£20k - fast / engaging
Discussion
ScoobyChris said:
ninjag said:
I'm not all that bothered about the whole RWD purist thing, it's not as if we are all drifting around corners on the public roads.
Not to derail the topic (too much) but what has being a RWD purist got to do with drifting around corners on the public roads? Surely the whole "purity" thing is that the front wheels only do the steering and the rear wheels only do the driving?Chris
fflump said:
What is the other car in the household?
If it's not practical and not fun to drive it does not sound great.
Audi TT (mk3, 230ish bhp one). It's almost paid for and she won't get rid of it. Completely impractical, may as well be a two-seater and is not very fun to drive. But, it makes no sense financially to change it.If it's not practical and not fun to drive it does not sound great.
ninjag said:
I get what you mean about Audi handling, it's not as precise as say the Jaguar XF although the S4 Avant B8.5 has incredible grip on good tyres and can put 85% to the rear axle. Unfortunately, 2017+ would be B9 territory and I think it uses the quattro "ultra" system, which is essentially FWD until it needs grip at the rear. I'm not all that bothered about the whole RWD purist thing, it's not as if we are all drifting around corners on the public roads.
340i Touring could be worth a test drive if you can find one in budget, I think they are only RWD. I've found the F30 steering has a bit of a dead zone in the centre which I don't like, this is on three different ones and all owned from new, but they were x-drive (which also has a bit of a "sitting too high" feel.
The S4 Avant is a very good shout and as with a lot of these cars I should go and test drive one.340i Touring could be worth a test drive if you can find one in budget, I think they are only RWD. I've found the F30 steering has a bit of a dead zone in the centre which I don't like, this is on three different ones and all owned from new, but they were x-drive (which also has a bit of a "sitting too high" feel.
340i touring.. seems like a great option. Not loads of them around though at my price point.
CG2020UK said:
Nice M2s are starting to hit the £25K mark and seriously worth considering if you fancied stretching the budget.
Main problems in your list apart from budget is that standard the M2 is pretty loud (sets off car alarms in winter) and insurance can be high.
Apart from that it’s brilliant fun, RWD, fast and the N55 cars are bulletproof in terms of reliability. Does the practical stuff and can take 4 adults. Serious amount of car for the money. Fiesta ST for adults.
Downsides are it’s a very firm car, noisy and insurance is pricey. I also suggest winter tyres if you are using it over winter as the rear can be very lively at low speeds.
Are you sure you can fit adults in the back of a 2 series? I have to have my seat all the way back in most cars.Main problems in your list apart from budget is that standard the M2 is pretty loud (sets off car alarms in winter) and insurance can be high.
Apart from that it’s brilliant fun, RWD, fast and the N55 cars are bulletproof in terms of reliability. Does the practical stuff and can take 4 adults. Serious amount of car for the money. Fiesta ST for adults.
Downsides are it’s a very firm car, noisy and insurance is pricey. I also suggest winter tyres if you are using it over winter as the rear can be very lively at low speeds.
DaveyBoyWonder said:
Tell two of the adults to take the bus/walk/have their legs amputated and get a 996/997.
That'd be nice wouldn't it. A Porsche 911 would be my dream car. Unfortunately one of the requirements is actually to accommodate a teenager who's too big to fit in the back of the TT. Therefore any journeys requiring more than 2 people to go anywhere (a lot of them..) end up being in my car. This is just one of the reasons I need something a bit bigger, especially head room wise. Boot space is important as well with constant trips to DIY places picking up large things & going to IKEA, plus at least one or two long trips in England each year. I can't go for an out and out sports car.Chucky-egg said:
Mercedes CLA45 AMG shooting brake (looks better than the saloon).
Megane RS280, or if you’re willing to go a little older an RS275 Trophy or slightly newer Cup-S. This trader is well known in the Megane scene and sells some really nice cars.
https://www.performanceonly.co.uk/stocklist
I really dislike the Mercedes, think it looks odd and the interior is a bit bling bling. I had an opportunity to get one quite cheap on a friends/family lease scheme recently, so I went and drove one. It was really fast, but I overall it just wasn't for me.Megane RS280, or if you’re willing to go a little older an RS275 Trophy or slightly newer Cup-S. This trader is well known in the Megane scene and sells some really nice cars.
https://www.performanceonly.co.uk/stocklist
Whilst I love a good french hot hatch, I've had several 172/182s and a Megane F1, so have kind of been there and done that. If I could have an R26.R locked away somewhere with a daily driver too, that'd be nice...
