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RYH64E

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113 months

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wormburner said:
RYH64E said:
...I have other cars for the 360 days in the year when I'm not using the Elise.
Are any of them Lotuses? That's their issue. Guys with enough space, inclination and money for a 5-day-a-year car, but not enough money for a 5-day-a-year Ferrari or GT3 are few and far between.
Have a look in the classified ads and see how often a 15 year Elise comes up for sale with <10,000 miles on the clock, they were largely bought as occasional use toys when they were new and that market is still there. Plenty of people have an old classic, or a new sports car, or a motorbike, or a boat, that get very occasional use. Lotus will never be Ford, they don't have to sell millions of cars, 5-10,000 weekend toys per year into a world wide market should be do-able.

odyssey2200

17,456 posts

78 months

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A few years back a Lotus dealer told me that >60% of all Elise sold new were kept for less that 12 month and that if the guy brought his OH to the showroom the chances of a sale were very low once she had tried to get in/out while maintaining her dignity hehe

That is where they have failed IMHO.

Far too focused to be sell in enough volume to pay the overheads.

They either need to rethink what sort/size of company they want to be in line with their current income or come up with a car that will generate enough profit to allow them to be the company that the aspire to be.

DonkeyApple

12,017 posts

38 months

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Yes.

Some of their track toys are simply wonderful and do exactly what they say on the tin. But road cars are a bit more difficult. Great cars but trapped in a very small niche.

Hence the move to bigger more GT like cars as that is exactly where the market is in regards to both sales numbers and margins.

As a casual aside, if Lotus sell 1,000 cars in a year and have a margin of £10k per unit is that kind of profit of much interest to anyone? Especially the risks of that margin coming under heavy pressure at any point.

It's an extremely tough business to be in.

Mass car producers have moved into this space with all their mod cons and looks and the ability to build very cheap. Not the same product to enthusiasts but pretty much for the general public they are.

Look at all the specialist track day firms eating in to that niche, a niche which Lotus really should have been the total ruler.

So multinationals are building small roadsters in bulk at low prices, myriad specialists building track cars, a whole host of companies selling weekend cars.

It's a bd of a market place for them to be in and to try and sell to people with such limited common and business sense that they think Lotus should be cheaper than the volume builders.

But I do feel their market lies in a halo road model like the Esprit and then a selection of barely road useable track cars for beginners up to mentally unstable.

Build in small numbers, build well and ensure a strong enough brand to guarantee a healthy margin.

Black S2K

455 posts

118 months

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The original proposal for the M100 was a car shared with Toyota in order to replace the AE86 and to help leverage Lotus volume. The Excel got the gearbox/diff & the M100 got a FWD Isuzu powertrain - only because GM took over.

Now I was just wondering; if Porsche wed themselved out with a VW Phaeton/Toerag clone, couldn't Lotus leverage something similar with Toyota for profitability? I dunno, maybe a halo version of a cheap Toyota sports car, rather than just the engine? Even if the basics come from Subaru anyway?

Love the Aspergo-mong shirts. Do Castle Lotus sell them yet?

Frimley111R

4,210 posts

103 months

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Latest news says he is suing DRB for unfair dismissal.
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PiB

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139 months

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I dismiss him every single day!

Maybe a unique SUV is the way to go. Any vehicle would work on him i suspect.
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