Macan EV

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Cheib

23,310 posts

176 months

Friday 26th January
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Muzzer79 said:
I'd concur with those additions, save for number 8. The range isn't too bad, providing you get the bigger battery.

I had an e-tron GT (same car, different dress) and was getting 250 miles on a full charge regularly.

That's not brilliant, but it's not poor.
Taycan is somewhere in the ballpark of 2 to 2.5 miles per kw which is poor when you look at what some other EV’s achieve. I saw on one review yesterday they were quoting close to 4 for the Macan. Will be interesting to see what that is real world.

DMZ

1,409 posts

161 months

Friday 26th January
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Muzzer79 said:
I'd concur with those additions, save for number 8. The range isn't too bad, providing you get the bigger battery.

I had an e-tron GT (same car, different dress) and was getting 250 miles on a full charge regularly.

That's not brilliant, but it's not poor.

Speaking of the e-tron GT, it may be worth adding that as number 9. In my opinion it looks better, is cheaper, doesn't have an option list as long as your arm and the lead time was significantly shorter.

I know it's not a Porsche, but maybe Porsche are having their original-Jaguar X-Type/Ford Mondeo moment......
How’s the reliability on the e-tron GT? Does it have the same heater issues etc?

garystoybox

785 posts

118 months

Friday 26th January
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Cheib said:
Taycan is somewhere in the ballpark of 2 to 2.5 miles per kw which is poor when you look at what some other EV’s achieve. I saw on one review yesterday they were quoting close to 4 for the Macan. Will be interesting to see what that is real world.
I’ve averaged 2.7m per kw over 18000 of mixed all season driving on 21’s. I’ll be amazed if the Macan is anymore than 5-10% more efficient in the real world. Cue posts in 9 months time of why am I not getting close to 4? My expectations from real world comparable tests are for 10-15% better range than a Taycan and that’s with a bigger battery.

Motortrend averaged 2.9 miles per kw in their 250m Macan round trip (I did 200mile motorway trip in my Taycan last week in -3 conditions with heating on, seats and wheel on and got 2.6)

I wouldn’t be buying a Macan solely on the basis of significantly increased range or you’re likely to be very disappointed imo.

Edited by garystoybox on Friday 26th January 23:02

EC2

1,482 posts

254 months

Sunday 28th January
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nutbehinddawheel said:
My dealer asking 5k deposit.
30 cars for Q3/4 delivery 2024
The plan Porsche has for meeting minimum BEV percentage thresholds must be based on the Macan EV selling well which it inevitably will whatever people say about range and price, unless Starmer kills the BIK bribe but that is unlikely. The thing that gets me wondering is that any delay to these cars might cause Porsche a problem with the 2024 stats.

DMZ

1,409 posts

161 months

Sunday 28th January
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I bet you they have baked the fine into the ICE price. It’s a tax basically and they have increased prices a lot on 911’s etc. This is a lesser issue for the likes of Porsche vs brands lower in the food chain. As I’m sure has been mentioned the proper spreadsheet stuff will happen towards the end of the year where they will try to balance the books.

finmac

1,524 posts

239 months

Sunday 28th January
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EC2 said:
nutbehinddawheel said:
My dealer asking 5k deposit.
30 cars for Q3/4 delivery 2024
The plan Porsche has for meeting minimum BEV percentage thresholds must be based on the Macan EV selling well which it inevitably will whatever people say about range and price, unless Starmer kills the BIK bribe but that is unlikely. The thing that gets me wondering is that any delay to these cars might cause Porsche a problem with the 2024 stats.
You may be right about the Macan EV selling well regardless, however as someone who has had a £3K deposit against one for over 2 years I’m very disappointed about 1. The cut away rear end and 2. just how expensive it actually is. Unless you own your own business (which I don’t) and hence get some decent tax breaks there are plenty other cars which make way more sense financially. Spending £105/10K on a turbo with a few creature comforts seems (in my eyes at least) crazy!

Augustash

67 posts

63 months

Sunday 28th January
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100% agree, won’t be swapping my Macan GTS
I see no value in buying electric having retired early. For £110k might as well try and buy a GT4 RS if you could get a build slot

You may be right about the Macan EV selling well regardless, however as someone who has had a £3K deposit against one for over 2 years I’m very disappointed about 1. The cut away rear end and 2. just how expensive it actually is. Unless you own your own business (which I don’t) and hence get some decent tax breaks there are plenty other cars which make way more sense financially. Spending £105/10K on a turbo with a few creature comforts seems (in my eyes at least) crazy!
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fridaypassion

8,646 posts

229 months

Sunday 28th January
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Porsche might have missed a trick here they maybe should have thought about carrying the pricing over from the ICE cars. The Macan was a nice little entry into the brand our base one was about 57k with a nice spec. £23000 more now for the equivalent and no chance of having residuals as solid.

Then again if you look at the alternatives a Polestar is 3 80k 85 with performance pack plus add a bit more to both for spec. The Eletre is a load more. Tesla a lot cheaper but who wants a Tesla? Looking at it through that lens they have the pricing bang on. Polestar 2 is an interesting alternative at about 60 though. I couldn't get the Mrs into one though!

Ed.Neumann

445 posts

9 months

Monday 29th January
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fridaypassion said:
Porsche might have missed a trick here they maybe should have thought about carrying the pricing over from the ICE cars. The Macan was a nice little entry into the brand our base one was about 57k with a nice spec. £23000 more now for the equivalent and no chance of having residuals as solid.
I don't see them dropping the ICE Macans anytime soon, not when over 2/3 of sales are outside the EU. Is it not the EU's new "cyber security" rules that mean they won't be selling the ICE model within the EU? Just simply matter that they can't be bothered to update the current cars for another 3 or 4 years of production?
Cheaper to just not sell within the EU.

