Additional charges on the bill

Additional charges on the bill

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vikingaero

10,462 posts

170 months

Tuesday 7th May
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Glosphil said:
thepritch said:
A few shops online that give prices without VAT, but don’t tell you the price was exclusive of VAT. You only find out when you checkout.
A local wheel refurbishing company does this. Have been for years. I have reported them to HMRC 3 times but nothing is done.

Last time I was in there I warned a customer who had just left 4 wheels that when they
collected their bill would be 20% more than quoted & they asked for their wheels back & left. I been banned! If I had the time I would park my car outside with a large sign stating, "Warning - Prices don't include VAT".
That still happens a lot in garages around my way despite them knowing that 99% of their clientele are retail customers and not trade:

That'll be £100 plus VAT
That'll be £500 plus VAT

It's almost that they've been doing it for so long that they carry on doing it.

98elise

26,732 posts

162 months

Tuesday 7th May
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Glosphil said:
thepritch said:
A few shops online that give prices without VAT, but don’t tell you the price was exclusive of VAT. You only find out when you checkout.
A local wheel refurbishing company does this. Have been for years. I have reported them to HMRC 3 times but nothing is done.

Last time I was in there I warned a customer who had just left 4 wheels that when they
collected their bill would be 20% more than quoted & they asked for their wheels back & left. I been banned! If I had the time I would park my car outside with a large sign stating, "Warning - Prices don't include VAT".
I had the same with a local tyre fitters. I was using them via blackcircles and they said next time just pop in because they had them in stock and would do them for the same price.

I did exactly that next time, and they stuck VAT on top claiming thats what they meant.

Slowboathome

3,520 posts

45 months

Tuesday 7th May
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cliffords said:
We have a nice country pub right by us. Fairly young staff and chef and established and local customers. We had two meals in there last summer, not again.

Menu price is quite steep. Then at the bottom of the menu a 15% service charge will be added. At least they tell you. When the bill arrives there is a table charge to sit outside £5 and a condiments and bread sticks charge £3.50. I am not sure why we went twice but not again.
fking hell. That's really taking the piss.

Kwackersaki

1,388 posts

229 months

Tuesday 7th May
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Cotty said:
Fatboy said:

No problem with fitting as an extra cost, but getting you to pay the fitters directly is just the shop dodging any responsibility for the fitting that they're arranging, and not on...
I think what Kwackersaki was annoyed at was the £19 charge for arranging the fitters. Like he/she couldn't call them directly.
Exactly this. I enquired about collecting the carpet myself as there was a £30 delivery charge and was told if I did that then their fitters wouldn’t fit it. So went with the delivery option and had to pay the fitters directly.

When home noticed the extra £19 charge which wasn’t mentioned at the time.

mmm-five

11,273 posts

285 months

Tuesday 7th May
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There is a local Indian restaurant near me that did a take-away service, but only over the phone...which could take a while to get through on as they only had one phone line.

The take-away prices were a bit random, as they never added up to the eat-in price, but also didn't seem to follow any consistent discount rate for pick-ups (i.e. the price for the same order could vary from £32-£38 depending on who took the order, and some would remember the complementary poppadoms/pickles...some wouldn't...and no, that wasn't what made the price fluctuate).

Eventually they offered a separate take-away menu (both now available on their website and updated more frequently than their previous once-a-year frequency) that stated "save 10% by ordering online", probably as a way to reduce the phone calls staff had to take.

Tried it once, and realised the bill seemed a bit high...and when challenged they said the 10% saving was on the eat-in prices, not the take-away prices. But the take-away menu prices were already about 20% less than the eat-in price.

So you'd be paying a 10% premium on the over-the-phone take-away price, just for the convenience of ordering online for pick-up.



Another one was a bar in London who brought out food and asked whether we needed cutlery. "Yes" was our response, and that was met with a comment that "There's a £1.99/table charge for cutlery, as our bar food is meant to be eaten with fingers!".

Fine, and no problem for the olives, almonds and sticky mini-sausages (although some toothpicks would have been less messy/more hygenic for our group)...but a bit of an issue for my spiced pumpkin soup.



