RE: New Polestar 3 unveiled with up to 517hp

RE: New Polestar 3 unveiled with up to 517hp

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silent ninja

863 posts

101 months

Friday 14th October 2022
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AndrewNR said:
2600kg
£80k+
517bhp and 'only' 0-60 in 4.7 seconds?

Looks incredibly Tesla like inside too - uninspiring.
Wow, 2600kg?!
Can it by sporty and dynamic at that weight, or just straight line American speed?

Expensive and heavy. I do like the exterior but not sure it's special enough. It might look better in the flesh.

The Polestar 2 is pretty nice but I still felt it wasn't as premium as the BMW iX3. It's great to have so much competition in the EV space. There are simply too many manufacturers that I think the market can't sustain. The next ten years will be interesting as we see a new order of perhaps 3-5 manufacturers that rule the car market. I'd bet on Hyundai right now, for example.

silent ninja

863 posts

101 months

Friday 14th October 2022
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Spiros115 said:
1% BIK i.e company cars, I would wager 90% of taycans in this country are driven by company execs who effectively aren’t paying anything for them, it’s a complete no brainer.

Incidentally IMO that’s another reason why BMW have stuffed the iX so badly for this country, company execs are typically older, want discrete luxury for their daily driver (so as to travel well without flaunting wealth to employees), the iX couldn’t be more in your face!
Interesting observation and totally correct in my view. I was out with a couple of partners a few weeks ago, and they were talking exactly about why they can't have an iX or Taycan - at least they could bring neither to work as clients would think they're rolling in money/ripping them off, and employees would get jealous. So they called out cars like the Audi SQ5 - fancy but real world enough that people don't get pissed.

Of course on our company car scheme (salary sacrifice) you can have as many cars as you like and for personal use only. So imagine their personal cars and what their kids drive. It's alright for some!

Julian Scott

2,521 posts

25 months

Friday 14th October 2022
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rare6499 said:
Who is buying these kinds of cars. They all look the same. Dull as dishwater. And yet they cost 80k+!

I’m obviously living in a totally different world to everyone else.

80k to me is a really special car, not a generic SUV to carry the kids around in.
You think that looks that same as every other £80k SUV? Really?

Post 5 cars that you think look the same as that.....

Julian Scott

2,521 posts

25 months

Friday 14th October 2022
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Philz4mc said:
Can someone explain why no one apart from Tesla makes a big car with a big boot?!?! This is longer than my F Pace SVR which had 650L, longer than Tesla Y with 850L and Polestar can only manage a non kid friendly 480 litres. Same deal with Taycan
Batteries.

Julian Scott

2,521 posts

25 months

Friday 14th October 2022
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Red_Kite said:
Philz4mc said:
Can someone explain why no one apart from Tesla makes a big car with a big boot?!?! This is longer than my F Pace SVR which had 650L, longer than Tesla Y with 850L and Polestar can only manage a non kid friendly 480 litres. Same deal with Taycan
Exactly. Test drove a Taycan last weekend. It's a fantastic car, but how can a car that is 5m long and 2m wide have a rear boot of only 400 litres? This Polestar is only marginally better - similar dimensions and a boot of <500l. I guess Polestar / Volvo will push customers towards the EX90 when it comes out, but one of the supposed advantages of better packaging in EVs is being completely missed by a lot of manufacturers.
The Taycan is not designed to rival a 1990s E-Class or large Volvo estate.

Julian Scott

2,521 posts

25 months

Friday 14th October 2022
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silent ninja said:
AndrewNR said:
2600kg
£80k+
517bhp and 'only' 0-60 in 4.7 seconds?

Looks incredibly Tesla like inside too - uninspiring.
Wow, 2600kg?!
Can it by sporty and dynamic at that weight, or just straight line American speed?

Expensive and heavy. I do like the exterior but not sure it's special enough. It might look better in the flesh.

The Polestar 2 is pretty nice but I still felt it wasn't as premium as the BMW iX3. It's great to have so much competition in the EV space. There are simply too many manufacturers that I think the market can't sustain. The next ten years will be interesting as we see a new order of perhaps 3-5 manufacturers that rule the car market. I'd bet on Hyundai right now, for example.
Does it need to be sporty and dynamic? I drove a FFRR P400, it was beautiful, and in now way did it feel sporty and dynamic; nor did I remotely expect it to.

Valveman

39 posts

169 months

Saturday 15th October 2022
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I see Polestar are serious about climate change and saving the planet then!

Just what the world needs, a 517HP EV. I am really surprised the EU and other countries haven't defined a power limit for EVs. No EV really needs to be more than about 130HP. The more the HP the bigger the battery you need, the more natural resources are needed to make such vehicles, and the extra power required off our electricity grid which is needed to charge them. With ever more stringent speed limits these high powered cars are utterly ridiculous...

farmerjack

3 posts

53 months

Saturday 15th October 2022
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rare6499 said:
Who is buying these kinds of cars. They all look the same. Dull as dishwater. And yet they cost 80k+!

I’m obviously living in a totally different world to everyone else.

80k to me is a really special car, not a generic SUV to carry the kids around in.
Not sure that 0-60 is "dull as dishwater", arguably puts it into reasonably exotic league. The other point is that when you buy an EV to some degree you are investing more capital for lower running costs, so £80k capex isn't necessarily a good metric to use as comparison on total cost of ownership

Hackney

6,855 posts

209 months

Saturday 15th October 2022
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hu8742 said:
Nice car. If I didn't already have a Model Y (with a Rivian on the way) then this would be a serious consideration.

