powerful naturally aspirated v8 for £30k max

powerful naturally aspirated v8 for £30k max

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andrewcliffe

975 posts

225 months

Thursday 25th April
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4 seats - check
n / A - check
with a really good feeling of (pushes your back into the seat) - check
preference for manual - check
between 1990 to 2010 - check

Computes...

TVR Cerbera.
Aston Martin Vantage
Ford Mustang
BMW M3
BMW 6 series

Turbinox

Original Poster:

70 posts

14 months

Thursday 25th April
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30k£ ???

TVR Cerbera
Aston Martin Vantage

Ford Mustang: which model ???

BMW M3: e46 and e92 already done, very good but doesn't tick all the boxes for me

BMW 6 series: which model ??

remedy

1,654 posts

192 months

Thursday 25th April
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What is the reason for NA only? A supercharged V8 should be considered for the 'kick' you are looking for. Then you have access to the XKR or XFR with over 500bhp.
It's different to a turbo, strong acceleration and with a lovely accompanying whine as it spins up.

andrewcliffe

975 posts

225 months

Thursday 25th April
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TVR Cerbera / Aston Martin Vantage
there are both above on PH classifieds for under £ 30,000

Ford Mustang: which model ???
LHD version, but RHD version from 2015 in budget.

BMW 6 series: which model ??
BMW 6 series E63 645Ci or 650i


Edited by andrewcliffe on Thursday 25th April 13:11

T_S_M

728 posts

184 months

Thursday 25th April
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Lexus ISF if you don't like the design of the GSF.

The ISF is just as quick as the GSF because of the weight difference and it's got a really strong mid-range. Does have a stiff ride but this can be sorted for a few hundred quid. You'll get a very good one for mid £20k.

Had mine for over a year and it's been fantastic.



Edited by T_S_M on Thursday 25th April 13:15

Scootersp

3,197 posts

189 months

Thursday 25th April
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if you don't like the VXR you might need to settle for an Auto or go older for a manual.

Very rare newer manuals are a Panamera? and a manual Cayenne that I'd doubt you'd want!?


remedy

1,654 posts

192 months

Thursday 25th April
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T_S_M said:
Lexus ISF if you don't like the design of the GSF.

The ISF is just as quick as the GSF because of the weight difference and it's got a really strong mid-range. Does have a stiff ride but this can be sorted for a few hundred quid. You'll get a very good one for mid £20k.

Had mine for over a year and it's been fantastic.



Edited by T_S_M on Thursday 25th April 13:15
That is very nice. Off to auto trader...

Turbinox

Original Poster:

70 posts

14 months

Thursday 25th April
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remedy said:
What is the reason for NA only? A supercharged V8 should be considered for the 'kick' you are looking for. Then you have access to the XKR or XFR with over 500bhp.
It's different to a turbo, strong acceleration and with a lovely accompanying whine as it spins up.
had a powerful turbo car, now I'm looking for a powerful car NA. I was never attracted to the compressor, maybe I'm wrong? but I don't like the moaning and in general cars have no crescendo of torque.

i just want na for:
-telepathic response from the accelerator
- sound
- simplicity
- crescendo delivery of torque
- red line above 6500rpm

Edited by Turbinox on Thursday 25th April 13:31

Turbinox

Original Poster:

70 posts

14 months

Thursday 25th April
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T_S_M said:
Lexus ISF if you don't like the design of the GSF.

The ISF is just as quick as the GSF because of the weight difference and it's got a really strong mid-range. Does have a stiff ride but this can be sorted for a few hundred quid. You'll get a very good one for mid £20k.

Had mine for over a year and it's been fantastic.



Edited by T_S_M on Thursday 25th April 13:15
No lexus please

Turbinox

Original Poster:

70 posts

14 months

Thursday 25th April
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the list seems to look like in descending order of preference:

63 amg 6.2 C or E class
m5 e39
qpv 4.7-cerbera

maybe clk 500 5.5? no reviews here at the moment

davek_964

8,830 posts

176 months

Thursday 25th April
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Turbinox said:
what a v8 with a good torque to power ratio. £30k max

-4 doors or 4 seats minimum
-n / A
-with a really good feeling of (pushes your back into the seat)
-preference for manual or automatic gearbox with manual mode

Thanks
Seen the AM V8 Vantage mentioned a few times on this thread. The 4.7 might do that (I haven't driven one) but the 4.3 absolutely doesn't. It was one of the things I really disliked about its power delivery.
I haven't checked prices, but I'm surprised if 4.7s have dropped to below £30k now.