KTMsm said:
Older than you would like but :
BMW M3 3.2 or 4.0
Lexus ISF 5.0 V8
Mercedes C63
All have been on and promptly off my list. I think they're just getting to the point where the running costs could be fine or disastrous. I'm not too handy with the spanners so don't want to take the risk. Really do like a V8 though, especially some of the older C63s. They sound incredible. BMW M3 3.2 or 4.0
Lexus ISF 5.0 V8
Mercedes C63
I know that talking about reliability etc then saying I'd really fancy an Alfa Guilia is an oxymoron with their rep, but it seems like the newer ones are a lot more reliable.
Scootersp said:
BMW 6 series Grand Coupe
Infiniti Q50 3.0T V6 Sport
Mercedes-Benz C Class 3.0 C43 V6 AMG
Maserati Ghibli 3.0 V6 S
Not a fan of most of these. I couldn't see myself in any except the Merc, but the ones at my price point are all Cat S or really high mileage. plus they should have kept the V8!Infiniti Q50 3.0T V6 Sport
Mercedes-Benz C Class 3.0 C43 V6 AMG
Maserati Ghibli 3.0 V6 S
ZX10R NIN said:
Any of the suggestions work for you OP?
Not entirely, but thanks anyway. I quite like the Kia Stinger, it was kind of on my list. Will have to seek out a test drive.So I think I'll look at these:
Alfa Guilia Veloce
340i Touring
S4 Avant (B8.5)
Kia Stinger
mjf1 said:
CG2020UK said:
Nice M2s are starting to hit the £25K mark and seriously worth considering if you fancied stretching the budget.
Main problems in your list apart from budget is that standard the M2 is pretty loud (sets off car alarms in winter) and insurance can be high.
Apart from that it’s brilliant fun, RWD, fast and the N55 cars are bulletproof in terms of reliability. Does the practical stuff and can take 4 adults. Serious amount of car for the money. Fiesta ST for adults.
Downsides are it’s a very firm car, noisy and insurance is pricey. I also suggest winter tyres if you are using it over winter as the rear can be very lively at low speeds.
Are you sure you can fit adults in the back of a 2 series? I have to have my seat all the way back in most cars.Main problems in your list apart from budget is that standard the M2 is pretty loud (sets off car alarms in winter) and insurance can be high.
Apart from that it’s brilliant fun, RWD, fast and the N55 cars are bulletproof in terms of reliability. Does the practical stuff and can take 4 adults. Serious amount of car for the money. Fiesta ST for adults.
Downsides are it’s a very firm car, noisy and insurance is pricey. I also suggest winter tyres if you are using it over winter as the rear can be very lively at low speeds.
The M2 is slightly bigger inside than the standard 2 series. We have a G21 3 series and they are pretty much spot on size wise.
If you’re exceptionally tall you’ll have issues but same as any hot hatch/3 series size car.
ninjag said:
ScoobyChris said:
ninjag said:
I'm not all that bothered about the whole RWD purist thing, it's not as if we are all drifting around corners on the public roads.
Not to derail the topic (too much) but what has being a RWD purist got to do with drifting around corners on the public roads? Surely the whole "purity" thing is that the front wheels only do the steering and the rear wheels only do the driving?Chris
So I have been able to increase my budget a bit, begrudgingly, because I just can't find what I want for 20k.
I've found a 2018 LCI OG M2 which has all the optional extras I want, in the colour I want (grey). It's also quite low mileage & 'enthusiast owned' with a really good history that will enable me to get an extended BMW warranty. It isn't officially for sale but the owner is almost ready to part ways as a new, more expensive toy is arriving soon. Price is around £27k, maybe a bit less if I can do a deal.
I'm trying to coordinate a test drive of an M2 at a BMW dealer near the seller of the above car, so I can do a back-to-back evaluation. It'll be the first time I've driven an M2 at all and I'm OK with making a trip then not buying it. However, the M2 seems to tick a lot of boxes. There's not loads of them close to me so test driving is proving difficult.
At my budget, an M2 Competition is out of the question. I'd want to be at a minimum of £33k for a good example. I've also found that for some reason the insurance comes in at about 30% more but I could always try a few more quotes. I'd probably want to get the crank hub issue future proofed straight away which adds more cost. Also from what I've read, the 'OG' may be a bit more exciting to drive & will make a better noise?
