Dementia

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aaron_2000

5,407 posts

84 months

Saturday 6th February 2021
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My grandad didn't have dementia but suffered in a very similar way. He was in brilliant shape going to the gym, riding his push bike, he was a seriously capable driver and motorbike riderall well into his late 70's he was still doing trackdays on his GSXR and driving his Discovery down to Spain, then he had a mechanical failure on his bike on track and crashed through no fault of his own. That put him in hospital with a few broken bones and bruising, when he got out he went back out on the bike without inspecting it and obviously crashed it again, this time on the motorway. That weakened him severely and saw him in hospital for a while, after that it was a chain reaction of falls which made him weaker and weaker. A scan showed that the hospital had missed a brain bleed on the first crash which would've been easily treated apparently, the result being that someone who 2 years prior was in better shape than most 40 year olds and more active was now in worse shape than most 95 year olds and barely able to speak, it also left him extremely short tempered and extremely depressed. It wasn't dementia but seeing someone go through that deterioration physically and mentally is heartbreaking, then you feel extreme guilt when you feel relieved that they died so their suffering has finally come to an end. In our case his death then led to what was once a very close knit extended family completely shattering to the point where we all absolutely detest each other. I hope you still get a lot of good years and memories together, I can't imagine anything worse to be diagnosed with.

HustleRussell

24,732 posts

161 months

Saturday 6th February 2021
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phumy said:
My wife has had it for 6 years now, she was 59 when diagnosed, its been a terrible road to travel, she is in a care home and as one poster said above moving her from home to the care home was the hardest thing ive ever done, even typing about it brings it all back and brings tears to my eyes right now.

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I’m so sorry, that is young.

HustleRussell

24,732 posts

161 months

Saturday 6th February 2021
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My Mum’s partner has been living with dementia for a couple of years now.

It is getting to the point now where he is going to need a lot more care. He generally can’t take care of himself autonomously e.g. showering every day, remembering to take medication, eating properly, managing appointments. He is beginning to forget how to use his mobile phone and the television. He has periods of severe confusion immediately before and after sleeping when he will forget where he is and who he’s talking to.

He is paranoid and suspicious of people. He often believes that people around him are trying to steal his money or things. He has accused my mum of being romantically involved with her widowed brother in law. He has become simultaneously very needy and very possessive of my Mum. She has received 40+ phone calls in a day from him before now. When she doesn’t answer he rings me, my sister, Mum’s friends and asks where my Mum is, why she won’t answer, when she can call him back etc etc.

He had a period of a few weeks after Christmas when he didn’t know night from day and would go to bed at 1pm and would be up in the middle of the night putting a wash on. He thankfully seems to have fallen back into a decent rhythm but sadly small improvements such as this seem quite rare in his case.

He has now been informed that he must stop driving until he completes another driving assessment (which are currently suspended due to Covid). We discussed at length the ramifications of this but he immediately forgot the whole conversation so we’re now going to have to get his car / keys away from him which will be difficult given the paranoia.

He has thankfully not been physically violent and has become quite passive, but it has been tragic to watch a proud and strong former serviceman who was unerringly punctual and immaculately turned out, becoming a vulnerable and confused old man who is in bits just trying to manage an appointment or a visit from an electrician.

TUS373

4,516 posts

282 months

Saturday 6th February 2021
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Lost my mum to vascular dementia / Alzheimers. Was 4 years from proper diagnosis.

I spotted the signs even before that but the GP was taken in my by her answers on tests. She was mischievous and convincing.

Medical profession were pretty poor and powerless on the whole. Social services and carers were a nightmare.

Aggression, foul language and racism all came out. She used words I did not know she knew. Some days she was lovely and with it, some days verging on being a witch.

I had probably 5 very difficult and intensive years keeping her safe and comfortable. It is no fun choosing a home and a room where you know your mum is going to end her days. Some homes were horrific.

In the end, found a lovely caring local home to me and moved her in there. They were brilliant and felt that I could have do no more or better for her. She stopped eating, slept all the time, and died peacefully. To be honest, it was a blessing that she did.