T_S_M

728 posts

184 months

Thursday 25th April
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davek_964 said:
Turbinox said:
what a v8 with a good torque to power ratio. £30k max

-4 doors or 4 seats minimum
-n / A
-with a really good feeling of (pushes your back into the seat)
-preference for manual or automatic gearbox with manual mode

Thanks
Seen the AM V8 Vantage mentioned a few times on this thread. The 4.7 might do that (I haven't driven one) but the 4.3 absolutely doesn't. It was one of the things I really disliked about its power delivery.
I haven't checked prices, but I'm surprised if 4.7s have dropped to below £30k now.
He might be struggle finding the rear seats in a Vantage or Cerbera as well laugh

Turbinox

Original Poster:

70 posts

14 months

Thursday 25th April
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davek_964 said:
Turbinox said:
what a v8 with a good torque to power ratio. £30k max

-4 doors or 4 seats minimum
-n / A
-with a really good feeling of (pushes your back into the seat)
-preference for manual or automatic gearbox with manual mode

Thanks
Seen the AM V8 Vantage mentioned a few times on this thread. The 4.7 might do that (I haven't driven one) but the 4.3 absolutely doesn't. It was one of the things I really disliked about its power delivery.
I haven't checked prices, but I'm surprised if 4.7s have dropped to below £30k now.
yes, things like rs4 b7 m3, vantage 4.3 don't have that feel, due to lack of torque I think.
the NA car has less feeling of kick and push than turbos in general because the rate of change of torque. but the big v8 torquey NA engines push you strongly on the seat according to the words and experience of the people who drove them

personally, maserati coupe 4.2, porsches 928, ml 55 amg, porsches cayman gts and 911 gt3 audi rs4 b7 and the m3 did not give me a "big" push like I was looking for.

Edited by Turbinox on Thursday 25th April 14:13

carlo996

5,757 posts

22 months

Thursday 25th April
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Turbinox said:
KIWIRS said:
My two favorites, because life begins when your sideways..

Lexus GSF.

Holden Commodore SS or HSV Clubsport, bonus of having manual available.
surely a great car, but I just don't like the design
Has to be an LS engine for what you desires 'if' you want NA. Lexus is also a great option.


alscar

4,152 posts

214 months

Thursday 25th April
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T_S_M said:
davek_964 said:
Turbinox said:
what a v8 with a good torque to power ratio. £30k max

-4 doors or 4 seats minimum
-n / A
-with a really good feeling of (pushes your back into the seat)
-preference for manual or automatic gearbox with manual mode

Thanks
Seen the AM V8 Vantage mentioned a few times on this thread. The 4.7 might do that (I haven't driven one) but the 4.3 absolutely doesn't. It was one of the things I really disliked about its power delivery.
I haven't checked prices, but I'm surprised if 4.7s have dropped to below £30k now.
He might be struggle finding the rear seats in a Vantage or Cerbera as well laugh
I think the Vantage suggested was the previous model ie not the “ new “ Gaydon built version.
Both that and the Cerb had rear seats albeit more suitable for short people / journeys.

GeniusOfLove

1,389 posts

13 months

Thursday 25th April
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Turbinox said:
what a v8 with a good torque to power ratio. £30k max

-4 doors or 4 seats minimum
-n / A
-with a really good feeling of (pushes your back into the seat)
-preference for manual or automatic gearbox with manual mode

Thanks
Are you after naturally aspirated because of how mushy and horrible turbos feel?

If so consider supercharged too, all the upsides of forced induction with none of the driveability downsides of turbos.

£30k should get you into a Jaguar X351 XJR or an earlier Supersport for a lot less. Plenty of pushing you into the seat torque because the torque comes in instantly and early on.

XFR or XFR-S if the XJ is too big.

They sound absolutely evil too, and if feel over top trumps figures is what you're after the instant response and the way Jaguar have set them up means they feel bonkers compared to other cars with the same power output. Properly laugh out loud funny when you're on it, even more so if you forego the four seats and get a convertible XK or F Type.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Thursday 25th April 15:49

aeropilot

34,676 posts

228 months

Thursday 25th April
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Turbinox said:
davek_964 said:
Turbinox said:
what a v8 with a good torque to power ratio. £30k max

-4 doors or 4 seats minimum
-n / A
-with a really good feeling of (pushes your back into the seat)
-preference for manual or automatic gearbox with manual mode

Thanks
Seen the AM V8 Vantage mentioned a few times on this thread. The 4.7 might do that (I haven't driven one) but the 4.3 absolutely doesn't. It was one of the things I really disliked about its power delivery.
I haven't checked prices, but I'm surprised if 4.7s have dropped to below £30k now.
yes, things like rs4 b7 m3, vantage 4.3 don't have that feel, due to lack of torque I think.
You seem to want 'big and torquey' but also a red line above 6500rpm?
Not many n/a engines will give you both, its generally one of the other, or rather one is compromised for the other. The V8's listed so far in thread that will spin beyond 6500 are not going to give you that shove in the back torque that you seem to crave....although that's a relative thing in terms of quantification.




Terzo123

4,322 posts

209 months

Thursday 25th April
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I think the redline on a W204 C63 is 7200 rpm.

Unrestricted with a simple remap you should see maybe 520 bhp. That should be enough to give you the shove you are after.

Turbinox

Original Poster:

70 posts

14 months

Thursday 25th April
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m5 e39 climbs to more than 7000, 63 amg too, the ls2 and ls3 engines go towards 6500 it seems to me. actually the m156 seems the right candidate.these engines develop on average not far from 350 ft pound pf torque at 2500 rpm and more after some

cerb4.5lee

30,735 posts

181 months

Thursday 25th April
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The Cerbera revs to 7500rpm, and it also torquey(well it did to me anyway), because it doesn't have a lot of weight to shift.

The Cerbera 4.5 also has 380 Ib/ft of torque, which is enough to be going on with in a car that weighs between 1100-1200kg I reckon.