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Murcielago_Boy
Original Poster
1,452 posts
108 months
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Gents, didn't get behind the wheel of it but have been taken for a hoon in it - so passenger experience only:
Want to know what shocked me most? THE BLOODY RIDE COMFORT!
I could not believe just how comfortable and pliant the electronic dampers make that car. The new generation 997RSs really are everyday cars now. This, the most focussed of the lot, just smothered bumps and lumps and potholes and man-hole covers, no worse than an old saloon. I really was completely flabbergasted.
I didn't get the chance to go for a burn so can't comment on just how great the car (probably) is.
Having said that, not sure I liked how it "felt" (compliance meant it didn't FEEL focussed) but that's probably just stupidity on my part (I commuted, amongst other things, almost daily in a 996RS). At the end of the day if you can get all the control and response without having your fillings rattled out then why not?
Seriously though, if you can live with the mad looks and cage, you can use it everyday in town.
Interesting no?
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kayc
3,316 posts
90 months
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Murcielago_Boy said: Gents, didn't get behind the wheel of it but have been taken for a hoon in it - so passenger experience only:
Want to know what shocked me most? THE BLOODY RIDE COMFORT!
I could not believe just how comfortable and pliant the electronic dampers make that car. The new generation 997RSs really are everyday cars now. This, the most focussed of the lot, just smothered bumps and lumps and potholes and man-hole covers, no worse than an old saloon. I really was completely flabbergasted.
I didn't get the chance to go for a burn so can't comment on just how great the car (probably) is.
Having said that, not sure I liked how it "felt" (compliance meant it didn't FEEL focussed) but that's probably just stupidity on my part (I commuted, amongst other things, almost daily in a 996RS). At the end of the day if you can get all the control and response without having your fillings rattled out then why not?
Seriously though, if you can live with the mad looks and cage, you can use it everyday in town.
Interesting no? Has the abilities/qualities of a GTR by the sounds of things..save 100k and buy one of them..
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cayman-black
2,684 posts
85 months
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Evo car of the year! even beat the Mclaren and Ferrari.
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J-P
2,482 posts
75 months
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kayc said: Murcielago_Boy said: Gents, didn't get behind the wheel of it but have been taken for a hoon in it - so passenger experience only:
Want to know what shocked me most? THE BLOODY RIDE COMFORT!
I could not believe just how comfortable and pliant the electronic dampers make that car. The new generation 997RSs really are everyday cars now. This, the most focussed of the lot, just smothered bumps and lumps and potholes and man-hole covers, no worse than an old saloon. I really was completely flabbergasted.
I didn't get the chance to go for a burn so can't comment on just how great the car (probably) is.
Having said that, not sure I liked how it "felt" (compliance meant it didn't FEEL focussed) but that's probably just stupidity on my part (I commuted, amongst other things, almost daily in a 996RS). At the end of the day if you can get all the control and response without having your fillings rattled out then why not?
Seriously though, if you can live with the mad looks and cage, you can use it everyday in town.
Interesting no? Has the abilities/qualities of a GTR by the sounds of things..save 100k and buy one of them.. No it doesn't -GTR is an awesome car but is pretty uncomfortable below about 50mph. After this, it's ok and a rocket ship. But if you like holding a road licence, it's best avoided! GT3 RS 4.0 is actually fine at any speed and utterly brimming with feel on track. It also sounds way better than a GTR and has a far greater sense of occasion. If you can live with the outrageous spoiler, big price and naff ground clearance, it's utterly fantastic. If I had the means, it would be in the garage!
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MadMark911
1,350 posts
18 months
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Lovely car - I would want mine in Black with no stickers .... 
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jackal
9,758 posts
151 months
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Murcielago_Boy said:
I could not believe just how comfortable and pliant the electronic dampers make that car. The new generation 997RSs really are everyday cars now. This, the most focussed of the lot, just smothered bumps and lumps and potholes and man-hole covers, no worse than an old saloon. I really was completely flabbergasted.
Driven an Evora S yet Murci ? It's a car with all sorts of shortcomings but for the very ability which you speak of, it is the absolute grandmaster and in another world altogether to anything i've driven (997RS.1 GT3.2 included).
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DS240
1,401 posts
87 months
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Ahhh the GTR debate again.
I can't afford either, but If I could have one, I sure as hell know which it would be. Porsche.
I'm not going to go into why over again though. I would have any model of 997 or 991 over a GTR. Yes even a boggo C2.
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puntograle
318 posts
77 months
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jackal said: Murcielago_Boy said:
I could not believe just how comfortable and pliant the electronic dampers make that car. The new generation 997RSs really are everyday cars now. This, the most focussed of the lot, just smothered bumps and lumps and potholes and man-hole covers, no worse than an old saloon. I really was completely flabbergasted.
