Truck driver rest rules....really?
Discussion
Private Pile said:
Mods, I think it was a mistake to move this from General Gassing. Everyone on Commercial Break knows why the driver took their rest there. And the question was asked by a car driver.
Should be moved back IMO.
Cheers
+1Should be moved back IMO.
Cheers
Gives us a chance to give a honest answer and hopefully show the reasons behind what at first might seem odd to the masses.
If it was that desperate, you could surely have jacked up the car, removed the wheel, rolled it to the airline, raised the pressure, rolled the wheel back to the car, refitted it, and dropped it back onto the road, put the jack in the boot, and driven to work 6 mins later.
Or are you a "girl" -----I ask that because when the pressure warning light came on in my wife's mini, and I was away for the week, she refused to even drive it to check the pressures (although there is a gauge in the boot) She refused to get the electric pump I keep in the boot, and add air to any tyre, and she refused to acknowledge that I keep a full size spare in the shed, just in case, and she could fit that. Her reasoning "I'm a girl and I don't DO car stuff, that's why I've got you"
Or are you a "girl" -----I ask that because when the pressure warning light came on in my wife's mini, and I was away for the week, she refused to even drive it to check the pressures (although there is a gauge in the boot) She refused to get the electric pump I keep in the boot, and add air to any tyre, and she refused to acknowledge that I keep a full size spare in the shed, just in case, and she could fit that. Her reasoning "I'm a girl and I don't DO car stuff, that's why I've got you"
Private Pile said:
O/T you driving yet Chilli? Was talking to a Edwin Shirley (sp) driver yesterday down at oxford services. He was off down to morocco for 9 weeks for a film. Lucky bar steward!
Sadly not mate 
Got everything crossed for next week though as have a big ct scan coming up, at last.
Hoping that the 2 fractures and last internal bleed have now fully healed, then i may finally get the all clear to drive again, (i do miss it.)
Did you get the Shirley drivers name by any chance? Some good lads on there who i've toured with a few times
Getragdogleg said:
750turbo said:
Bloody Hell guys, you have my sympathy!
This is the tip of the iceberg in terms of compliance. There are many hoops to jump through. Oddly enough most of them cost the driver money if he infringes. Lots of us feel that the original legislation that was designed for safety has suffered huge scope creep and now the regulations are as much about catching you out to raid your wallet.
OT: hope things work out Chilli, must be hard when it's something you clearly enjoy so much. Whats next for you in regards to getting back behind the wheel and on tour??
Ta Norfolk
TBH not 100% sure as the firm i do the tours for is very, very quiet at the mo and apparently like this till October time i've heard :0
Luckily i have a mate with his own company in the access/cherry picker business and he always has work for me if i need it, so will probably mix abit of this with the container firm i know untill the tour work picks up.
Obviously i love the tour work the most, but right now will just be glad to get back to work again i have missed it and the money.
TBH not 100% sure as the firm i do the tours for is very, very quiet at the mo and apparently like this till October time i've heard :0
Luckily i have a mate with his own company in the access/cherry picker business and he always has work for me if i need it, so will probably mix abit of this with the container firm i know untill the tour work picks up.
Obviously i love the tour work the most, but right now will just be glad to get back to work again i have missed it and the money.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Getragdogleg said:
750turbo said:
Bloody Hell guys, you have my sympathy!
This is the tip of the iceberg in terms of compliance. There are many hoops to jump through. Oddly enough most of them cost the driver money if he infringes. Lots of us feel that the original legislation that was designed for safety has suffered huge scope creep and now the regulations are as much about catching you out to raid your wallet.
OT: hope things work out Chilli, must be hard when it's something you clearly enjoy so much. Whats next for you in regards to getting back behind the wheel and on tour??
What that means is in order to prove you have actually looked the truck over you need to show 15 minutes on your Tacho as time taken to do the check.
So, from getting in the truck to pulling away often takes 20 minutes, sometimes more when the digi card decides it is going to take 5 minutes to actually register the card as inserted. That is 20 minutes EVERY time I jump in a truck for the first time that day, I often drive 3 trucks a day on local stuff. So I waste upwards of an hour sat in the yard. The trucks rarely have a problem because we are a small outfit and look after them so well.
Couple that with the need to make sure 15 minute breaks are actually more like 18 to 20 to make sure the full 15 have been recorded and you can see why I get frustrated.
Did you know it is possible to get fined for not having a spare digi card till roll ? did you know its possible to be fined for not having two digi card till rolls ? One as a spare and the other to replace the spare ? Nor did I until recently.
Similar to France and the Breathalyser + spare plus Spare spare situation that is so mad.
Justin Cyder said:
Sorry to barge in - who owns EST now? They went bust a few years back didn't they?
Transam Trucking LTD bought EST, think it was approx 2-3 years back now.Transam own it, so sometimes jobs are either run as a Transam job or an EST job should that be a requirement, otherwise tours can have a mix of both trucks on it. All depends on each seperate tour and what they require.
MJK 24 said:
The guy who designed the site!
There's a 'proper' M&S in the main building anyway!!
Yup but maybe the bay is only in use 30 mins out of 24hrs a day, it could also be a canny business move to have 2 stores on site to get round some of the planning and legislative restrictions on MSA operations.There's a 'proper' M&S in the main building anyway!!
grumpy52 said:
Are any Motorway services set out properly for trucks ?
