All things Infotainment

All things Infotainment

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k_m

30 posts

3 months

Tuesday 13th February
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Yep, I'm afraid I cannot get rid of it. I've ust read in the '23 e guide user manual that voice control can only get activated by the remote stalk... and that is an indispensable function of the new apple/android system.


BCA

8,626 posts

258 months

Wednesday 14th February
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k_m said:
Is that awkward radio remote control thingy RH side of the steering wheel realy needed? Or in other words can I remove it and use the main unit for controling the same functions?
Besides the ugly and outdated appearance I noticed during my test drive that it was sometimes in the way when trying to shift with the RH paddle, especially in a turn.
This was something I struggled with before looking at the car properly, more from an aesthetics perspective but also from a general packaging one; however, I have to hold my hands up and say it actually works really well for me. The ability to mute/pause something with one hand and drop down a few gears with the other just works. It’s one of the more effective parts of the cars ergonomics and I otherwise just forget what it looks like.

Also for completeness in following up my earlier query on settings, I’ve played around with all sorts - tried different sources and formats of music and come to the conclusion that the sound quality is okay provided you don’t go above 70% volume. A little disappointing, but I’ve been spoilt by better systems(the best being a Lexus) - I may come back and try to improve this at a later stage, it’s acceptable for now.

Meonstoke

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269 posts

103 months

Wednesday 14th February
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BCA said:
This was something I struggled with before looking at the car properly, more from an aesthetics perspective but also from a general packaging one; however, I have to hold my hands up and say it actually works really well for me. The ability to mute/pause something with one hand and drop down a few gears with the other just works. It’s one of the more effective parts of the cars ergonomics and I otherwise just forget what it looks like.

Also for completeness in following up my earlier query on settings, I’ve played around with all sorts - tried different sources and formats of music and come to the conclusion that the sound quality is okay provided you don’t go above 70% volume. A little disappointing, but I’ve been spoilt by better systems(the best being a Lexus) - I may come back and try to improve this at a later stage, it’s acceptable for now.
I agree, the remote control on the steering column is actually very effective once you've got the hang of all its functions - it's especially simple for changing tracks, switching audio mode, and for adjusting the volume level. I also agree it's not the most sophisticated piece of kit. In fact, if memory serves, it's the same unit as used in my old 1992 Renault Chamade16V (remember those! great car!) - but it works well. And for RHD cars, you cannot see it in the cabin anyway, being tucked away on the RHS of the steering column.

Now for a 'dummy' moment: regarding the volume settings for the Focal system if you're mainly using bluetooth as I do; be aware of your mobile phone volume setting. I used to think the Focal sound at maximum volume was a bit weak until a mate pointed out to me that my mobile volume setting (at around 70%) was the reason....

Meonstoke

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269 posts

103 months

Wednesday 14th February
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7en said:
On a similar topic, I find the scroll wheel not the most reliable for changing tracks, as sometimes scrolling to the next track goes to the beginning of the same track, does anyone else experience this? It happens around once per drive via phone/Android Auto wireless with USB Audio Player Pro app.
Ref: the scroll wheel: I think you'll find that it's one direction for going back to the start of the track or scroll back further to the previous track; and vice-versa in the other direction to skip to the next track. I never have any issues with the scroll wheel, it remains consistent in my experience.

Meonstoke

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269 posts

103 months

Wednesday 14th February
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timbo999 said:
With the later system (car play etc) you can only adjust the volume on screen after you have used the remote control - doesn't stay on screen and, as far as I'm aware, you can't get to it any other way - unless anyone knows different?
Are you sure about this? That would not make a lot of sense. Even with CarPlay and AndroidAuto the updated infotainment system is not known to be particularly good; average at best. But if it's true that once you adjust the volume setting on the 'remote control' stalk you can only re-adjust the volume via the display screen; then that's a PITA indeed! Can anyone else confirm? Perhaps Timbo needs advice on adjusting his audio / media settings.
That characteristic is not present on the old infotainment system; the remote stalk works all the time for adjusting the volume, up and down.

Colin P

417 posts

144 months

Wednesday 14th February
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Nope, confirmed. The volume control only comes up on the touch screen when you adjust it via the stalk, but disappears after a second or two and there is no way of bringing it up other than by using the stalk. The stalk works all the time.

It doesn't bother me as:
1) the stalk is easiest anyway and it prevents passengers meddling with the volume biggrin
2) My wifes JCW has a volume knob, but the symbol on it rotates with the knob and my OCD just cannot accept it being anything other then precisely vertical - so I have to keep straightening it when other people leave it off centre. I am well used to only using steering wheel controls.

The control stalk is very good ergonomically, albeit somewhat aesthetically challenged.