Have I missed any other obvious choices?
I know the Guilia was mentioned but they have a lot of common issues, the dealer/specialist network is poor and insurance was insane. I think they get stolen a lot.
I've found a 2018 LCI OG M2 which has all the optional extras I want, in the colour I want (grey). It's also quite low mileage & 'enthusiast owned' with a really good history that will enable me to get an extended BMW warranty. It isn't officially for sale but the owner is almost ready to part ways as a new, more expensive toy is arriving soon. Price is around £27k, maybe a bit less if I can do a deal.
I'm trying to coordinate a test drive of an M2 at a BMW dealer near the seller of the above car, so I can do a back-to-back evaluation. It'll be the first time I've driven an M2 at all and I'm OK with making a trip then not buying it. However, the M2 seems to tick a lot of boxes. There's not loads of them close to me so test driving is proving difficult.
At my budget, an M2 Competition is out of the question. I'd want to be at a minimum of £33k for a good example. I've also found that for some reason the insurance comes in at about 30% more but I could always try a few more quotes. I'd probably want to get the crank hub issue future proofed straight away which adds more cost. Also from what I've read, the 'OG' may be a bit more exciting to drive & will make a better noise?
Have I missed any other obvious choices?
I know the Guilia was mentioned but they have a lot of common issues, the dealer/specialist network is poor and insurance was insane. I think they get stolen a lot.
mjf1 said:
At my budget, an M2 Competition is out of the question. I'd want to be at a minimum of £33k for a good example. I've also found that for some reason the insurance comes in at about 30% more but I could always try a few more quotes. I'd probably want to get the crank hub issue future proofed straight away which adds more cost. Also from what I've read, the 'OG' may be a bit more exciting to drive & will make a better noise?
I think the OG does sound better, but the extra turbo in the Comp does give it a bit more hunger at the top of the revs though for me. I own a F82 M4, and I've been a passenger in both an M2 OG and an M2 Comp around Cadwell Park, so I've got some experience of the two engines to compare. Jimjimhim said:
From what I've read or seen online the Giulias are pretty much as reliable as any other similar car, yes they have certain issues, but what car doesn't?
Alfas have a bad reputation for reliability, which dates from old models (some). as you say, the Giulia has no more problems than the others, but the reputation... lots of BMWs and Mercedes have had disastrous problems but the associated reputation for legendary reliability quickly makes its problems forgottenmjf1 said:
So I have been able to increase my budget a bit, begrudgingly, because I just can't find what I want for 20k.
I've found a 2018 LCI OG M2 which has all the optional extras I want, in the colour I want (grey). It's also quite low mileage & 'enthusiast owned' with a really good history that will enable me to get an extended BMW warranty. It isn't officially for sale but the owner is almost ready to part ways as a new, more expensive toy is arriving soon. Price is around £27k, maybe a bit less if I can do a deal.
I'm trying to coordinate a test drive of an M2 at a BMW dealer near the seller of the above car, so I can do a back-to-back evaluation. It'll be the first time I've driven an M2 at all and I'm OK with making a trip then not buying it. However, the M2 seems to tick a lot of boxes. There's not loads of them close to me so test driving is proving difficult.
At my budget, an M2 Competition is out of the question. I'd want to be at a minimum of £33k for a good example. I've also found that for some reason the insurance comes in at about 30% more but I could always try a few more quotes. I'd probably want to get the crank hub issue future proofed straight away which adds more cost. Also from what I've read, the 'OG' may be a bit more exciting to drive & will make a better noise?
Have I missed any other obvious choices?
I know the Guilia was mentioned but they have a lot of common issues, the dealer/specialist network is poor and insurance was insane. I think they get stolen a lot.
My advice is if you go the N55 M2 is that you shouldn’t need to bother with the extended warranty so saves you £850ish a year. M2C you definitely need it for the crankhub. I've found a 2018 LCI OG M2 which has all the optional extras I want, in the colour I want (grey). It's also quite low mileage & 'enthusiast owned' with a really good history that will enable me to get an extended BMW warranty. It isn't officially for sale but the owner is almost ready to part ways as a new, more expensive toy is arriving soon. Price is around £27k, maybe a bit less if I can do a deal.
