Militant runners on country lanes

Militant runners on country lanes

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boyse7en

6,772 posts

166 months

Monday 22nd April
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Nexus Icon said:
heebeegeetee said:
So what is supposed to happen? That basically, pedestrians, cyclists, and presumably horse riders all stay off the roads they've paid for (and possibly live on), and only motorists be allowed?
Your words, not mine, but there are plenty of roads to choose from and there are ways to be more visible. Running the inside of a bend on a single track road, 3 ft out from the edge, behind a 6 ft hedge is basically suicidal. I drive to the visibility and conditions but I meet plenty who don't. Like I said, being in the right is not much comfort if you're dead.
So which roads are you planning on banning cars from so that they stop flattening runners/walkers/cyclists/horse riders? There are, after all, plenty of other roads for cars to drive on.


Gordon Hill

889 posts

16 months

Monday 22nd April
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President Merkin said:
nickfrog said:
Exactly. They don't even pay road tax, nor insurance, no registration either. Cyclists are barely human. The bds.
hehe Sub human scum.
Parasites the lot of em, flog em I say, flog em in public and make an example of em, this is what you get when you don't pay road tax.

Red9zero

6,963 posts

58 months

Monday 22nd April
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boyse7en said:
So which roads are you planning on banning cars from so that they stop flattening runners/walkers/cyclists/horse riders? There are, after all, plenty of other roads for cars to drive on.
Didn't they close a few roads in that there London for some running types yesterday ?

3GGy

829 posts

183 months

Monday 22nd April
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We should take all recreational sport to the country roads, why stop at running or cycling?

The Wookie

13,973 posts

229 months

Monday 22nd April
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Julian Scott said:
Lucky? It's a travesty of justice that st driving/st attitudes gets excused.
Former driving instructor and the prose suggests he had a clean driving record, nothing to suggest he was on the phone, probably a diligent driver with above average training, maybe a momentary lapse of concentration, or obscured by the a-pillar, or caught in a saccade or some other weird human factors issue or freak turn of events.

It doesn't make it right or any less tragic but unfortunately it's a risk and it can happen, and that's before you even start considering the idiot drivers.

About ten years ago I got clipped by a bus mirror while cycling to work on an absolutely deserted, wide NSL A-road at 5.30am. It was daylight, sun wasn't directly ahead, I was covered in high-vis, had a couple of rear lights so it's not like I was difficult to see. If he'd hit me properly it wouldn't have mattered much if he had a st attitude or not.

It bothers me that there's no deeper explanation/investigation when there are incidents like the above. They just dish out a lightweight sentence almost accepting that he was otherwise a diligent driver without even vaguely understanding exactly how and why he made the mistake to feedback proper ways that the risk might be mitigated in the future. It's almost like in air accidents where anything without a direct mechanical failure was simply attributed to 'pilot error'. Or perhaps there is and it just isn't newsworthy enough to be reported.

Baldchap

7,707 posts

93 months

Monday 22nd April
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OP, if you can stop in the distance you can see to be clear on your own side of the road these runners shouldn't be an issue.

Master Bean

3,627 posts

121 months

Monday 22nd April
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3GGy said:
We should take all recreational sport to the country roads, why stop at running or cycling?
I tried Kayaking but the tarmac was too grippy.

braddo

10,589 posts

189 months

Monday 22nd April
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QuickQuack said:
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I've recently had one incident where there was a runner coming towards me on my side of the road, near the middle of my lane, and a cyclist catching up with him on the other side with a line of cars behind the cyclist who had been unable to overtake him. There was no space for me to swerve into the opposite side of the road due to the cyclist and the cars behind him, me going on the verge wouldn't really have helped, and it would've been an absolutely mad thing to do. With the runner still coming towards me, the only thing I could do was to physically stop, which I did, since there literally was nowhere I could go.

It sounds like a very narrow road, with oncoming traffic and you have assumed that the runner should jump off the road so that you don't have to stop. Was there anywhere safe for the runner to get off the road to make room?

