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durbster
3,035 posts
91 months
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Rollcage said: A couple of Million to change all the signs, job done.
People will, I imagine, carry on driving at the same speed they already do. Change what signs? I agree, it won't make any difference to actual speeds. It just means less people getting done for speeding, if such a thing still happens to drivers doing 80. In Australia's Northern Territory they used to have no speed limit. When they finally bowed to safety campaigners and introduced one the accident rate went up. I'd like to hear what Brake made of that.
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phast
35 posts
88 months
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so if we all slow down to 80 it will cost £1 billion... the obvious solution is to raise the limit to 85-90mph as that is what we are doing anyway... wonder if the government will give me a reward for saving the country so much money. :-)
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odyssey2200
17,433 posts
78 months
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VR6 Turbo said: can we launch a DNS attack on their website? or perhaps PH should release there own press release that under minds all the points raise by Brake?
I am no were near intelligent enough for this though.
VR Sign up and shoot 'em down  http://www.roadsafetyforum.org/I bet that any Off Message voice will last about 1 post before getting banned.
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juansolo
2,392 posts
147 months
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VR6 Turbo said: can we launch a DNS attack on their website? I think you mean a denial of service attack rather than a DNS attack. Unless you mean to aggressively resolve their IP address...
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Darkdice
2,641 posts
59 months
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I agree with all of the above. Its not just Germany though, most of Europe is 80mph (when its dry at least). Hiding behind the carbon b  ks is a farce, my car (and bike) are more fuel efficent at 80 than they are are 20/30mph. So by their logic lets make all towns, cities and villages a minimum speed of 56mph
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dr.pepper
628 posts
63 months
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If i didn't work 7 days a week, i would have setup some kind of "Anti-Brake" website.
Any unemployed PHer's up for the task?
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robinessex
725 posts
50 months
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How many here belong the the ABD? They've been campainging for years for sensible speed limits, and fighting the crap spouted by organisatiosn such as BRAKE. http://www.abd.org.uk/ Go on, join now, or stop complaining when even more stupid anti-motoring laws arrive.
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cliffie
154 posts
87 months
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So the government should propose 90MPH, they can negotiate with BRAKE and settle on 80MPH.
A lot of the cost is related to extra fuel spend which the government get a huge kick in tax revenue, like that argument will wash with them eh!
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Mr Noble
6,164 posts
102 months
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It's just the same as rest of Europe.
We should have 70 in the wet and 80 in the dry.
Simples.
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arkenphel
210 posts
74 months
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TrevorH said: Do these people actually travel on our motorways and see how fast a free-running motorway moves?
BTW, it won't change my standard motorway speed (SMS), it'll just be legal.
Edited to add - Brake are pulling numbers out of thin air. I agree about the first point, sir, but I take issue with the second point. Brake are not pulling these figures out of thin air. They're not magicians. They're pullin it out of their a$s
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bass2rez
351 posts
61 months
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I notice that Brake do not factor in the financial benefit to UK businesses of increased efficiency of the road network that is achieved by increasing the speed limit, instead relying upon shock tactics of "increased accidents" and "increased carbon footprint".
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YorkshireAndy
63 posts
31 months
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We need some kind of 'Yes' to 80 campaign on the basis that according to the charity's own research it will be revenue generating for the economy based on increased fuel tax generated. If you care about the carbons then stopping eating beef is a far better way to cut down your footprint than driving 10mph slower: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-c...
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sanctum
112 posts
44 months
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This kind of baseless psuedo science factless statistic waving really bugs me.
"...mean more families needlessly suffering from motorway crashes and casualties..."
Do these people read the annual accident figures that the government publishes every year?
I haven't for a while, but the last I looked (2008/09 report) listed the number of fatalities and critical injuries caused by motor vehicles as less than 10k, that's was I recall about half the figure for fatalities and critical injuries in the home!
People need to stop attacking the motorists, it's not an efficient use of money to look for further safety controls there.
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will01
18 posts
30 months
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i think it is a great idea going up to 80mph, but really it probably is going to change nothing. i think 98% of people drive and cruise at ~80mph i know in my particular vehicle it is more economical to cruise at these speeds than 70mph. i dont know why people have such a big problem on raising speed limit its not the speed that kills it is the below average skill of drivers he use these roads. i do think that the government should set up extra tests or motorway specific lessons to help discipline and educate drivers for motorway driving roll on the 80mph limit changes 
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Garlick
38,222 posts
109 months
PH Manager Bloke
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Fuel costs will be the problem of the motorist not the country Fuel usage will increase and thus the government will earn more revenue You are not forced to drive at 80mph I once drove at 80mph, the car felt stable, I didn't crash. BRAKE will see this thread and ignore it as we are pro-car and therefore our opinions don't count 
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jetpilot
242 posts
25 months
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So many things that could be said as most points above!
Simply i would say, i would seriously hope the government doesnt back down on this giving the doom mongers at Brake a swift kick to the goolies!
Go away Brake, leave us alone and stop trying to tell us what we can and cant do! If you dont want to drive at 80, dont, it really is that easy!
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Decibel
80 posts
25 months
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Dear Piston Heads editors
or
Piston Head forum member (someone smarter than me and preferably with a law degree)
Can someone please research and write a calculated response to break?
With all points researched and proven?
Then can we spend the rest of the day spamming/posting our response to every social network and MP to ensure that one of the more sensible transport decisions actually happens?
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delmatt
391 posts
60 months
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These people are nuts. Please go their website campaign and leave a comment about how stupid their campaign is.
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TrevorH
1,343 posts
153 months
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arkenphel said: TrevorH said: Do these people actually travel on our motorways and see how fast a free-running motorway moves?
BTW, it won't change my standard motorway speed (SMS), it'll just be legal.
Edited to add - Brake are pulling numbers out of thin air. I agree about the first point, sir, but I take issue with the second point. Brake are not pulling these figures out of thin air. They're not magicians. They're pullin it out of their a$s That was the first phrase that came to mind.
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Kaizer
85 posts
97 months
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What a loads of Clearly it shows a group of people have not a real cue about motoring, and get a way with it just by clamming to be pro eco and safes life. Total Nonsense!!!!!
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