Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12
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irc said:
The Greens fighting amongst themselves like rats in a sack. I always thought they were out of touch but this quote sums them up.
"The public will be shocked to learn this about the party,” one said. “Most think we’re this nice bunch."
Er.... Nope.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24283157.insid...
So it turns out Ross Greer is a wee prick with a superiority complex."The public will be shocked to learn this about the party,” one said. “Most think we’re this nice bunch."
Er.... Nope.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24283157.insid...
Who in here hadn’t already made that observation.
irc said:
The Greens fighting amongst themselves like rats in a sack. I always thought they were out of touch but this quote sums them up.
"The public will be shocked to learn this about the party,” one said. “Most think we’re this nice bunch."
Er.... Nope.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24283157.insid...
Shocked? Experiencing Schadenfreude maybe..."The public will be shocked to learn this about the party,” one said. “Most think we’re this nice bunch."
Er.... Nope.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24283157.insid...
irc said:
The Greens fighting amongst themselves like rats in a sack. I always thought they were out of touch but this quote sums them up.
"The public will be shocked to learn this about the party,” one said. “Most think we’re this nice bunch."
Er.... Nope.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24283157.insid...
We only really got to see the Green's in the form of Harvey, Slater and Ross which was eye opening to say the least, the depravity bubbling under the surface must truly frightening as its not let loose for public consumption."The public will be shocked to learn this about the party,” one said. “Most think we’re this nice bunch."
Er.... Nope.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24283157.insid...
Klippie said:
We only really got to see the Green's in the form of Harvey, Slater and Ross which was eye opening to say the least, the depravity bubbling under the surface must truly frightening as its not let loose for public consumption.
It really does look like the wee taste of power they had went to their heads.It has been known for a while amongst political circles that the Scottish "Greens" have been completely disenfranchised and disowned by the UK and International Green movement (despite the Scottish "Greens" still claiming an affiliation with the Irish Green Party - an assertion that has so far not been reciprocated), but the mainstream media acts almost oblivious to this, despite reporting the very fact the groups cut their ties in October 2022.
Sturgeon took the bastardised version of the Scottish "Greens" on board because their party management style was mimicking hers. Humza had a golden opportunity to score a double political win by ejecting and exposing them, but he botched it because he's a f'king idiot.
Evercross said:
I mentioned yesterday that a fair few of us in here had predicted a year ago that Humza's demeanour would be the cause of his (fairly rapid) downfall and thus it has been so.
His soundbite this last week has been that he would come out of this 'fighting', but fighting has been his problem from day 1.
I said yesterday that Humza had no a conciliatory bone in his body, and that defined his very first day in office - being unable to find a way to accommodate his two leadership rivals in his first cabinet or wider executive thus immediately alienating the majority of SNP party members who had made either of those two rivals to Humza their first choice as leader.
He also made no apologies for the failings of his predecessor and instead made bold pronouncements that he would wholeheartedly and unquestioningly continue to pursue the arrangements and policies that had proven problematic for the previous incumbent (Bute House Agreement, GRR Supreme Court Appeal etc. etc.).
From an appalling starting point almost entirely of his own making he then proceeded to make things worse. His modus operandi when debating and when questioned was to continue to go all-guns-blazing to make grandiose attacks on ALL his opposition even if the question put to him didn't merit it, with his responses appearing overly aggressive and at the same time too obviously evasive, presenting an image of someone who is difficult to deal with regardless of what you were asking of him.
As political observers said - his (probably a bit too late) ditching of theGreens Marxists could have been the first step in a political recovery had he handled it differently, but the stoney faces of PeeWee and Big Bird leaving Bute House on Thursday morning told you everything about how the meeting went and spoke to the world about who now had the upper hand.
I also said it was ironic that Humza invoked Liz Truss this week at FMQs. Humza is objectively a worse politician than Truss IMO. Truss at least had a vision that in the right conditions and at a time when the appetite for it existed would have been welcome and could have succeeded, but she was naive to believe that she could just create those conditions and appetite in a matter of days. Humza on the other hand has nothing. He's the walking epitome of what I said all along the SNP is - a party of protest, not governance.
All he knows how to do is to protest and argue. In some ways he's an apt face to be the representative of the decline of the Scottish Nationalists.
Just catching up on the Debate but this is a great analysis in my humble opinion . As someone commented earlier it’s a pity some SNP diehards have apparently withdrawn their contributions to the thread . I for one am desperate to hear their comments on the present situation if only to hear where do they go from here His soundbite this last week has been that he would come out of this 'fighting', but fighting has been his problem from day 1.
I said yesterday that Humza had no a conciliatory bone in his body, and that defined his very first day in office - being unable to find a way to accommodate his two leadership rivals in his first cabinet or wider executive thus immediately alienating the majority of SNP party members who had made either of those two rivals to Humza their first choice as leader.
He also made no apologies for the failings of his predecessor and instead made bold pronouncements that he would wholeheartedly and unquestioningly continue to pursue the arrangements and policies that had proven problematic for the previous incumbent (Bute House Agreement, GRR Supreme Court Appeal etc. etc.).