I'm trying to coordinate a test drive of an M2 at a BMW dealer near the seller of the above car, so I can do a back-to-back evaluation. It'll be the first time I've driven an M2 at all and I'm OK with making a trip then not buying it. However, the M2 seems to tick a lot of boxes. There's not loads of them close to me so test driving is proving difficult.
At my budget, an M2 Competition is out of the question. I'd want to be at a minimum of £33k for a good example. I've also found that for some reason the insurance comes in at about 30% more but I could always try a few more quotes. I'd probably want to get the crank hub issue future proofed straight away which adds more cost. Also from what I've read, the 'OG' may be a bit more exciting to drive & will make a better noise?
Have I missed any other obvious choices?
I know the Guilia was mentioned but they have a lot of common issues, the dealer/specialist network is poor and insurance was insane. I think they get stolen a lot.
M2C service costs are also more. M2 OG is cheaper.
I picked the LCI after test driving both. Weirdly I actually drive an M2C once a month on behalf of a friend’s dad who works away, his dad doesn’t trust him or the brother so I pick it up and me and him take it a spin for a coffee. Still firmly in the N55 M2 camp and always recommend people test drive both before buying to make their own mind up.
It’s worth noting the S55 in the M2C doesn’t deliver its power the same way as it does in M3/4. It copies the M2 N55 but has gentler delivery low down so doesn’t feel as eager. So yes you have the S55 in the M2C but it’s the same as the N55 just with a bit more up too. The M3/4 the S55 is noticeably stronger.
You certainly have engagement and fun at legal road speeds. If you don’t you are driving wrong. Without pointing out the obvious but it’s a very fast car and you are very quickly into 3 figures and cornering at bonkers speeds.
Mine does the whole works from family duties, to trackdays and long cruises. Honestly probably the perfect car for me. Only change I’d make is adaptive suspension for when I’m in comfort as it is a very firm car.
Edited by CG2020UK on Saturday 27th April 15:45
mjf1 said:
So I have been able to increase my budget a bit, begrudgingly, because I just can't find what I want for 20k.
I've found a 2018 LCI OG M2 which has all the optional extras I want, in the colour I want (grey). It's also quite low mileage & 'enthusiast owned' with a really good history that will enable me to get an extended BMW warranty. It isn't officially for sale but the owner is almost ready to part ways as a new, more expensive toy is arriving soon. Price is around £27k, maybe a bit less if I can do a deal.
I'm trying to coordinate a test drive of an M2 at a BMW dealer near the seller of the above car, so I can do a back-to-back evaluation. It'll be the first time I've driven an M2 at all and I'm OK with making a trip then not buying it. However, the M2 seems to tick a lot of boxes. There's not loads of them close to me so test driving is proving difficult.
At my budget, an M2 Competition is out of the question. I'd want to be at a minimum of £33k for a good example. I've also found that for some reason the insurance comes in at about 30% more but I could always try a few more quotes. I'd probably want to get the crank hub issue future proofed straight away which adds more cost. Also from what I've read, the 'OG' may be a bit more exciting to drive & will make a better noise?
Have I missed any other obvious choices?
I know the Guilia was mentioned but they have a lot of common issues, the dealer/specialist network is poor and insurance was insane. I think they get stolen a lot.
Sounds overpriced for an OG I've found a 2018 LCI OG M2 which has all the optional extras I want, in the colour I want (grey). It's also quite low mileage & 'enthusiast owned' with a really good history that will enable me to get an extended BMW warranty. It isn't officially for sale but the owner is almost ready to part ways as a new, more expensive toy is arriving soon. Price is around £27k, maybe a bit less if I can do a deal.
I'm trying to coordinate a test drive of an M2 at a BMW dealer near the seller of the above car, so I can do a back-to-back evaluation. It'll be the first time I've driven an M2 at all and I'm OK with making a trip then not buying it. However, the M2 seems to tick a lot of boxes. There's not loads of them close to me so test driving is proving difficult.
At my budget, an M2 Competition is out of the question. I'd want to be at a minimum of £33k for a good example. I've also found that for some reason the insurance comes in at about 30% more but I could always try a few more quotes. I'd probably want to get the crank hub issue future proofed straight away which adds more cost. Also from what I've read, the 'OG' may be a bit more exciting to drive & will make a better noise?
Have I missed any other obvious choices?
I know the Guilia was mentioned but they have a lot of common issues, the dealer/specialist network is poor and insurance was insane. I think they get stolen a lot.