Otherwise he is seeing a large car coming at him that is going to run him over, until the car (you) suddenly stops.


visitinglondon

353 posts

190 months

Monday 22nd April
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Antony Moxey said:
aeropilot said:
QuickQuack said:
Is it me out of touch with the modern world or am I justified in thinking that this behaviour is unacceptable and this new breed of runners are a bunch of bell ends?
They are bell-ends, just as many of the lycra-cycle lot are now the law has been stupidly changed to make them higher priority than cars.......they think they can do what they like, as the car driver will now always be in the wrong.
There's irony right there ^
I don’t think you understand what irony is.

Robertb

1,497 posts

239 months

Monday 22nd April
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Master Bean said:
3GGy said:
We should take all recreational sport to the country roads, why stop at running or cycling?
I tried Kayaking but the tarmac was too grippy.
There are potholes near us where recreational boating is an option.

I'm thinking Golf, or archery. Clay shooting?

Lotobear

6,434 posts

129 months

Monday 22nd April
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Chasing Potatoes said:
Like drivers who demand unimpeded progress at any speed? Well said.
Point me to the bit in my post where I excluded anyone from the need to be courteous in behaviour, you appear apt to jumping to wild conclusions about the motivations of other posters - perhaps you are one of those swarms of angry middle aged Rapha clad road warriors?

heebeegeetee

28,874 posts

249 months

Monday 22nd April
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braddo said:
QuickQuack said:
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I've recently had one incident where there was a runner coming towards me on my side of the road, near the middle of my lane, and a cyclist catching up with him on the other side with a line of cars behind the cyclist who had been unable to overtake him. There was no space for me to swerve into the opposite side of the road due to the cyclist and the cars behind him, me going on the verge wouldn't really have helped, and it would've been an absolutely mad thing to do. With the runner still coming towards me, the only thing I could do was to physically stop, which I did, since there literally was nowhere I could go.

It sounds like a very narrow road, with oncoming traffic and you have assumed that the runner should jump off the road so that you don't have to stop. Was there anywhere safe for the runner to get off the road to make room?

Otherwise he is seeing a large car coming at him that is going to run him over, until the car (you) suddenly stops.
I don't have anything to say about the OP itself other than it's not something I've encountered myself, but thinking about the bit you quote:

"the only thing I could do was to physically stop" OP, what's the issue there? It's not unusual to have to stop now and then for other road users?

Chasing Potatoes

213 posts

6 months

Monday 22nd April
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Lotobear said:
Point me to the bit in my post where I excluded anyone from the need to be courteous in behaviour, you appear apt to jumping to wild conclusions about the motivations of other posters - perhaps you are one of those swarms of angry middle aged Rapha clad road warriors?
What was that you were saying about wild conclusions?

Your language gives you away.

QuickQuack

Original Poster:

2,257 posts

102 months

Monday 22nd April
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braddo said:
QuickQuack said:
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I've recently had one incident where there was a runner coming towards me on my side of the road, near the middle of my lane, and a cyclist catching up with him on the other side with a line of cars behind the cyclist who had been unable to overtake him. There was no space for me to swerve into the opposite side of the road due to the cyclist and the cars behind him, me going on the verge wouldn't really have helped, and it would've been an absolutely mad thing to do. With the runner still coming towards me, the only thing I could do was to physically stop, which I did, since there literally was nowhere I could go.

It sounds like a very narrow road, with oncoming traffic and you have assumed that the runner should jump off the road so that you don't have to stop. Was there anywhere safe for the runner to get off the road to make room?

Otherwise he is seeing a large car coming at him that is going to run him over, until the car (you) suddenly stops.
Did you even read the bit you quoted? The bit I bolded for you? I DID stop! What else was I supposed to do, run him over or crash head on into the oncoming traffic? The runner didn't seem to like the fact that I stopped in my lane and didn't move out to the oncoming lane, he seemed to believe that it was his personal lane. I have no idea what he expected me to do. I stopped. I STOPPED!!! Is that clear yet?

I fully agree that bad driving, close passes of cyclists and runners are appalling, and that the driving instructor in the article above didn't go to jail is a travesty of justice, he deserved to be banged up for a hell of a long time. I have no time for bad driving as much as I have no timing aggressive bully boy antics from runners or cyclists.