Grandad Gaz

5,094 posts

247 months

Saturday 6th February 2021
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phumy said:
My wife has had it for 6 years now, she was 59 when diagnosed, its been a terrible road to travel, she is in a care home and as one poster said above moving her from home to the care home was the hardest thing ive ever done, even typing about it brings it all back and brings tears to my eyes right now.

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That is so sad. My wife is the same age (65). Makes me realise how lucky I am.

Having a parent with it is bad enough, you kind of expect it but, I can’t imagine what it’s like for a partner to suffer. frown

I can only wish you well.


phumy

5,674 posts

238 months

Saturday 6th February 2021
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Grandad Gaz said:
phumy said:
My wife has had it for 6 years now, she was 59 when diagnosed, its been a terrible road to travel, she is in a care home and as one poster said above moving her from home to the care home was the hardest thing ive ever done, even typing about it brings it all back and brings tears to my eyes right now.

weepingweepingweeping
That is so sad. My wife is the same age (65). Makes me realise how lucky I am.

Having a parent with it is bad enough, you kind of expect it but, I can’t imagine what it’s like for a partner to suffer. frown

I can only wish you well.
Thanks Gaz, its been such a roller-coaster, myself and our three sons just cannot get over what has happened to my wife, their mum, I have been in a type of grief for the past 5 years and its taking its toll and it just wont go away. I have tried to forget it and get it out of my mind to try to move forward, I feel guilty, i get emotional very easily, i cry, i get angry, i try to level with myself, its a real st place to be. I wouldnt wish it on anyone. My three boys have all suffered too, even though they are grown up and have their own children, they miss sharing their own family experiences with her, she doesnt recognise any of us now, its really difficult when i/we go to visit ( although we have not had any physical contact for a year now, CV19) we just get a "through the window" visit and i can see that she is confused as fk when she sees us. She doesnt want to cuddle the grandkids, nothing, it breaks their hearts because they know that if she didnt have this disease she would be all over the grandkids, just like any other grand parent.

I realise i have a life to live and i try my very best to do that but its fking difficult, very difficult.

worsy

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5,812 posts

176 months

Saturday 6th February 2021
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phumy said:
Grandad Gaz said:
phumy said:
My wife has had it for 6 years now, she was 59 when diagnosed, its been a terrible road to travel, she is in a care home and as one poster said above moving her from home to the care home was the hardest thing ive ever done, even typing about it brings it all back and brings tears to my eyes right now.

weepingweepingweeping
That is so sad. My wife is the same age (65). Makes me realise how lucky I am.

Having a parent with it is bad enough, you kind of expect it but, I can’t imagine what it’s like for a partner to suffer. frown

I can only wish you well.
Thanks Gaz, its been such a roller-coaster, myself and our three sons just cannot get over what has happened to my wife, their mum, I have been in a type of grief for the past 5 years and its taking its toll and it just wont go away. I have tried to forget it and get it out of my mind to try to move forward, I feel guilty, i get emotional very easily, i cry, i get angry, i try to level with myself, its a real st place to be. I wouldnt wish it on anyone. My three boys have all suffered too, even though they are grown up and have their own children, they miss sharing their own family experiences with her, she doesnt recognise any of us now, its really difficult when i/we go to visit ( although we have not had any physical contact for a year now, CV19) we just get a "through the window" visit and i can see that she is confused as fk when she sees us. She doesnt want to cuddle the grandkids, nothing, it breaks their hearts because they know that if she didnt have this disease she would be all over the grandkids, just like any other grand parent.

I realise i have a life to live and i try my very best to do that but its fking difficult, very difficult.
Wow, so sorry to read this.

Steve H

5,306 posts

196 months

Saturday 6th February 2021
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Awful for anyone suffering this, especially so young.

My MIL died two weeks ago following a diagnosis of vascular dementia about 6 years ago. The last couple of years were particularly hard as the condition really progressed and she became dependent on constant care and then needed to be in a home for the last 12 months. Obviously this was made harder by the covid restrictions.

Sadly there’s very little advice to offer here as there is so little that can be done frown.