Last one from me, but another place in London, quite expensive but it was on expenses.

Have a look at the menu, and there's a discretionary service charge of 18% for groups over 10 people (we're 8, so not concerned). Have a nice night, normal level of service (e.g. standard "can I take your order", "here's your drinks", "here's your food", "here's your bill" type), and get presented with the bill.

Service charge of 18% has been added, so as it's discretionary & we're a party of only 8, we ask them to remove it as we can't claim it on expenses and would like to leave a 10% tip in cash instead.

Response was that wasn't at the customer's discretion, but the management, based on how much we'd ordered (and the cost). So if we'd ordered more expensive (or more) drinks and had a dessert as well, they may have waived it.

I just passed the bill to the boss to pay (we normally take turns to pay to stop maxxing one person's credit card) - and let him 'discuss' it with the manager.

Ended up getting the service charge being removed, and leaving zero tip.

Edited by mmm-five on Tuesday 7th May 11:53

paulw123

3,261 posts

191 months

Tuesday 7th May
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Adding a service charge but only when 6 or more people are dining. You would think they would want more business...
Had to get it removed last time as the service was non existent and wasn't paying 30 quid extra for a total lack of service.
If charges can't be removed from the transaction/not optional then it should legally have to be included in the price,

Cotty

Original Poster:

39,648 posts

285 months

Tuesday 7th May
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mmm-five said:

Another one was a bar in London who brought out food and asked whether we needed cutlery. "Yes" was our response, and that was met with a comment that "There's a £1.99/table charge for cutlery, as our bar food is meant to be eaten with fingers!".

Fine, and no problem for the olives, almonds and sticky mini-sausages (although some toothpicks would have been less messy/more hygenic for our group)...but a bit of an issue for my spiced pumpkin soup.
That did make me laugh and reminded me of a joke.

A man goes into a restaurant, he sits down, he's having a bowl of soup. He says to the waiter, "Waiter, come, taste the soup."
The waiter says, "Is something wrong with the soup?"
He says, "Taste the soup."
The waiter says "Is there something wrong with the soup, is the soup too hot?"
He says "Will you taste the soup?"
"What's wrong, is the soup too cold?"
"Will you just taste the soup?"
"Alright I'll taste the soup?! Where is the spoon?"

mmm-five

11,273 posts

285 months

Tuesday 7th May
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Cotty said:
That did make me laugh and reminded me of a joke.

A man goes into a restaurant, he sits down, he's having a bowl of soup. He says to the waiter, "Waiter, come, taste the soup."
The waiter says, "Is something wrong with the soup?"
He says, "Taste the soup."
The waiter says "Is there something wrong with the soup, is the soup too hot?"
He says "Will you taste the soup?"
"What's wrong, is the soup too cold?"
"Will you just taste the soup?"
"Alright I'll taste the soup?! Where is the spoon?"
It was a bit like that...but maybe they'd bought really expensive cutlery that kept getting stolen, or they'd only recently moved over to non-finger-food?

A plastic (sorry, bamboo, but this was year's ago) spoon would have sufficed, it didn't need to be finest gilded solid sterling silver items.

I ended up slurping it noisely from the bowl to make a point...and showed them how tasty it was by licking the bowl clean.

ATG

20,686 posts

273 months

Tuesday 7th May
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Genius strategy for achieving stable revenue from repeat business: make customer feel abused by trying to charge them a few extra percent at the last moment, clearly in return for fk all. It's so stupid.

It's also anti-competitive, for, as we all know, price transparency is crucial if a market is going to operate efficiently. How on earth is anyone going to be able to compare prices for a good if the prices you're being quoted aren't the real prices you'll be charged?? Competition authorities should come down on this malpractice like a ton of bricks.

Brother D

3,743 posts

177 months

Tuesday 7th May
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  • Laughs in American*


dunkind

197 posts

21 months

Tuesday 7th May
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In California restaurants will no longer be able to charge service fees and will instead have to fold the charges into its menu prices, starting July 1.
I wonder if this new law will also prevent them from applying the very American practice of charging 18% extra for parties of 6 or more?
I gather many other states are considering implementing the same law.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article2881...