Edited by Colin P on Wednesday 14th February 16:50

astage

35 posts

30 months

Wednesday 14th February
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Meonstoke said:
…Also, if you are experiencing a lot of bluetooth cut-out's then request your dealer to have MySpin to be re-installed / re-booted at your next service. It solved the bluetooth issue for me. It will also mean you will get the 2020 version of MySpin, so the maps will likely be more up to date than the 2018 versions.
This doesn't appear to be correct. The Bosch map data is held on a separate SD-card plugged into the control unit. The SD-card is not updated when the infotainment system is updated. You can buy an updated pre-programmed SD-card (on flea-bay) and plug this into the unit. Alternately, plugging an updated SD-card into the slot below the central controls will override the original card in the control unit. I have no idea about the newer CarPlay/Android Auto system.

Meonstoke

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269 posts

103 months

Wednesday 14th February
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astage said:
This doesn't appear to be correct. The Bosch map data is held on a separate SD-card plugged into the control unit. The SD-card is not updated when the infotainment system is updated. You can buy an updated pre-programmed SD-card (on flea-bay) and plug this into the unit. Alternately, plugging an updated SD-card into the slot below the central controls will override the original card in the control unit. I have no idea about the newer CarPlay/Android Auto system.
You may be right there, I have to admit, apologies. It is indeed true that you only need to plug the updated Bosch SD card into the slot below the central controls (and keep it there) and it will override the SD card that's behind the dashboard etc; so you will have updated data i.e. navigation maps for example. My Alpine service manager discovered that by accident when dealing with another client.

Meonstoke

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269 posts

103 months

Wednesday 14th February
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Colin P said:
Nope, confirmed. The volume control only comes up on the touch screen when you adjust it via the stalk, but disappears after a second or two and there is no way of bringing it up other than by using the stalk. The stalk works all the time.

It doesn't bother me as:
1) the stalk is easiest anyway and it prevents passengers meddling with the volume biggrin
2) My wifes JCW has a volume knob, but the symbol on it rotates with the knob and my OCD just cannot accept it being anything other then precisely vertical - so I have to keep straightening it when other people leave it off centre. I am well used to only using steering wheel controls.

The control stalk is very good ergonomically, albeit somewhat aesthetically challenged.

Edited by Colin P on Wednesday 14th February 16:50
I misunderstood what Timbo was referring to - I thought he meant that after using the remote stalk he could only then adjust the volume settings via the screen... Think I need to take a lie down and stay off the hooch!

timbo999

1,295 posts

256 months

Wednesday 14th February
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Meonstoke said:
I misunderstood what Timbo was referring to - I thought he meant that after using the remote stalk he could only then adjust the volume settings via the screen... Think I need to take a lie down and stay off the hooch!
To be fair, I'm not sure my post was as clear as it could have been...

As Colin says, its actually quite handy as it stops passengers (SWMBO in the main) overiding my 70s prog rock listening levels!

7en

231 posts

12 months

Thursday 15th February
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Meonstoke said:
Ref: the scroll wheel: I think you'll find that it's one direction for going back to the start of the track or scroll back further to the previous track; and vice-versa in the other direction to skip to the next track. I never have any issues with the scroll wheel, it remains consistent in my experience.
Thanks for clarifying but I have driven Renaults for over 20 years so it's already second nature. wink It could be software related, or even perhaps my hand jiggling on a bumpy road when going to change track. I will try other connection methods and pay closer attention as to when it happens...

BCA said:
Also for completeness in following up my earlier query on settings, I’ve played around with all sorts - tried different sources and formats of music and come to the conclusion that the sound quality is okay provided you don’t go above 70% volume. A little disappointing, but I’ve been spoilt by better systems(the best being a Lexus) - I may come back and try to improve this at a later stage, it’s acceptable for now.
I think the sound quality for a small cabin is excellent, the Focal system is true to their sound signature and incredibly detailed. Unfortunately you can only fully appreciate it with the engine off! I think a subwoofer could somewhat compensate but really the best audio upgrade would be sound proofing.


bcr5784

7,120 posts

146 months

Thursday 15th February
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7en said:
I think the sound quality for a small cabin is excellent, the Focal system is true to their sound signature and incredibly detailed. Unfortunately you can only fully appreciate it with the engine off! I think a subwoofer could somewhat compensate but really the best audio upgrade would be sound proofing.
If you feel the door panels when playing at even medium volume, there is noticeable vibration. It doesn't seem to affect sound quality as much as you might expect, but I have no doubt that damping pads attached to the panel would be a step forward.

BCA

8,626 posts

258 months

Thursday 15th February
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bcr5784 said:
7en said:
I think the sound quality for a small cabin is excellent, the Focal system is true to their sound signature and incredibly detailed. Unfortunately you can only fully appreciate it with the engine off! I think a subwoofer could somewhat compensate but really the best audio upgrade would be sound proofing.
If you feel the door panels when playing at even medium volume, there is noticeable vibration. It doesn't seem to affect sound quality as much as you might expect, but I have no doubt that damping pads attached to the panel would be a step forward.
I think this is probably the case, the distortion with full volume is more down to the isolation of sound rather than the speaker limits themselves.

vtecblack

91 posts

216 months

Tuesday 20th February
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Has anyone tried an Ottocast unit in an A110? https://www.ottocast.com

biggles330d

1,544 posts

151 months

Wednesday 21st February
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Don't we get a bit obsessed by the media stalk for no reason? My experience of it...