Paul the Painter

95 posts

130 months

Sunday 7th February 2021
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In addition to the all the above, my only piece of advice would be to minimise the number of changes of residence as much as possible. Don't think about what they need now, but what they will need in a year or two.

We moved my grandfather a total of 5 times, and we would have been much better dropping that to 2 or 3. Each move made perfect sense at the time and it was only in hindsight we realised the mistake.

He went from his bungalow, to the annexe at my parents house, whilst his new flat nearby was completed, to the flat, to a sheltered housing flat with warden etc, to a care home (that didn't work out) to another much better care home/nursing home.

If he had gone from bungalow to sheltered housing, he may well have lived out his days there.

FrankisTurni

2 posts

34 months

Wednesday 21st July 2021
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It's always sad when a loved one suffers from something like this.

HustleRussell

24,732 posts

161 months

Saturday 24th July 2021
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GliderRider said:
Big Clive's description of the stages of dementia is the best I've come across, I strongly advise watching it. Big Clive - Dementia
I watched this the other day on your recommendation. I wasn’t sure about it at first, especially when I saw it was 45 minutes. It also contains some controversial and uncomfortable opinions. However I have just relayed the relevant bits of advice to my Mum and have realised that there were a lot of useful and interesting things to take away.

GliderRider

2,114 posts

82 months

Saturday 24th July 2021
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HustleRussell said:
I watched this the other day on your recommendation. I wasn’t sure about it at first, especially when I saw it was 45 minutes. It also contains some controversial and uncomfortable opinions. However I have just relayed the relevant bits of advice to my Mum and have realised that there were a lot of useful and interesting things to take away.
Thanks for the reply HustleRussell. I'm glad you found some of it useful. I found it very helpful to have a non-medical professional's opinion and not constrained by the need to say the acceptable thing.

My girlfriend and I are still living living with my mother two years on from moving in with her. Somethings get easier (Mum spends more time in bed & is less inclined to fill handbags with random stuff partly because we hid three out of the four handbags(!)). Others such as less bladder & bowel control not so great. My advice on the latter is to get continence pants and absorbent bed mats sooner rather than later. We had a bit of a struggle getting the NHS to provide the highest capacity pants for the night, but we did in the end. We buy the mats ourselves. They are a godsend as they save the bedding.

My aunt, my mother's twin sister, doesn't have dementia, but her husband does. She has a much worse time than we do, as she is on her own with him in Canada, and both her children are in the USA and unable to visit. My uncle is argumentative with her, whereas my mother thinks I'm my Dad and more or less does what I ask her to. She really doesn't like having baths, but we manage albeit with a few tears.

I really feel sorry for anyone trying to cope on their own with a dementia sufferer. Maybe trying to find someone locally in a similar position, so one of you can look after them, whilst the other goes out to do the shopping or get a break, is the answer.


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worsy

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5,812 posts

176 months

Saturday 24th July 2021
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An update.

MiL had a fall Weds morn (in the early hours) and FiL called an ambulance. 4 Hours later they turned up and got her back into bed. An hour later she got up and promptly had another fall. 5 hour wait for an ambulance followed by 5 hours queued at A&E (The NHS is really st at the moment) and she has been admitted. Still in today and not much chance of release at the moment due to weakness.

Turns out FiL has been doing everything including having to dress her etc. He is knackered. So wife will be attending a bit more often and trying to give him a break. Also looking to see what help is available through the council.

How u doing

27,048 posts

184 months

Sunday 25th July 2021
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worsy said:
An update.

MiL had a fall Weds morn (in the early hours) and FiL called an ambulance. 4 Hours later they turned up and got her back into bed. An hour later she got up and promptly had another fall. 5 hour wait for an ambulance followed by 5 hours queued at A&E (The NHS is really st at the moment) and she has been admitted. Still in today and not much chance of release at the moment due to weakness.

Turns out FiL has been doing everything including having to dress her etc. He is knackered. So wife will be attending a bit more often and trying to give him a break. Also looking to see what help is available through the council.
Sorry to hear, it sounds like you've reached a stage where serious decisions need to made. Inevitably you'll feel vulnerable and one step behind. Enlist all the specialist help and agencies you can, her GP should be able to help the machine to kick in. Even if you can manage without them now, better to have them in the loop.