The only person who could've avoided a confrontation in the incident I had was the runner, who could've simply stepped onto the verge for a few seconds to allow me to pass, and life would've gone on uninterrupted for everyone, but no, he had to be an arse.

I give a very wide berth to runners and cyclists, I slow down before overtaking so as not to unbalance cyclists, I avoid puddles around them, stay well behind if unable to overtake and try to make their life easier in general. In return, it would be good if the runners and cyclists could occasionally see some sense and make life easier for everyone's benefit, too.

And no, the tens of thousands of miles of country lanes linking villages to villages, towns and cities weren't tarmaced with runners and pedestrians in mind. This isn't the Roman or medieval times and the primary mode of transport isn't walking or horses. If anybody in any position of power decided to lower all NSL single carriageways to 20 mph, the millions who don't run on those roads but drive on them would revolt, so it's a stupid, impractical suggestion that would bring the country to a gridlock overnight. It's never going to happen.

We all need to use the roads sensibly and with a bit of thought about other users, including other types of users. Drivers need to think about cyclists, runners and horses, runners and cyclists need to think about those in metal boxes. It won't work if everyone remains tribal.

heebeegeetee

28,874 posts

249 months

Monday 22nd April
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QuickQuack said:
Did you even read the bit you quoted? The bit I bolded for you? I DID stop! What else was I supposed to do, run him over or crash head on into the oncoming traffic? The runner didn't seem to like the fact that I stopped in my lane and didn't move out to the oncoming lane, he seemed to believe that it was his personal lane. I have no idea what he expected me to do. I stopped. I STOPPED!!! Is that clear yet?

I fully agree that bad driving, close passes of cyclists and runners are appalling, and that the driving instructor in the article above didn't go to jail is a travesty of justice, he deserved to be banged up for a hell of a long time. I have no time for bad driving as much as I have no timing aggressive bully boy antics from runners or cyclists.

The only person who could've avoided a confrontation in the incident I had was the runner, who could've simply stepped onto the verge for a few seconds to allow me to pass, and life would've gone on uninterrupted for everyone, but no, he had to be an arse.

I give a very wide berth to runners and cyclists, I slow down before overtaking so as not to unbalance cyclists, I avoid puddles around them, stay well behind if unable to overtake and try to make their life easier in general. In return, it would be good if the runners and cyclists could occasionally see some sense and make life easier for everyone's benefit, too.

And no, the tens of thousands of miles of country lanes linking villages to villages, towns and cities weren't tarmaced with runners and pedestrians in mind. This isn't the Roman or medieval times and the primary mode of transport isn't walking or horses. If anybody in any position of power decided to lower all NSL single carriageways to 20 mph, the millions who don't run on those roads but drive on them would revolt, so it's a stupid, impractical suggestion that would bring the country to a gridlock overnight. It's never going to happen.

We all need to use the roads sensibly and with a bit of thought about other users, including other types of users. Drivers need to think about cyclists, runners and horses, runners and cyclists need to think about those in metal boxes. It won't work if everyone remains tribal.
It was the mass cycling movement back in the day who got the lanes tarmacced, due to the problems with dust.

I'm still not clear why you think it was noteworthy that you had to stop. Is it possible that you weren't the only car on the road and maybe the runner was getting fed up of stepping aside for every car that comes along? He is after all just as entitled as you to use the road and it is you who is taking up more space on the road...

Other than that I can't help, militant runners isn't an issue I've encountered yet. smile

gazza285

9,835 posts

209 months

Monday 22nd April
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lancslad58

603 posts

9 months

Monday 22nd April
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[quote=QuickQuack]Has anyone else been noticing a trend for people to be running on country lanes recently or is this something more confined to my locality in Northamptonshire?


Training for the London Marathon it was on Sunday

MrTrilby

953 posts

283 months

Monday 22nd April
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QuickQuack said:
Did you even read the bit you quoted? The bit I bolded for you? I DID stop! What else was I supposed to do, run him over or crash head on into the oncoming traffic?
Perhaps a reason why people are suggesting you are in the wrong is because you described your options as “swerving into the other lane” or stopping. That makes it sound like you were not being very observant, or you were assuming the runner would move out of your way, and so at last minute you were left with the option of swerving or braking hard and stopping just in front of them. It would be quite understandable why anyone - runner or walker - would be quite upset to have a car drive at them at speed and then brake hard at last minute.