Test drive - got back to the dealer with a question about how to turn the radio up as I simply didn't even notice it, despite lots of fumbling around trying to work out how to work the volume control on the dash.

Owning car - it's behind the steering wheel and I simply don't see it when driving. Now I know its there its simplicity itself to use and in a very handy position. I like that only I'm in control of the volume....useful when with passengers! It just works. I don't much care that its been around forever, that just says to me its unlikely to break and if it does its as cheap as chips to replace. I can't say I've fully got to grips with the various buttons on it but thats just familiarity - I mostly have it on the radio and don't use the car every day so, other than volume, not many other functions get touched.

While the infotainment on my 2021 car doesn't benefit from CarPlay, I don't have that on any other car so don't miss it. The only issue with the screen and controls is the fiddly little 'buttons' on the touchscreen - never great on any RHD car in my experience because you are trying to control it with your left hand and most people are right handed.

I certainly don't get excited by the infotainment system as every car I've had has quickly improved in this area making any system you have feel outdated quite quickly. But does it actually do what I want it to? Yes, it does. Satnav is fine, radio and audio is really good quality. Interface poor. But it's certainly not at dreadful and laggy as my Discovery 4. But even that from a functionality perspective, does everything that much more modern systems do, just in a more clunky way.


OscarP

27 posts

32 months

Wednesday 21st February
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https://www.atelierdesignmecanique.fr/boutique/p/a...

I think it has been mentioned elsewhere - but for anyone with the old infotainment system - this is brilliant. Doesn't get in the eyeline, is well put together and easy to install. I have tried a vent holder which worked fine but meant too much looking away from the road. Since installing this I have stopped getting cross about the infotainment - just use bluetooth for music and Waze for Nav - happy days.

Meonstoke

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269 posts

103 months

Wednesday 21st February
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biggles330d said:
Don't we get a bit obsessed by the media stalk for no reason? My experience of it...

Test drive - got back to the dealer with a question about how to turn the radio up as I simply didn't even notice it, despite lots of fumbling around trying to work out how to work the volume control on the dash.

Owning car - it's behind the steering wheel and I simply don't see it when driving. Now I know its there its simplicity itself to use and in a very handy position. I like that only I'm in control of the volume....useful when with passengers! It just works. I don't much care that its been around forever, that just says to me its unlikely to break and if it does its as cheap as chips to replace. I can't say I've fully got to grips with the various buttons on it but thats just familiarity - I mostly have it on the radio and don't use the car every day so, other than volume, not many other functions get touched.

While the infotainment on my 2021 car doesn't benefit from CarPlay, I don't have that on any other car so don't miss it. The only issue with the screen and controls is the fiddly little 'buttons' on the touchscreen - never great on any RHD car in my experience because you are trying to control it with your left hand and most people are right handed.

I certainly don't get excited by the infotainment system as every car I've had has quickly improved in this area making any system you have feel outdated quite quickly. But does it actually do what I want it to? Yes, it does. Satnav is fine, radio and audio is really good quality. Interface poor. But it's certainly not at dreadful and laggy as my Discovery 4. But even that from a functionality perspective, does everything that much more modern systems do, just in a more clunky way.
My sentiments exactly! And it's not as if the current infotainment is particularly great, it's not, simply has CarPlay and AA. In the fullness of time, no doubt there'll be aftermarket infotainment upgrades / replacements tailored to fit all A110's.

Jacobyte

4,726 posts

243 months

Wednesday 21st February
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Does the nav (pre '22) account for traffic, then re-route if it spots a delay ahead?

I've not tried using it yet, as I've only ever done journeys where I know where I'm going.

Meonstoke

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269 posts

103 months

Wednesday 21st February
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Jacobyte said:
Does the nav (pre '22) account for traffic, then re-route if it spots a delay ahead?

I've not tried using it yet, as I've only ever done journeys where I know where I'm going.
Yes, it does. To be honest, I found the Bosch satnav display to be clearer in layout than the facelift satnav version. The main downside though is the maps are out of date. You can overcome this by inserting a compatible newer Bosch satnav SD card into the SD slot under the middle console - the SD card overwrites the one embedded under the dash. Somewhere on this thread (or the general Alpine thread) there is mention of which SD cards to buy and where for a quite reasonable low cost. Alpine don't support the Bosch SD cards longer and when they did they charged 450 Euro!

Albionmuz

30 posts

54 months

Wednesday 21st February
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vtecblack said:
Has anyone tried an Ottocast unit in an A110? https://www.ottocast.com
Edit - ignore

Edited by Albionmuz on Wednesday 21st February 14:22