Driven an Evora S yet Murci ? It's a car with all sorts of shortcomings but for the very ability which you speak of, it is the absolute grandmaster and in another world altogether to anything i've driven (997RS.1 GT3.2 included). This was the main rationale why after test driving a 997.2RS I opted to buy a 996RS. Much more raw experience. The relative economic factors (cost/risk/depreciation) can also be taken into account. Mind you, I would love a 4.0RS on principle alone! I think the economic factors are also favouable.
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jackal
9,758 posts
151 months
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puntograle said: jackal said: Murcielago_Boy said:
I could not believe just how comfortable and pliant the electronic dampers make that car. The new generation 997RSs really are everyday cars now. This, the most focussed of the lot, just smothered bumps and lumps and potholes and man-hole covers, no worse than an old saloon. I really was completely flabbergasted.
Driven an Evora S yet Murci ? It's a car with all sorts of shortcomings but for the very ability which you speak of, it is the absolute grandmaster and in another world altogether to anything i've driven (997RS.1 GT3.2 included). This is part of the rationale why after test driving a 997.2RS I opted to buy a 996RS. Much more raw experience. The relative economic factors (cost/risk/depreciation) can also be taken into account. Mind you, I would love a 4.0RS on principle alone! I think the economic factors are also favouable. Mind you I agree. I drove a 97 GT3.2 and a 996RS back to back recently and stepping into the earlier car was like peeling back several layers of 'gumpf' and having your body properly hardwired into the chassis. Don't get the GTR comment. Even in regular mode I found the spring rates pretty hard with stuiff damping and very little travel. I certainly wouldn't call it compliant. An Evora is a like a magic carpet made out of a billion mosquito wings in comparison.
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SFO
2,593 posts
52 months
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DS240 said: I would have any model of 997 or 991 over a GTR. Yes even a boggo C2. +1
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kayc
3,316 posts
90 months
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J-P said: No it doesn't -GTR is an awesome car but is pretty uncomfortable below about 50mph. After this, it's ok and a rocket ship. But if you like holding a road licence, it's best avoided!
GT3 RS 4.0 is actually fine at any speed and utterly brimming with feel on track. It also sounds way better than a GTR and has a far greater sense of occasion. If you can live with the outrageous spoiler, big price and naff ground clearance, it's utterly fantastic. If I had the means, it would be in the garage! So worth 4 times the price then for what appears to be a very subjective opinion..a Porsche(especially RS) is supposed to be a challenge to drive not a shopping car that goes fast with all bells and whistles to make the journey more comfortable,safer in the wet,great in London traffic and the wife loves driving it..have you come to the conclusion yet there is more than one reason why older more 'agricultural' 911's are sought after while the modern 'computer ' aided ones get hammered in price?Personally i think that Porsche(VW)with their desire to make 911's 'easier' to drive dilute the product to their much cheaper rivals.Gtr at a qtr of the price of an rs with Porsche happy to try and 'compete' technically to make their car easy to drive instead of going their own way is poor imo.
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J-P
2,482 posts
75 months
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kayc said: J-P said: No it doesn't -GTR is an awesome car but is pretty uncomfortable below about 50mph. After this, it's ok and a rocket ship. But if you like holding a road licence, it's best avoided!
GT3 RS 4.0 is actually fine at any speed and utterly brimming with feel on track. It also sounds way better than a GTR and has a far greater sense of occasion. If you can live with the outrageous spoiler, big price and naff ground clearance, it's utterly fantastic. If I had the means, it would be in the garage! So worth 4 times the price then for what appears to be a very subjective opinion..a Porsche(especially RS) is supposed to be a challenge to drive not a shopping car that goes fast with all bells and whistles to make the journey more comfortable,safer in the wet,great in London traffic and the wife loves driving it..have you come to the conclusion yet there is more than one reason why older more 'agricultural' 911's are sought after while the modern 'computer ' aided ones get hammered in price?Personally i think that Porsche(VW)with their desire to make 911's 'easier' to drive dilute the product to their much cheaper rivals.Gtr at a qtr of the price of an rs with Porsche happy to try and 'compete' technically to make their car easy to drive instead of going their own way is poor imo. Value for top end cars in terms of "is this car worth x over another?" is hard to quantify. Is a GTR worth twice a Megane RS? Law of diminishing returns says no of course but to us car nuts, it's not so simple. RS4.0 is challenging to drive fast. It's not a get-in and rag the tits off it kind of car. However, it just happens to be pleasant to drive at normal road speeds. It would not be great in traffic, as the clutch is still quite heavy and it's still a manual. My wife would hate driving it because of the bucket seats but it's not uncomfortable for driver or passenger on the road at normal speeds. GTR is pretty spectacularly uncomfortable when driven slowly. I still think its a great car and great value for money in performance terms but a GTR and a GT3RS 4.0 are aimed at different audiences IMHO. The more natural competitor to the GTR from the Porsche range is a 911 Turbo with PDK. Having said that the noise, feel, exclusivity and drive make the GT3RS4.0 worth a lot more than a GTR to me.
