money or i will talk?” That’s blackmail.
Having a president that has fallen for blackmail isn’t a good look when there are so many rumors around Russia.
No, Pecker has testified that he and trump had been friends for a while and we know he had a safe full of dirt that trump used against people. in 2015 Pecker went to trump to say he could help with his election dreams by publishing positive stories about him and negative ones about his opponents. He called it embellishing stories about his opponents, i.e. manufacturing dirt, something trump tried with Ukraine and Biden, tried with Hilary Clinton, tried with Hunter Biden and the faked laptop etc.Having a president that has fallen for blackmail isn’t a good look when there are so many rumors around Russia.
When Karen McDougal, Stormy and the doorman were thinking about selling their stories when trump announced he was running, they stepped in to silence those people with money and NDA's. See above Peckers testimony about paying the doorman $30k for an untrue story to stop it getting out and being an embaressment for the campaign.
Lets not forget 26 women also accused trump of sexual assault, and those offers of money for silence came at a bad time for trump. He was courting the evangelicals and the Access Hollywood " I can do anything, grab them by the pussy" tape had just come out. trump didn't need more to come out so approached them to silence them, or Cohen/Pecker did on his behalf.
There was nothing Pecker testified that it was about Melania, trumps family, just that it was all about protecting trumps election chances, it was all about the campaign and killing negative stories.
So many planted by team trump
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 24th April 06:55
Speaking of possible criminals runnign for office, George Santos just ended his independent bid for Congress.
No one would give him any money
https://apnews.com/article/george-santos-congress-...
No one would give him any money
https://apnews.com/article/george-santos-congress-...
Lara trump again reiterating her RNC plans to have trump supporters as election workers. She went on Newsmax to say "We now have the ability at the RNC not just to have poll watchers, people standing in polling locations, but people who can physically handle the ballots,"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1782930224344158317
https://twitter.com/i/status/1782930224344158317
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 24th April 11:09
George Conway pointing out Blanche's effort in the gag order hearing yesterday were all done just to please trump - he's become another Habba
Whilst Habba claimed yesterday on Newsmax that it was the judge that made her look incompetent and now the judge is doing the same to Blanche
[youtube]https://twitter.com/i/status/1782889521203306933[/youtube]
Whilst Habba claimed yesterday on Newsmax that it was the judge that made her look incompetent and now the judge is doing the same to Blanche
[youtube]https://twitter.com/i/status/1782889521203306933[/youtube]
A couple of people have pointed out we haven't even got to the main witnesses yet, but Peckers testimony has been bad for trumps defence.
One guest on CNN, defence lawyer Stacy Schneider brought up the point was that Pecker testified that Cohen would call him up after one of the Republican debates,and direct him to print dirt about that person to hurt their chances. Showing trump had a history of unfair election interference.
Joyce Vance on MSNBC pointing out Pecker gave the jury the big picture, how he "walked us through the election interference conspiracy. This is now, catch and kill to elect trump.", whilst not having the baggage of Cohen. He was trumps man
One guest on CNN, defence lawyer Stacy Schneider brought up the point was that Pecker testified that Cohen would call him up after one of the Republican debates,and direct him to print dirt about that person to hurt their chances. Showing trump had a history of unfair election interference.
Joyce Vance on MSNBC pointing out Pecker gave the jury the big picture, how he "walked us through the election interference conspiracy. This is now, catch and kill to elect trump.", whilst not having the baggage of Cohen. He was trumps man
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 24th April 06:19
trumps ranted at Maggie Habberman again, calling her 'Maggot Hagerman!' as she reported there wasn't the huge turnout of trump supporters trump had asked for, in fact there were just 3 yesterday.
"Maggot Hagerman of The Failing New York Times, falsely reported that I was disappointed with the crowds," then went on with the usual rant about a scam, the trial should never have been, election interference, corrupt judge, the usual...
edit - found it
trump also had a long rant on TS claiming the police were keeping his supporters away
NBC News reporter Vaughn Hillyard was outside the courthouse as trump was speaking, and he recorded video of the scene that showed trumps claims were false
https://twitter.com/i/status/1782764091565617503
"Maggot Hagerman of The Failing New York Times, falsely reported that I was disappointed with the crowds," then went on with the usual rant about a scam, the trial should never have been, election interference, corrupt judge, the usual...
edit - found it
trump also had a long rant on TS claiming the police were keeping his supporters away
NBC News reporter Vaughn Hillyard was outside the courthouse as trump was speaking, and he recorded video of the scene that showed trumps claims were false
https://twitter.com/i/status/1782764091565617503
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 24th April 06:52
Fox and Watters doing their best but I'm not sure that claiming trump was popular with the ladies, that Pecker had been killing stories about trump for some time, was really helping? Claimed he was an eligible bachelor, yet trump had been married 3 times, cheated on all his wives, accused by multiple women of sexual assault...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1782878474086109219
https://twitter.com/i/status/1782878474086109219
Byker28i said:
A quick read on the new highly redacted magalardo stolen docs case document release.
Person 14 is Derek Lyons trumps former WH secretary
Person 38 is Pat Philbin
Jack Smith got a warrant for De Oliveira's phone after subpoenaing records from it because De Oliveira didn't provide known communications from Nauta about covering up a Trump trip to magalardo on 10 July 2022. Even then lying to protect trump
Person 27 is Mark Meadows.Person 14 is Derek Lyons trumps former WH secretary
Person 38 is Pat Philbin
Jack Smith got a warrant for De Oliveira's phone after subpoenaing records from it because De Oliveira didn't provide known communications from Nauta about covering up a Trump trip to magalardo on 10 July 2022. Even then lying to protect trump
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24585062-2...
Meadows claiming trump didn't wany help returning stolen docs
Huge list of trump associates in the stolen classified docs case
Pennsylvania primaries
https://abcnews.go.com/538/4-house-primaries-watch...
Unofficial results shows trump struggling again, with Hayley attracting a huge protest vote against trump and she's not running
GOP have a real problem
Edit: Overall
https://abcnews.go.com/538/4-house-primaries-watch...
Unofficial results shows trump struggling again, with Hayley attracting a huge protest vote against trump and she's not running
GOP have a real problem
Edit: Overall
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 24th April 06:48
trump tried to subpoena Stormy over her documentary - denied. Prosecutors and Daniels succeed in quashing the "overbroad" request
https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/pdfs/Dec...
https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/pdfs/Dec...
It's a small world.
The AMI editor who worked on doorman agreement silencing him was Sharon Churcher. who previously had worked for the Daily Mail trying to discredit Virginia Giuffre
At the Mail, Churcher worked under Geordie Grieg whose work, home, mobile phone numbers were in Ghislaine Maxwell's little black book.
and here she is popping up in a trump coverup
The AMI editor who worked on doorman agreement silencing him was Sharon Churcher. who previously had worked for the Daily Mail trying to discredit Virginia Giuffre
At the Mail, Churcher worked under Geordie Grieg whose work, home, mobile phone numbers were in Ghislaine Maxwell's little black book.
and here she is popping up in a trump coverup
NY law on £1k fine for contempt
https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/judiciary-law/jud-sec...
I mean $90m plus didn't stop trump from defamation, so $1k will do nothing.
https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/judiciary-law/jud-sec...
I mean $90m plus didn't stop trump from defamation, so $1k will do nothing.
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