Maybe what you meant was that you saw the runner well in advance and couldn’t move over to the other lane in good time because of oncoming traffic, so instead you gently came to a stop well before the runner to give them space to feel safe and to continue running towards you whilst you waited for the oncoming traffic to clear. That would make the runner seem unreasonable if you ended up waiting for a while before it was safe to pass them and they were also then forced to stop.

Antony Moxey

8,128 posts

220 months

Monday 22nd April
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visitinglondon said:
Antony Moxey said:
aeropilot said:
QuickQuack said:
Is it me out of touch with the modern world or am I justified in thinking that this behaviour is unacceptable and this new breed of runners are a bunch of bell ends?
They are bell-ends, just as many of the lycra-cycle lot are now the law has been stupidly changed to make them higher priority than cars.......they think they can do what they like, as the car driver will now always be in the wrong.
There's irony right there ^
I don’t think you understand what irony is.
Yep, I think I understand perfectly thanks.

Julian Scott

2,586 posts

25 months

Monday 22nd April
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QuickQuack said:
braddo said:
QuickQuack said:
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I've recently had one incident where there was a runner coming towards me on my side of the road, near the middle of my lane, and a cyclist catching up with him on the other side with a line of cars behind the cyclist who had been unable to overtake him. There was no space for me to swerve into the opposite side of the road due to the cyclist and the cars behind him, me going on the verge wouldn't really have helped, and it would've been an absolutely mad thing to do. With the runner still coming towards me, the only thing I could do was to physically stop, which I did, since there literally was nowhere I could go.

It sounds like a very narrow road, with oncoming traffic and you have assumed that the runner should jump off the road so that you don't have to stop. Was there anywhere safe for the runner to get off the road to make room?

Otherwise he is seeing a large car coming at him that is going to run him over, until the car (you) suddenly stops.
Did you even read the bit you quoted? The bit I bolded for you? I DID stop! What else was I supposed to do, run him over or crash head on into the oncoming traffic? The runner didn't seem to like the fact that I stopped in my lane and didn't move out to the oncoming lane, he seemed to believe that it was his personal lane. I have no idea what he expected me to do. I stopped. I STOPPED!!! Is that clear yet?

I fully agree that bad driving, close passes of cyclists and runners are appalling, and that the driving instructor in the article above didn't go to jail is a travesty of justice, he deserved to be banged up for a hell of a long time. I have no time for bad driving as much as I have no timing aggressive bully boy antics from runners or cyclists.

The only person who could've avoided a confrontation in the incident I had was the runner, who could've simply stepped onto the verge for a few seconds to allow me to pass, and life would've gone on uninterrupted for everyone, but no, he had to be an arse.

I give a very wide berth to runners and cyclists, I slow down before overtaking so as not to unbalance cyclists, I avoid puddles around them, stay well behind if unable to overtake and try to make their life easier in general. In return, it would be good if the runners and cyclists could occasionally see some sense and make life easier for everyone's benefit, too.

And no, the tens of thousands of miles of country lanes linking villages to villages, towns and cities weren't tarmaced with runners and pedestrians in mind. This isn't the Roman or medieval times and the primary mode of transport isn't walking or horses. If anybody in any position of power decided to lower all NSL single carriageways to 20 mph, the millions who don't run on those roads but drive on them would revolt, so it's a stupid, impractical suggestion that would bring the country to a gridlock overnight. It's never going to happen.

We all need to use the roads sensibly and with a bit of thought about other users, including other types of users. Drivers need to think about cyclists, runners and horses, runners and cyclists need to think about those in metal boxes. It won't work if everyone remains tribal.
How wide is this road?

If two cars can pass, then sure there was enough space for you to slow (stop?) but leave space to your left for him to run past but without impeding the cycling on the opposite side of the road?

Yes, the oncoming cars may have needed to slow/stop but I can't see how you had to block the path of the runner? Unless the road was literally only 50% wider than your car and all cars had to use passing places to get past each other?