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MadMark911
1,350 posts
18 months
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kayc said: J-P said: No it doesn't -GTR is an awesome car but is pretty uncomfortable below about 50mph. After this, it's ok and a rocket ship. But if you like holding a road licence, it's best avoided!
GT3 RS 4.0 is actually fine at any speed and utterly brimming with feel on track. It also sounds way better than a GTR and has a far greater sense of occasion. If you can live with the outrageous spoiler, big price and naff ground clearance, it's utterly fantastic. If I had the means, it would be in the garage! So worth 4 times the price then for what appears to be a very subjective opinion..a Porsche(especially RS) is supposed to be a challenge to drive not a shopping car that goes fast with all bells and whistles to make the journey more comfortable,safer in the wet,great in London traffic and the wife loves driving it..have you come to the conclusion yet there is more than one reason why older more 'agricultural' 911's are sought after while the modern 'computer ' aided ones get hammered in price?Personally i think that Porsche(VW)with their desire to make 911's 'easier' to drive dilute the product to their much cheaper rivals.Gtr at a qtr of the price of an rs with Porsche happy to try and 'compete' technically to make their car easy to drive instead of going their own way is poor imo. Value is very subjective and I would suggest that anyone who bought a 4.0 RS wouldn't even look twice at a GTR! Let's face it, once you're in that rareified sector of being able to afford £150K plus, do you really care that there are several cheaper cars out there? I'm not in the same league, but when I decided I wanted a 997 GT3 - I could well have had a brand new GTR for similar money - or a new M3 for a lot less - but neither even entered my head!
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kayc
3,316 posts
90 months
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MadMark911 said: Value is very subjective and I would suggest that anyone who bought a 4.0 RS wouldn't even look twice at a GTR!
Let's face it, once you're in that rareified sector of being able to afford £150K plus, do you really care that there are several cheaper cars out there?
I'm not in the same league, but when I decided I wanted a 997 GT3 - I could well have had a brand new GTR for similar money - or a new M3 for a lot less - but neither even entered my head! I appreciate that..but people are quoting the 4.0 rs as much more driveable/usable etc and i think that is missing the point..i think that is attempting to match the challenge laid down by the like of Nissan with their computer wizadry..Porsches are supposed to be a challenge to drive imo..every new model Porsche seem to bring out now is becoming more designed for the 'everyday' user .
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MadMark911
1,350 posts
18 months
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kayc said: I appreciate that..but people are quoting the 4.0 rs as much more driveable/usable etc and i think that is missing the point..i think that is attempting to match the challenge laid down by the like of Nissan with their computer wizadry..Porsches are supposed to be a challenge to drive imo..every new model Porsche seem to bring out now is becoming more designed for the 'everyday' user . Ok - I agree with you on that bit! 
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J-P
2,482 posts
75 months
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Isn't the GTR about £80k these days?
Anyway, GT3 is still a road car, so the fact that it is nice enough to drive slowly on the road just means you're more likely to use it.
It's currently still a manual, so isn't simply a go-faster tech fest and it does demand a lot from the driver to really push it. No it won't kick you in the balls if you make a mistake but by and large that's a good thing IMHO.
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MadMark911
1,350 posts
18 months
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J-P said: Isn't the GTR about £80k these days?
Anyway, GT3 is still a road car, so the fact that it is nice enough to drive slowly on the road just means you're more likely to use it.
It's currently still a manual, so isn't simply a go-faster tech fest and it does demand a lot from the driver to really push it. No it won't kick you in the balls if you make a mistake but by and large that's a good thing IMHO. £74,480 and I was quoted a couple of grand off for taking a black one out of stock! I agree - enough - but not too much!
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Mermaid
12,479 posts
40 months
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graemel
4,578 posts
86 months
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kayc said: I appreciate that..but people are quoting the 4.0 rs as much more driveable/usable etc and i think that is missing the point..i think that is attempting to match the challenge laid down by the like of Nissan with their computer wizadry..Porsches are supposed to be a challenge to drive imo..every new model Porsche seem to bring out now is becoming more designed for the 'everyday' user . kayc as much as I may believe in your philosophy. Porsche's aim is to sell more 911's. Making them more user friendly and still a performance contender allows them to appeal to a far wider audience. They may spout about the heritage of the 911, the greatest sports car of all time, the DNA and that is just good pr. Means sod all in reality IMO
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Jim1556
220 posts
25 months
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jackal said: Driven an Evora S yet Murci ? It's the ugliest car on sale right now with the exception of the BMW M135i...!
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