Because FIL will have been taking up the slack, it'll mask deterioration. He'll be feeling disloyal allowing outside intervention.

It's a tough time. On a practical note, if you haven't already put LPAs in place you should, ours took 3 months.

aparna

1,156 posts

38 months

Sunday 25th July 2021
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I'd echo the issue, that it masks deterioration. In our case it took the father having an accident due to overwork, to reveal how advanced MiL's dementia actually was. We massively underestimated the amount of care the mother needed, which caused further falls etc in the short term. If she is falling twice in such a short period, it's worth investigating if there are other physical issues looming such as incontinance, bathing etc which require significant assistance, so might be worth getting ducks in a row there. Emotional support is important, but regularl physical support might be required also. The brain, after all, controls a lot of stuff.

worsy

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5,812 posts

176 months

Monday 26th July 2021
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Thanks both. LPAs in place for both of them already.

MiL has moved wards, at first they couldn't find her when my wife called them. Sounds like they are trying to find a rehab space somewhere in the county rolleyes

mike74

3,687 posts

133 months

Monday 26th July 2021
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I've got a feeling my mother is highly likely to develop Dementia in the coming years, the trouble is I'm genuinely not sure how I'll be able to tell given that her 'normal' personality already ticks all the boxes for initial Dementia symptoms.. stubborn, awkward, ill mannered, impatient, unsociable, aloof, opinionated, absent minded etc

Edited by mike74 on Monday 26th July 08:46

dirky dirk

3,016 posts

171 months

Tuesday 27th July 2021
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mike74 said:
I've got a feeling my mother is highly likely to develop Dementia in the coming years, the trouble is I'm genuinely not sure how I'll be able to tell given that her 'normal' personality already ticks all the boxes for initial Dementia symptoms.. stubborn, awkward, ill mannered, impatient, unsociable, aloof, opinionated, absent minded etc

Edited by mike74 on Monday 26th July 08:46
is that a sign that thy will?

youve just described my 87 yer old mum

mike74

3,687 posts

133 months

Wednesday 28th July 2021
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dirky dirk said:
is that a sign that thy will?

youve just described my 87 yer old mum
I don't think there's necessarily any clinically proven correlation between having that kind of personality and developing Dementia but it just sort of makes sense to me that someone who displays all those kind of personality traits would go on to develop it... as I said, in the early stages at least, with someone like that I imagine it would be almost impossible to actually spot the onset of Dementia.

seyre1972

2,646 posts

144 months

Wednesday 28th July 2021
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mike74 said:
dirky dirk said:
is that a sign that thy will?

youve just described my 87 yer old mum
I don't think there's necessarily any clinically proven correlation between having that kind of personality and developing Dementia but it just sort of makes sense to me that someone who displays all those kind of personality traits would go on to develop it... as I said, in the early stages at least, with someone like that I imagine it would be almost impossible to actually spot the onset of Dementia.
Sorry to say - but my mum was like this most of my adult life - we had periods where we didn’t speak due to her behaviour/things she had said etc.

When my dad passed - I’d promised to make sure mum was safe, looked after etc. We still had a relationship - just strained at times.

Looking back - the 2 years between my dad passing and then my mum - her earlier behaviour actually masked what was the start of her dementia / possible underlying psychological issues coming to the fore (paranoia/absolute belief in somethings she couldn’t explain/justify etc)

COVID/lockdowns/social isolation all compounded the above. But she was lucky she’d moved to a housing association apartment, where staff/nursing were on-site, cover as when needed to meet her growing demands. Her cognitive decline was slow /medium and maybe that’s the hardest part for them - being aware that something isn’t right - rather than full blown away with the fairies.

Hers was thankfully curtailed as heart/bowel cancer meant a short 10 day stop in hospital, followed by passing in her sleep. That may sound selfish - but she was suffering mental torment through no fault of her own - so it was really a blessing when she did pass.

Looking back - once out of the chaos - it became apparent she progressively got worse post my dad passing.