Edited by dunkind on Tuesday 7th May 18:26

PBCD

725 posts

139 months

Tuesday 7th May
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cliffords said:
and a condiments and bread sticks charge...
eek

wibble cb

3,622 posts

208 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Just back from Arizona where restaurants have a business continuation fee (4%) as they are struggling with inflation, oddly enough so are we!

Canadian airlines have also now tried to start charging a fee for preferential access to the overhead bins on flights, yes you don’t have to pay it, but really what’s next , charging a traveller information fee for demonstrating the safety features?

Screenwash

84 posts

23 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Here in NZ cafes routinely add a 10-15% surcharge to all prices if you deign to visit them on a public holiday.

You’d think that they would welcome all the extra custom that a public holiday brings - ie on long weekends, but No, they charge extra for the privilege that they have chosen to open up that day!

StevieBee

12,961 posts

256 months

Wednesday 8th May
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I use Fiverr quite a bit.

You find a freelancer and they quote a price and you start the order. You're then faced with a list of things for which additional charges apply; regional licenses, extended licenses, commercial rights and others. It annoys me that these are not provided to you to tick at the point at which an enquiry is made and before the price is calculated.

Once the order is completed, you then receive the option to provide a 'tip' to the freelancer.


vikingaero

10,462 posts

170 months

Wednesday 8th May
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I've worked it out:

The people that run businesses where additional charges/increments/fees prevail are the ones arguing with minimum wage staff about additional charges/increments/fees add to their bills.

Skeptisk

7,573 posts

110 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Screenwash said:
Here in NZ cafes routinely add a 10-15% surcharge to all prices if you deign to visit them on a public holiday.

You’d think that they would welcome all the extra custom that a public holiday brings - ie on long weekends, but No, they charge extra for the privilege that they have chosen to open up that day!
If they have to pay their staff extra to work on a public holiday then it would be fair.

98elise

26,732 posts

162 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Skeptisk said:
Screenwash said:
Here in NZ cafes routinely add a 10-15% surcharge to all prices if you deign to visit them on a public holiday.

You’d think that they would welcome all the extra custom that a public holiday brings - ie on long weekends, but No, they charge extra for the privilege that they have chosen to open up that day!
If they have to pay their staff extra to work on a public holiday then it would be fair.
Serious question, but do they?

My son worked in a pub/restaurant (UK) and you got paid by the hour no matter what day of the week it was. IIRC the only days they paid more was Christmas day and NYE.

bigandclever

13,822 posts

239 months

Wednesday 8th May
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98elise said:
Skeptisk said:
Screenwash said:
Here in NZ cafes routinely add a 10-15% surcharge to all prices if you deign to visit them on a public holiday.

You’d think that they would welcome all the extra custom that a public holiday brings - ie on long weekends, but No, they charge extra for the privilege that they have chosen to open up that day!
If they have to pay their staff extra to work on a public holiday then it would be fair.
Serious question, but do they?

My son worked in a pub/restaurant (UK) and you got paid by the hour no matter what day of the week it was. IIRC the only days they paid more was Christmas day and NYE.
There's no statutory right to extra pay for public holidays. It's also up to the employer whether you work them or not.

Lotusgone

1,204 posts

128 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Glosphil said:
thepritch said:
A few shops online that give prices without VAT, but don’t tell you the price was exclusive of VAT. You only find out when you checkout.
A local wheel refurbishing company does this. Have been for years. I have reported them to HMRC 3 times but nothing is done.

Last time I was in there I warned a customer who had just left 4 wheels that when they
collected their bill would be 20% more than quoted & they asked for their wheels back & left. I been banned! If I had the time I would park my car outside with a large sign stating, "Warning - Prices don't include VAT".
Reminds me of a time a few years ago - OK, many years ago pre-internet, when I was ringing around for prices & availability of a couple of new tyres.

The bloke at one place said they'll be £90 plus VAT. So I asked what the price was - he said, £90 plus VAT.

I was so tempted to go down there and write out a cheque that said £90 plus VAT.