Mixing power steering fluid?

Mixing power steering fluid?

Author
Discussion

Garett

Original Poster:

1,626 posts

193 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
My Volvo S60 has been making some strange noises when doing tight manouveres at slow speeds, not a mechanical noise but a kind of graunching sound.

I want to renew the PAS fluid as the first port of call and the fluid in the car is a dirty red colour (ATF). I have been advised by Volvo and by my local trusted Volvo speialist that it should have green (Pentosin etc) fluid.

I've bought 1L of green (ECP sold me the CarLube stuff) and a syringe to extract the old fluid, but obviously this plan isn't flawless as some ATF will remain in the pipes, so I will have to do it at least twice.

So basically my question is will mixing the red and green cause some kind of horrific chemical reaction that will melt all the seals and destroy the expensive rack (worst case scenario)!

cars1993

390 posts

205 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
I wouldn't do it. The Green is designed for the Volvo ( believe the VAG group do as well). its similar to mixing 10w40 oil with 5w30 oil in a car or red coolant with blue


conkerman

3,301 posts

136 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
As above, apart from it make no sodding difference about mixing oils as long as the viscosity grade/approvals are right.


Toaster Pilot

14,621 posts

159 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
cars1993 said:
I wouldn't do it. The Green is designed for the Volvo ( believe the VAG group do as well). its similar to mixing 10w40 oil with 5w30 oil in a car or red coolant with blue
It sounds like they've already been mixed though - as in the system has been filled with the wrong fluid at some point

Where do you go from here? Got the same issue with my MX5

devnull

3,754 posts

158 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
It might be a better idea to undo a banjo bolt and drain the fluid that way, rather than trying to syringe it all out. I did this with my old CClass when the pump was dying.

williredale

2,866 posts

153 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
I used my engine oil sucky outy thing (whose name escapes me at the moment) to extract as much as I could when trying to get rid of the ATF/Pentonsin mix that I'd been left with. Having got as much out as possible I filled with Pentosin and then after driving around the block sucked that out too.
I then filled with a fresh load of Pentosin and have been using it like that for two years since with (touch wood) no problems with the steering rack.
As per the other thread that you linked to this one from the manual for my car is wrong so when it goes near a garage a large label is stuck to the top of the power steering reservoir with 'don't use ATF'. smile

williredale

2,866 posts

153 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
And the sucky outy thingy is a Pela 6000

http://www.pelapumps.co.uk/default.aspx?a10page=pl...

Toaster Pilot

14,621 posts

159 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
williredale said:
And the sucky outy thingy is a Pela 6000

http://www.pelapumps.co.uk/default.aspx?a10page=pl...
Oooo good shout - I'm after one of those that uses an air line for vacuum rather than hand pumping

conkerman

3,301 posts

136 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
I have one of those. Useful tool.

cars1993

390 posts

205 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
I have a sucky out tool too. very handy.


Toaster Pilot

14,621 posts

159 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
Is it as bad to put the green stuff in a system that wants ATF?

ben5732

763 posts

157 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
Keep an eye for a leaky rack. It costs a fortune however and don't get a cheap one as they break really quickly as some on Volvo forums found out.

zcacogp

11,239 posts

245 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
Toaster Pilot said:
Is it as bad to put the green stuff in a system that wants ATF?
From a mixing point of view - I don't know.

However from a seals point of view, it is indeed a bad idea. The green stuff will eat the seals and you may well get a leak sooner or later.

(An aside, but ATF is dirt cheap, whereas the Pentosin stuff is expensive. I can understand using ATF in place of Pentosin but not vice-versa.)


Oli.

Toaster Pilot

14,621 posts

159 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
zcacogp said:
From a mixing point of view - I don't know.

However from a seals point of view, it is indeed a bad idea. The green stuff will eat the seals and you may well get a leak sooner or later.

(An aside, but ATF is dirt cheap, whereas the Pentosin stuff is expensive. I can understand using ATF in place of Pentosin but not vice-versa.)


Oli.
Only bottle on the shelf and a car with knackered pipes - I figured it did it less harm than running it completely dry.

I'll find out when I change the pipes and flush/fill it I guess smile

zcacogp

11,239 posts

245 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
Fair enough - I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

FWIW, I did something similar in my 944. Needed some new fluid and bought the green pentosin stuff by mistake (and thought at the time 'gosh, this is quite expensive!) Drained my system and put it in and it worked very well.

Fast forward about a month and - thankfully - the system started leaking. Thankfully? Yes, it had sprung a leak through the wall of a pipe, unrelated to the fluid choice. One new pipe and a bit of research later and I discovered that you shouldn't use pentosin in an ATF system as it eats the seals. I thus flushed the system with ATF and refilled it with the same stuff and all is well. I'm hoping that the pentosin wasn't in there long enough to cause any grief and think I learned an expensive lesson quite cheaply; a new PAS pipe from Pirtek was £40 whereas rebuilt racks come in at several hundred.


Oli.

Toaster Pilot

14,621 posts

159 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
thumbup

Do need to try and get round to sorting it, want it back on the road!

Garett

Original Poster:

1,626 posts

193 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
I've had the car 4 years now and have never thought to have checked it before. It was leaking from the reservoir when I first bought it and a Volvo indy I don't use anymore now have another strike against their name as they were the last ones in there and would have topped it up in 2011.

So I will carry out a drain and flush, as has been said any damage will have already been done. Although there currently is nothing untoward about the feeling of the steering just the noise mentioned above.

Does it absolutely have to be the Pentosin/Volvo stuff or will any 'green hydraulic steering fluid' do the job?

Thanks for everyone's input so far.

Garett

Original Poster:

1,626 posts

193 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
Thanks Kapitein, I know from your threads you are a big advocate of the D5 in its various guises, and rightly so they are fantastic mile munchers! I've had mine 4 years now and after 80k miles it just keeps soldiering on, although things like this will inevitably creep up as it get into its more elderly years.

I had a quick look this evening under the bonnet and the reservoir is caked in gunk it looks to have split on the join as it is made of 2 halves. I think it will need replacing, along with the hose to the pump as that too is covered and will surely have gone soft. Handily this video shows you the procedure for changing it, a job to do over the Xmas break! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOUElRbsuQE

williredale

2,866 posts

153 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
quotequote all
Garett said:
Thanks Kapitein, I know from your threads you are a big advocate of the D5 in its various guises, and rightly so they are fantastic mile munchers! I've had mine 4 years now and after 80k miles it just keeps soldiering on, although things like this will inevitably creep up as it get into its more elderly years.

I had a quick look this evening under the bonnet and the reservoir is caked in gunk it looks to have split on the join as it is made of 2 halves. I think it will need replacing, along with the hose to the pump as that too is covered and will surely have gone soft. Handily this video shows you the procedure for changing it, a job to do over the Xmas break! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOUElRbsuQE
That was exactly what happened to mine. I ordered a replacement reservoir and fitted it. From memory the hardest part was getting the hose clips off the hoses next to the reservoir. I reused the hoses after cleaning them and them seem fine.