Almax advise against anti-pinch pins
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king shat myself. LordFlathead said:
The ridiculous size is the reason they are crop proof. There are no croppers on the market with jaws that will open up to accept a 22mm chain.
The best exterior deterrent is CCTV cameras. You have to pass through 3 cameras at my place to even get to my bike and on the last two it sends me a picture to my phone when they see motion.
Just remember folks, the more security you have, the more time you buy while you are under siege.
I've got my security sorted now, I'll bung you a PM and see what you think...The best exterior deterrent is CCTV cameras. You have to pass through 3 cameras at my place to even get to my bike and on the last two it sends me a picture to my phone when they see motion.
Just remember folks, the more security you have, the more time you buy while you are under siege.
A Well-fixed Ground anchor with hefty chain and wall anchor with lighter(?) chain off the ground through the frame and other heavy items is possibly a good combo.
Is a good u lock through a ground anchor a leverage risk or is that just paranoia?
Is a good u lock through a ground anchor a leverage risk or is that just paranoia?
Edited by MC Bodge on Monday 12th May 11:14
)more chains will slow them down....say 5 mins per chain
why not get something like a CS gas canister rigged up to a movement sensor so they get tear gas whilst working on the chain?
...I guess if forewarned they would come with respirators....but should catch the opportunists
maybe some blank shotgun cartridges rigged to fire too....should scare them off/wake neighbors
...seriously...how far do you go before you say enough ?...its insured...
why not get something like a CS gas canister rigged up to a movement sensor so they get tear gas whilst working on the chain?
...I guess if forewarned they would come with respirators....but should catch the opportunists
maybe some blank shotgun cartridges rigged to fire too....should scare them off/wake neighbors
...seriously...how far do you go before you say enough ?...its insured...
bogie said:
more chains will slow them down....say 5 mins per chain
why not get something like a CS gas canister rigged up to a movement sensor so they get tear gas whilst working on the chain?
...I guess if forewarned they would come with respirators....but should catch the opportunists
maybe some blank shotgun cartridges rigged to fire too....should scare them off/wake neighbors
...seriously...how far do you go before you say enough ?...its insured...
You sound like the sounds of bloke who has a bunker full of baked beans and shotgun shells for the zombie apocalypse.why not get something like a CS gas canister rigged up to a movement sensor so they get tear gas whilst working on the chain?
...I guess if forewarned they would come with respirators....but should catch the opportunists
maybe some blank shotgun cartridges rigged to fire too....should scare them off/wake neighbors
...seriously...how far do you go before you say enough ?...its insured...
bogie said:
more chains will slow them down....say 5 mins per chain
That sounds like utter tripe to me. No way you'd need 5 mins to get through any chain. If it's croppable, you'll get through it with croppers in less than a minute, if it needs an angle grinder it won't take a lot longer.LordFlathead said:
The ridiculous size is the reason they are crop proof. There are no croppers on the market with jaws that will open up to accept a 22mm chain.
That's not entirely true. (This is from memory when I bought mine so might not be 100% correct.)
The reason all the other chains can get cropped in under a minute is to do with shock waves. Most snap, or shatter, when cropped due to the shockwave created by the cropping.
Almax physical size stops the frequency needed for the chain to break. (I've seen an Oxford chain snap both sides when it was cropped once.) plus iirc it's had special stuff done to toughen it.
Biker 1 said:
Hey Pragma - nice post!
Sadly I think that if someone wants your bike, they're going to get , whatever..... So: you're 100% right about insuring properly. I also believe that 'out of site, out of mind' helps to a certain extent, but the bottom line has a lot to do with where you live. I've been lucky so far, but every time I put my pride & joy 'to bed', I'm never 100% sure she'll be there in the morning.
Not only do the xxx xxx low life thieves have a lot to answer for, so does flea-bay et-al, & also the the scum that buy 'discounted' parts: handling stolen goods. Its all rather depressing
I think it's down to if the thief wants it more than you want to keep it, honestly. The more deterrents and the tougher they are, the more you swing the balance in your favour. Even naff chains and anchors will stop the most superficial opportunist, and as you get into decent security, used properly, you push the odds more in your favour and away from the thief. With the top stuff, you are probably down to less than 1% that might get your bike, but that's little consolation if one particular thief or gang is in your area.Sadly I think that if someone wants your bike, they're going to get , whatever..... So: you're 100% right about insuring properly. I also believe that 'out of site, out of mind' helps to a certain extent, but the bottom line has a lot to do with where you live. I've been lucky so far, but every time I put my pride & joy 'to bed', I'm never 100% sure she'll be there in the morning.