I have a mate looking to sell a JCW clubman. The 300bhp 4wd version. 4.5 secs to 60.
Would tick lots of boxes for you.
Looking for £21k.
I owned an OG M2 for a while. Great package but not the last word in driver involvement and easy to do silly speeds. I would have another though i'd want a quieter exhaust as they're stupidly loud on cold start.
Would tick lots of boxes for you.
Looking for £21k.
I owned an OG M2 for a while. Great package but not the last word in driver involvement and easy to do silly speeds. I would have another though i'd want a quieter exhaust as they're stupidly loud on cold start.
LowTread said:
I have a mate looking to sell a JCW clubman. The 300bhp 4wd version. 4.5 secs to 60.
Would tick lots of boxes for you.
Looking for £21k.
I owned an OG M2 for a while. Great package but not the last word in driver involvement and easy to do silly speeds. I would have another though i'd want a quieter exhaust as they're stupidly loud on cold start.
I just messaged you on this - we are looking for one atm Would tick lots of boxes for you.
Looking for £21k.
I owned an OG M2 for a while. Great package but not the last word in driver involvement and easy to do silly speeds. I would have another though i'd want a quieter exhaust as they're stupidly loud on cold start.
Jimjimhim said:
From what I've read or seen online the Giulias are pretty much as reliable as any other similar car, yes they have certain issues, but what car doesn't?
You are right but my main issue is a lack of local knowledge. I'd have no idea where to take it whereas I've got a lot of options for work on a BMWKTMsm said:
You said you wanted engagement at road speeds
Unless you're willing to double the speed limit on an NSL you're not going to get it in an M2
That's interesting because almost everything i've read says otherwise! Have you got/had an M2? What's the alternative at this price point?Unless you're willing to double the speed limit on an NSL you're not going to get it in an M2
CG2020UK said:
My advice is if you go the N55 M2 is that you shouldn’t need to bother with the extended warranty so saves you £850ish a year. M2C you definitely need it for the crankhub.
M2C service costs are also more. M2 OG is cheaper.
I picked the LCI after test driving both. Weirdly I actually drive an M2C once a month on behalf of a friend’s dad who works away, his dad doesn’t trust him or the brother so I pick it up and me and him take it a spin for a coffee. Still firmly in the N55 M2 camp and always recommend people test drive both before buying to make their own mind up.
It’s worth noting the S55 in the M2C doesn’t deliver its power the same way as it does in M3/4. It copies the M2 N55 but has gentler delivery low down so doesn’t feel as eager. So yes you have the S55 in the M2C but it’s the same as the N55 just with a bit more up too. The M3/4 the S55 is noticeably stronger.
You certainly have engagement and fun at legal road speeds. If you don’t you are driving wrong. Without pointing out the obvious but it’s a very fast car and you are very quickly into 3 figures and cornering at bonkers speeds.
Mine does the whole works from family duties, to trackdays and long cruises. Honestly probably the perfect car for me. Only change I’d make is adaptive suspension for when I’m in comfort as it is a very firm car.
Thank you that's encouraging. Have you looked at the Litchfield suspension upgrade/setup? I've read about that transforming the car and making it more comfortable.M2C service costs are also more. M2 OG is cheaper.
I picked the LCI after test driving both. Weirdly I actually drive an M2C once a month on behalf of a friend’s dad who works away, his dad doesn’t trust him or the brother so I pick it up and me and him take it a spin for a coffee. Still firmly in the N55 M2 camp and always recommend people test drive both before buying to make their own mind up.
It’s worth noting the S55 in the M2C doesn’t deliver its power the same way as it does in M3/4. It copies the M2 N55 but has gentler delivery low down so doesn’t feel as eager. So yes you have the S55 in the M2C but it’s the same as the N55 just with a bit more up too. The M3/4 the S55 is noticeably stronger.
You certainly have engagement and fun at legal road speeds. If you don’t you are driving wrong. Without pointing out the obvious but it’s a very fast car and you are very quickly into 3 figures and cornering at bonkers speeds.
Mine does the whole works from family duties, to trackdays and long cruises. Honestly probably the perfect car for me. Only change I’d make is adaptive suspension for when I’m in comfort as it is a very firm car.