I get the impression they are designed by non drivers !
They are designed to minimum standards allowable and to extract as much cash as possible as they are all private businesses.I get the impression they are designed by non drivers !
Some of the sites are getting to 50 years old and traffic has growth since then has been massive traffic growth and many of the sites are landlocked with no room to expand without being ransomed by the landowner next to you.
What 1 would you prefer 1 lorry spot with a tite arse lorry driver making his own brew or 1 coach Bay full of 50 blue rinses gagging to spend ?
grumpy52 said:
Are any Motorway services set out properly for trucks ?
I get the impression they are designed by non drivers !
Rownhams in Southampton, £27 with a meal voucher to the value of "£10. I get the impression they are designed by non drivers !
But if your parked heading north everything you need is over the otherside. (showers,restaurant)
So you have to walk thru the underpass.
So your effectively paying £17 for 10x40 strip of tarmac for the night x's that by the 30 odd I saw there the other night, rough average per night and your in a to a lot of profit.
So then begs the question the whole site has one shower cubicle. WHY???
Getragdogleg said:
Did you know it is possible to get fined for not having a spare digi card till roll ? did you know its possible to be fined for not having two digi card till rolls ? One as a spare and the other to replace the spare ? Nor did I until recently.
Similar to France and the Breathalyser + spare plus Spare spare situation that is so mad.
I know, I used to only carry a spare up until a month ago. The story is that a driver was asked to do A weeks worth of print-outs by the DVSA (would have been DVLA back then) from the machine. The roll that was in the machine was almost out, so the driver put his spare in. He was then fined as he didn't have a spare roll as he had just put his in.Similar to France and the Breathalyser + spare plus Spare spare situation that is so mad.
It's actually quite difficult to do a full 28 days with absolutely no infringements and with the broad amount of things they could get you with...if they decided to look hard enough, your paying up.
It's the only industry where you can get fined for working harder.
Zedboy1200 said:
I had the BM's run-flat warning sounding for the last 30 miles of my journey home late last night. I was too tired to sort it so when I left at 6:00am this morning headed straight for the only garage with an airline near me.
This BP garage has an M&S store on site and parked up right in front of the airline was an M&S artic with engine idling. When I approached the driver he gestured at me that he was having 'T'...and when I asked him to back up 10mtrs he refused saying he was on his break and would be sacked if he reversed. I did question if rolling back 10 mtrs on a private forecourt would constitute breaking the driving regs, but he point blank refused to shift back as he needed a further hour rest......so I had to jump on the M3 for 5 junctions at a 50mph crawl to get to another airline.
Question is....was he right or was he a G I T?
Ive just read all the replies.... and I think he 'COULD' have been a G I T...... I have a digi card unit in my truck, I can switch off the ignition and put it on break/rest.... if after 5 minutes I need to move, I can start the truck move it a short distance then switch it off again and the digi tacho doesn't acknowledge that the truck has moved. So what is said about if you move it is recorded on the card is not actually 'always' correct!This BP garage has an M&S store on site and parked up right in front of the airline was an M&S artic with engine idling. When I approached the driver he gestured at me that he was having 'T'...and when I asked him to back up 10mtrs he refused saying he was on his break and would be sacked if he reversed. I did question if rolling back 10 mtrs on a private forecourt would constitute breaking the driving regs, but he point blank refused to shift back as he needed a further hour rest......so I had to jump on the M3 for 5 junctions at a 50mph crawl to get to another airline.
Question is....was he right or was he a G I T?
ymwoods said:
Getragdogleg said:
Did you know it is possible to get fined for not having a spare digi card till roll ? did you know its possible to be fined for not having two digi card till rolls ? One as a spare and the other to replace the spare ? Nor did I until recently.
Similar to France and the Breathalyser + spare plus Spare spare situation that is so mad.
I know, I used to only carry a spare up until a month ago. The story is that a driver was asked to do A weeks worth of print-outs by the DVSA (would have been DVLA back then) from the machine. The roll that was in the machine was almost out, so the driver put his spare in. He was then fined as he didn't have a spare roll as he had just put his in.Similar to France and the Breathalyser + spare plus Spare spare situation that is so mad.
It's actually quite difficult to do a full 28 days with absolutely no infringements and with the broad amount of things they could get you with...if they decided to look hard enough, your paying up.
It's the only industry where you can get fined for working harder.
te for drivers as possible? Why, if there is a requirement for spot checks, is it not possible for them to either download whatever data they need electronically, or if they have to have a bloody paper record they should bring their own printer and plug that in! WTF! A paper print out from an electronic tacho? It's 2014 FFS.hidetheelephants said:
Who comes up with this crap? Do they go out of their way to make it as ste for drivers as possible? Why, if there is a requirement for spot checks, is it not possible for them to either download whatever data they need electronically, or if they have to have a bloody paper record they should bring their own printer and plug that in! WTF! A paper print out from an electronic tacho? It's 2014 FFS.
Even with just the GB domestic rules for vans, I've been going through them and thinking this is military basic training mentality, as in you just aren't supposed to be able to comply with everything and they just want to see what you do.te for drivers as possible? Why, if there is a requirement for spot checks, is it not possible for them to either download whatever data they need electronically, or if they have to have a bloody paper record they should bring their own printer and plug that in! WTF! A paper print out from an electronic tacho? It's 2014 FFS.How did it get to be like this ?
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