W12GT

3,547 posts

222 months

Monday 29th January
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Really ugly from the back. The front looks like a nice evolution of current generation. As others have said, I’m guessing that these will follow the same downward curve of the Taycan.

xxxx5

138 posts

58 months

Monday 29th January
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The back reminds me of a new Honda HR-V.

Terry Winks

1,220 posts

14 months

Monday 29th January
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Ha, Porsche might have peaked with the most “that should be standard but is an option”

A rear wiper…. On an SUV. Porsche I love you but ffs!! rofl

EC2

1,482 posts

254 months

Monday 29th January
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Terry Winks said:
Ha, Porsche might have peaked with the most “that should be standard but is an option”

A rear wiper…. On an SUV. Porsche I love you but ffs!! rofl
I laughed at that too but to not offer it as standard further underlines that this is a coupe and one not as hideous as the X4 I might add. Porsche tends to charge extra for lumbar seat controls so nothing is surprising.

Terminator X

15,170 posts

205 months

Monday 29th January
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DMZ said:
I bet you they have baked the fine into the ICE price. It’s a tax basically and they have increased prices a lot on 911’s etc. This is a lesser issue for the likes of Porsche vs brands lower in the food chain. As I’m sure has been mentioned the proper spreadsheet stuff will happen towards the end of the year where they will try to balance the books.
How so? If ICE cars start jumping £15k then no one will buy them and the manufacturer will be left with un-bought cars in fields. That can't be good for business.

TX.

DMZ

1,409 posts

161 months

Tuesday 30th January
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How much did Porsche increase their prices by last year? That’s your “how so”.

I’m pretty sure the whole idea is that we shouldn’t buy the cars, by the way, but relatively easy for Porsche the bury the tax if they need to.

Murph7355

37,793 posts

257 months

Tuesday 30th January
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Terminator X said:
How so? If ICE cars start jumping £15k then no one will buy them and the manufacturer will be left with un-bought cars in fields. That can't be good for business.

TX.
Adding 15k to the price of a 911 likely isn't the biggest of deals. I imagine doing so on the entry level Cayman might be... But also suspect they'll add less there and more on 911s. And then tune the order book. I doubt it's also coincidence that the electric boxster/cayman is nearly here.

Adding penalties on Polos and Golfs will be harder. But I reckon there'll be less resistance to those being electric anyway.

I expect all manufacturers will have to work on less volume moving forwards (the right thing if green is king). Watch out for more "subscription" models a la Volvo....

Sidsw

651 posts

86 months

Tuesday 30th January
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DMZ said:
How much did Porsche increase their prices by last year? That’s your “how so”.

I’m pretty sure the whole idea is that we shouldn’t buy the cars, by the way, but relatively easy for Porsche the bury the tax if they need to.
i posted this 8-10 months back. i was told by a pgb employee that price rises were to cover ev fines. the mafia in this country which some people call the government are well and truly shafting everybody!!

Wills2

23,007 posts

176 months

Tuesday 30th January
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fridaypassion said:
Porsche might have missed a trick here they maybe should have thought about carrying the pricing over from the ICE cars. The Macan was a nice little entry into the brand our base one was about 57k with a nice spec. £23000 more now for the equivalent and no chance of having residuals as solid.
Porsche told the market that they would charge 15% more for EVs and that their customers would pay it and volumes wouldn't be affected, all part of the plan when they spun off Porsche from VW, the aim was to attract P/E multiples more akin to a high end luxury brand, it worked for a while but they have been trading below the IPO for the last 2 months as the market lost faith that they could achieve such returns, but to U turn now would send the share price further down.

There is no base Macan EV currently to compare to the 265hp ICE Macan, the Macan 4 is 408hp so equal to the S ICE version 60k plays 70k or around 15% increase just as they promised.






Terry Winks

1,220 posts

14 months

Tuesday 30th January
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Wills2 said:
Porsche told the market that they would charge 15% more for EVs and that their customers would pay it and volumes wouldn't be affected, all part of the plan when they spun off Porsche from VW, the aim was to attract P/E multiples more akin to a high end luxury brand, it worked for a while but they have been trading below the IPO for the last 2 months as the market lost faith that they could achieve such returns, but to U turn now would send the share price further down.

There is no base Macan EV currently to compare to the 265hp ICE Macan, the Macan 4 is 408hp so equal to the S ICE version 60k plays 70k or around 15% increase just as they promised.
But I am sure the base Macan EV equivalent is what people were after, I would be. The only reason I wouldn't have one now is because of the 4 pot, but you have taken that away.

Wills2

23,007 posts

176 months

Tuesday 30th January
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Terry Winks said:
Wills2 said:
Porsche told the market that they would charge 15% more for EVs and that their customers would pay it and volumes wouldn't be affected, all part of the plan when they spun off Porsche from VW, the aim was to attract P/E multiples more akin to a high end luxury brand, it worked for a while but they have been trading below the IPO for the last 2 months as the market lost faith that they could achieve such returns, but to U turn now would send the share price further down.

There is no base Macan EV currently to compare to the 265hp ICE Macan, the Macan 4 is 408hp so equal to the S ICE version 60k plays 70k or around 15% increase just as they promised.
But I am sure the base Macan EV equivalent is what people were after, I would be. The only reason I wouldn't have one now is because of the 4 pot, but you have taken that away.
I think there will be one at around 60k perhaps a single motor front wheel drive one, I was pointing out that the comparison between the Macan 4 and the current base ICE Macan wasn't apples for apples.