Edited by CG2020UK on Saturday 27th April 15:45
sunnyb13 said:
Sounds overpriced for an OG
I'd agree to a point but if you can find a <50k mileage 2018+ LCI in mineral grey, with DCT, sunroof, HK, electric seats, folding mirrors, adaptive LEDs, full history and on-time RIS for less, send me a link pleaseLowTread said:
I have a mate looking to sell a JCW clubman. The 300bhp 4wd version. 4.5 secs to 60.
Would tick lots of boxes for you.
Looking for £21k.
I owned an OG M2 for a while. Great package but not the last word in driver involvement and easy to do silly speeds. I would have another though i'd want a quieter exhaust as they're stupidly loud on cold start.
I'm not a fan of Minis. Although I've had use of a Cooper S in the past and they are quite fun to drive it's not what I want. Just personal preference, despite impressive performance figures.Would tick lots of boxes for you.
Looking for £21k.
I owned an OG M2 for a while. Great package but not the last word in driver involvement and easy to do silly speeds. I would have another though i'd want a quieter exhaust as they're stupidly loud on cold start.
The exhaust note has concerned me a bit as well, I'm not sure my neighbours will be very happy. But then I rarely go out at unsociable times so it should be ok.
Unfortunately never drove the Litchfield upgrades so can’t comment.
I have heard good things but. Another guy who seems to know his stuff is Reeves though have never had any dealings with him.
My M2 is the only car I’ve never remapped, changed or modified as I’m scared of ruining it. All I’ve done is brake fluid, pads and tyres and honestly I’m happy.
I have heard good things but. Another guy who seems to know his stuff is Reeves though have never had any dealings with him.
My M2 is the only car I’ve never remapped, changed or modified as I’m scared of ruining it. All I’ve done is brake fluid, pads and tyres and honestly I’m happy.
mjf1 said:
So I have been able to increase my budget a bit, begrudgingly, because I just can't find what I want for 20k.
I've found a 2018 LCI OG M2 which has all the optional extras I want, in the colour I want (grey). It's also quite low mileage & 'enthusiast owned' with a really good history that will enable me to get an extended BMW warranty. It isn't officially for sale but the owner is almost ready to part ways as a new, more expensive toy is arriving soon. Price is around £27k, maybe a bit less if I can do a deal.
I'm trying to coordinate a test drive of an M2 at a BMW dealer near the seller of the above car, so I can do a back-to-back evaluation. It'll be the first time I've driven an M2 at all and I'm OK with making a trip then not buying it. However, the M2 seems to tick a lot of boxes. There's not loads of them close to me so test driving is proving difficult.
At my budget, an M2 Competition is out of the question. I'd want to be at a minimum of £33k for a good example. I've also found that for some reason the insurance comes in at about 30% more but I could always try a few more quotes. I'd probably want to get the crank hub issue future proofed straight away which adds more cost. Also from what I've read, the 'OG' may be a bit more exciting to drive & will make a better noise?
Have I missed any other obvious choices?
I know the Guilia was mentioned but they have a lot of common issues, the dealer/specialist network is poor and insurance was insane. I think they get stolen a lot.
Based on what you seem to be looking for, my only advice is to avoid any Alfa Giulia in Veloce or below guise. An M2 is on another planet by comparison. I've found a 2018 LCI OG M2 which has all the optional extras I want, in the colour I want (grey). It's also quite low mileage & 'enthusiast owned' with a really good history that will enable me to get an extended BMW warranty. It isn't officially for sale but the owner is almost ready to part ways as a new, more expensive toy is arriving soon. Price is around £27k, maybe a bit less if I can do a deal.
I'm trying to coordinate a test drive of an M2 at a BMW dealer near the seller of the above car, so I can do a back-to-back evaluation. It'll be the first time I've driven an M2 at all and I'm OK with making a trip then not buying it. However, the M2 seems to tick a lot of boxes. There's not loads of them close to me so test driving is proving difficult.
At my budget, an M2 Competition is out of the question. I'd want to be at a minimum of £33k for a good example. I've also found that for some reason the insurance comes in at about 30% more but I could always try a few more quotes. I'd probably want to get the crank hub issue future proofed straight away which adds more cost. Also from what I've read, the 'OG' may be a bit more exciting to drive & will make a better noise?
Have I missed any other obvious choices?
I know the Guilia was mentioned but they have a lot of common issues, the dealer/specialist network is poor and insurance was insane. I think they get stolen a lot.
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