Price might seem high but what isn't these days. Soon Dacia's will cost 30k+
Rivian on the way? Your profile says UK, are you shipping one over from the states or does "on the way" have a really long timeline?
Are they available to order in the UK yet?

herebebeasties

672 posts

220 months

Saturday 15th October 2022
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Valveman said:
I see Polestar are serious about climate change and saving the planet then!

Just what the world needs, a 517HP EV. I am really surprised the EU and other countries haven't defined a power limit for EVs. No EV really needs to be more than about 130HP. The more the HP the bigger the battery you need, the more natural resources are needed to make such vehicles, and the extra power required off our electricity grid which is needed to charge them. With ever more stringent speed limits these high powered cars are utterly ridiculous...
You need to be able to put all the kinetic energy back into the batteries when you decelerate otherwise the efficiency will be useless. And for that you need beefy motors and lots of high current-capacity batteries. You pretty much get lots of power/acceleration for free if you have effective regen. And what manufacturer is going to deilberately limit the power of their car and make it slow, when the componentry allows it not to be?

130hp? Are you on the right web site? Mumsnet is over there ---->

Julian Scott

2,521 posts

25 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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Valveman said:
I see Polestar are serious about climate change and saving the planet then!

Just what the world needs, a 517HP EV. I am really surprised the EU and other countries haven't defined a power limit for EVs. No EV really needs to be more than about 130HP. The more the HP the bigger the battery you need, the more natural resources are needed to make such vehicles, and the extra power required off our electricity grid which is needed to charge them. With ever more stringent speed limits these high powered cars are utterly ridiculous...
Where does 'need' come in with just about every car purchase, ever?

Julian Scott

2,521 posts

25 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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herebebeasties said:
You need to be able to put all the kinetic energy back into the batteries when you decelerate otherwise the efficiency will be useless. And for that you need beefy motors and lots of high current-capacity batteries. You pretty much get lots of power/acceleration for free if you have effective regen. And what manufacturer is going to deilberately limit the power of their car and make it slow, when the componentry allows it not to be?

130hp? Are you on the right web site? Mumsnet is over there ---->
Surely Mumsnet is left, not right?

otolith

56,253 posts

205 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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Valveman said:
I see Polestar are serious about climate change and saving the planet then!

Just what the world needs, a 517HP EV. I am really surprised the EU and other countries haven't defined a power limit for EVs. No EV really needs to be more than about 130HP. The more the HP the bigger the battery you need, the more natural resources are needed to make such vehicles, and the extra power required off our electricity grid which is needed to charge them. With ever more stringent speed limits these high powered cars are utterly ridiculous...
You need the larger battery for range. The power comes free. It's not like an ICE where more power means lower efficiency.

Why does your two seater Mercedes SL "need" at least 230bhp?

RichardHMorris

275 posts

91 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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No CarPlay = no purchase.

TheRainMaker

6,352 posts

243 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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RichardHMorris said:
No CarPlay = no purchase.
What makes you think it won't have CarPlay? the Polestar 2 has it.

I have to say though, I think the Polestar setup is better than CarPlay in any case, I used it once just to see how it worked and never bothered again.



Julian Scott

2,521 posts

25 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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RichardHMorris said:
No CarPlay = no purchase.
Really? Am I the only person that doesn't like Apple CarPlay?

My new car has it, the dealer automatically selected it for me as he was showing me round the car, I went with it as everyone raves about it, but much as I'm fully in the Apple ecosystem, and huge fan of every one of their products, I just don't like CarPlay, primarily form an aesthetic perspective. My car's OEM Pivi system is way superior IMO.


otolith

56,253 posts

205 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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The big value of Carplay or Android Auto is that all car satnavs suck to a greater or lesser extent, and increasingly so as the car ages and the mobile software and hardware continue to evolve. That might become less of an issue as over-the-air software updates become more commonplace.

greggy50

6,170 posts

192 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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otolith said:
The big value of Carplay or Android Auto is that all car satnavs suck to a greater or lesser extent, and increasingly so as the car ages and the mobile software and hardware continue to evolve. That might become less of an issue as over-the-air software updates become more commonplace.
It's pointless in the Polestar 2 as its based off android auto and the maps are google and update all the time.

I suspect the 3 will be the same, however I am sure it will have Car Play as the 2 does (albeit it took a while)

TheRainMaker

6,352 posts

243 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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otolith said:
The big value of Carplay or Android Auto is that all car satnavs suck to a greater or lesser extent, and increasingly so as the car ages and the mobile software and hardware continue to evolve. That might become less of an issue as over-the-air software updates become more commonplace.
It will just date like anything else, an over-the-air update won't help after a point.

I have a 2nd generation iPad, no current apps work with that, the only option is to update the hardware, just like Tesla is doing with the Model S.



otolith

56,253 posts

205 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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TheRainMaker said:
otolith said:
The big value of Carplay or Android Auto is that all car satnavs suck to a greater or lesser extent, and increasingly so as the car ages and the mobile software and hardware continue to evolve. That might become less of an issue as over-the-air software updates become more commonplace.
It will just date like anything else, an over-the-air update won't help after a point.

I have a 2nd generation iPad, no current apps work with that, the only option is to update the hardware, just like Tesla is doing with the Model S.
It will, eventually the hardware will become obsolete and unsupported and it will remain the case that people driving a ten year old car have a two year old phone which functionally outperforms it. But certainly regularly updated software means that in-car satnavs are likely to date less slowly than they used to.