From an appalling starting point almost entirely of his own making he then proceeded to make things worse. His modus operandi when debating and when questioned was to continue to go all-guns-blazing to make grandiose attacks on ALL his opposition even if the question put to him didn't merit it, with his responses appearing overly aggressive and at the same time too obviously evasive, presenting an image of someone who is difficult to deal with regardless of what you were asking of him.
As political observers said - his (probably a bit too late) ditching of the
I also said it was ironic that Humza invoked Liz Truss this week at FMQs. Humza is objectively a worse politician than Truss IMO. Truss at least had a vision that in the right conditions and at a time when the appetite for it existed would have been welcome and could have succeeded, but she was naive to believe that she could just create those conditions and appetite in a matter of days. Humza on the other hand has nothing. He's the walking epitome of what I said all along the SNP is - a party of protest, not governance.
All he knows how to do is to protest and argue. In some ways he's an apt face to be the representative of the decline of the Scottish Nationalists.
Edited by Evercross on Saturday 27th April 09:02
reddiesel said:
Just catching up on the Debate but this is a great analysis in my humble opinion . As someone commented earlier it’s a pity some SNP diehards have apparently withdrawn their contributions to the thread . I for one am desperate to hear their comments on the present situation if only to hear where do they go from here
Humza's own defence against criticism this week was to list the things his government had 'delivered' on including avoiding strike action in health and other public sectors and a council tax freeze.Once again illustrating how SNP politics and more generally the politics of the left are weak and meaningless. Neither were achievements, they were just kneejerk raids on the public purse with no consideration of the consequences.
Humza's "delivery" on avoiding public sector strike action and his council tax freeze are having very obvious and apparent negative consequences on peoples' lives and jobs, with Glasgow City Council alone announcing massive cuts in workforce over the next three years, nearly 500 coming from just one sector alone.....
School staff set to lose jobs this month amid 'savage' education cuts
Here, throw another 150 on top of that....
Cuts to care services in Glasgow approved
SNP Slogan - Dole, Not Strikes!
ETA. I expect the response from an independence supporter would be something along the lines of "corrupt tory toffs......Boris Johnson....HS2"
Edited by Evercross on Sunday 28th April 11:15
Silverbullet767 said:
CoolHands said:
Turns out you can judge a book by its cover. I just had a quick look and this twonk has indeed never had a real job. Unreal.
He's got part time shelf stacker written all over him. If he's strong enough to lift anything mind...Rat.
Silverbullet767 said:
CoolHands said:
He's got part time shelf stacker written all over him. If he's strong enough to lift anything mind...Master Of Puppets said:
Evercross said:
So it turns out Ross Greer is a wee prick with a superiority complex.
Who in here hadn’t already made that observation.
The weed smoker that got banned?Who in here hadn’t already made that observation.
Evercross said:
reddiesel said:
Just catching up on the Debate but this is a great analysis in my humble opinion . As someone commented earlier it’s a pity some SNP diehards have apparently withdrawn their contributions to the thread . I for one am desperate to hear their comments on the present situation if only to hear where do they go from here
Humza's own defence against criticism this week was to list the things his government had 'delivered' on including avoiding strike action in health and other public sectors and a council tax freeze.Once again illustrating how SNP politics and more generally the politics of the left are weak and meaningless. Neither were achievements, they were just kneejerk raids on the public purse with no consideration of the consequences.
Humza's "delivery" on avoiding public sector strike action and his council tax freeze are having very obvious and apparent negative consequences on peoples' lives and jobs, with Glasgow City Council alone announcing massive cuts in workforce over the next three years, nearly 500 coming from just one sector alone.....
School staff set to lose jobs this month amid 'savage' education cuts
Here, throw another 150 on top of that....
Cuts to care services in Glasgow approved
SNP Slogan - Dole, Not Strikes!
ETA. I expect the response from an independence supporter would be something along the lines of "corrupt tory toffs......Boris Johnson....HS2"
Edited by Evercross on Sunday 28th April 11:15
At least the former got some money thrown at it to avoid strikes, but there hasn't been any actual, you know, governance.
dxg said:
Andrew Neil made an interesting point in that all the SG have done outside of the insane Green policies, is to throw money at broken systems, without realising that money doesn't fix them. Hence, the mess of health and education.
At least the former got some money thrown at it to avoid strikes, but there hasn't been any actual, you know, governance.
To be fair, with Curriculum for Ineptitude, they seem to have managed to achieve a far higher level of broken through their reforms.At least the former got some money thrown at it to avoid strikes, but there hasn't been any actual, you know, governance.
In any other party, the idea of one of their own local authorities issuing redundancy notices to teachers would be deeply shaming. Yousaf seems to be happy to just let it happen.
Just when we've nearly got rid of one moron another pop's up to spout the same old pish, how many times have this lot been told there won't be another referendum which equals no independence...get it into your thick heads for fk sake.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgyxq90325o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgyxq90325o
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