Not only do the xxx xxx low life thieves have a lot to answer for, so does flea-bay et-al, & also the the scum that buy 'discounted' parts: handling stolen goods. Its all rather depressing
16mm chain of decent quality will stop manual bolt croppers; you don't need 19mm to do that. The reason for going bigger than 16mm is to increase the deterrent where thieves are using grinders or where they are thinking about it, which is all thankfully still very rare, but it may only be a matter of less than 1 minute difference in cutting time (depending on lots of things and I'm not going into detail on that aspect).
We did a 22mm once and don't intend to ever do it again. It was ridiculous, and what's the point? Thieves that are using grinders tend to get through _something_ and it can be rather academic what. Perhaps good for marketing, but other deterrents are probably a lot more effective against grinders. I don't rate CCTV as thieves wear hoods, but super-loud sirens (e.g. the Klaxxon 'Master Blaster') and smoke cloaks both discourage thieves from spending time. Smoke cloaks are expensive, but adding a Master Blaster to an alarm could be quite cheap (e.g. the thing itself costs about £65+VAT IIRC).
ZesPak said:
bogie said:
more chains will slow them down....say 5 mins per chain
That sounds like utter tripe to me. No way you'd need 5 mins to get through any chain. If it's croppable, you'll get through it with croppers in less than a minute, if it needs an angle grinder it won't take a lot longer.if it really only takes seconds with a rechargeable angle grinder then a chain is really a deterrent for lazy thieves that cant be bothered to get tooled up for the job in hand
Edited by bogie on Monday 12th May 13:45
Prof Prolapse said:
bogie said:
more chains will slow them down....say 5 mins per chain
why not get something like a CS gas canister rigged up to a movement sensor so they get tear gas whilst working on the chain?
...I guess if forewarned they would come with respirators....but should catch the opportunists
maybe some blank shotgun cartridges rigged to fire too....should scare them off/wake neighbors
...seriously...how far do you go before you say enough ?...its insured...
You sound like the sounds of bloke who has a bunker full of baked beans and shotgun shells for the zombie apocalypse.why not get something like a CS gas canister rigged up to a movement sensor so they get tear gas whilst working on the chain?
...I guess if forewarned they would come with respirators....but should catch the opportunists
maybe some blank shotgun cartridges rigged to fire too....should scare them off/wake neighbors
...seriously...how far do you go before you say enough ?...its insured...
...strange how we are one of the few countries I know of where we go to this level to protect our bikes ...none of my EU or US biker colleagues bother that much ....i guess in US you run the risk of getting shot and all the dodgy European crims are over here stealing our bikes not their own GTIR said:
LordFlathead said:
The ridiculous size is the reason they are crop proof. There are no croppers on the market with jaws that will open up to accept a 22mm chain.
That's not entirely true. (This is from memory when I bought mine so might not be 100% correct.)
The reason all the other chains can get cropped in under a minute is to do with shock waves. Most snap, or shatter, when cropped due to the shockwave created by the cropping.
Almax physical size stops the frequency needed for the chain to break. (I've seen an Oxford chain snap both sides when it was cropped once.) plus iirc it's had special stuff done to toughen it.
LordFlathead said:
GTIR said:
LordFlathead said:
The ridiculous size is the reason they are crop proof. There are no croppers on the market with jaws that will open up to accept a 22mm chain.
That's not entirely true. (This is from memory when I bought mine so might not be 100% correct.)
The reason all the other chains can get cropped in under a minute is to do with shock waves. Most snap, or shatter, when cropped due to the shockwave created by the cropping.
Almax physical size stops the frequency needed for the chain to break. (I've seen an Oxford chain snap both sides when it was cropped once.) plus iirc it's had special stuff done to toughen it.
They don't seem to have trouble getting the links into the jaws.
Yes you are talking about the 19mm the 22mm are newer type since that video. If you watch the owner of Almax (the little guy) you will see the chain ping out on one attempt. Either way the point is that pro's don't take 48 inch cutters they use hydraulics as stated before. Layers of security... It's all about layers
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