Front and Rear Droplinks,
Discussion
sapper said:
Just had an MOT and almost failed because of the front drop links, the covers had come off due to the position.
I bought some Civic one but they are so short I'm not going to bother.
How long are the originals??
There must be an alternative that is the same size as TVR used
Were these the ones you bought ? As they are showing a length of 55mm the same as the originals.I bought some Civic one but they are so short I'm not going to bother.
How long are the originals??
There must be an alternative that is the same size as TVR used
http://www.cprcarparts.co.uk/honda-civic-mk6-crv-f...
Accord 
only to be used if the bar is wider i.e mounting eye goes beyond the wishbone mounting eye already discussed this with Peter it appears some later cars (last of) have an ever so slightly wider ARB well compared to my earlier car 95 it is 
Peters Civic ones would not articulate correctly on this 2001 plate but they will on my 95 
only to be used if the bar is wider i.e mounting eye goes beyond the wishbone mounting eye already discussed this with Peter it appears some later cars (last of) have an ever so slightly wider ARB well compared to my earlier car 95 it is Peters Civic ones would not articulate correctly on this 2001 plate but they will on my 95 THis is the issue I have with mine. The ARB doesn't appear to be long enough, along with the fact they are too short.
If this was the only job I was doing on the car I'd suffer it. But with so much else still left to do, I'm going to bin them all as I hear the rear mundaneo ones are just as ill fitting.
If this was the only job I was doing on the car I'd suffer it. But with so much else still left to do, I'm going to bin them all as I hear the rear mundaneo ones are just as ill fitting.
PRTVR said:
Were these the ones you bought ? As they are showing a length of 55mm the same as the originals.
http://www.cprcarparts.co.uk/honda-civic-mk6-crv-f...
The Civic ones I bought have an entire length of 80mm. The bar in the middle is 30mm long.http://www.cprcarparts.co.uk/honda-civic-mk6-crv-f...
Sardonicus said:
Accord only to be used if the bar is wider i.e mounting eye goes beyond the wishbone mounting eye already discussed this with Peter it appears some later cars (last of) have an ever so slightly wider ARB well compared to my earlier car 95 it is Peters Civic ones would not articulate correctly on this 2001 plate but they will on my 95
Do these rear ones have to be totally vertical? My Mondeo ones are splayed a little. I was contemplating bolting them on the inside of the ARB to facilitate them sitting more vertically, but wondered; only to be used if the bar is wider i.e mounting eye goes beyond the wishbone mounting eye already discussed this with Peter it appears some later cars (last of) have an ever so slightly wider ARB well compared to my earlier car 95 it is Peters Civic ones would not articulate correctly on this 2001 plate but they will on my 95 A) how this may effect the handling and;
B) whether it would effect the strength of the drop link or ARB?
Also, how are the forces applied from the suspension onto the ARB and drop links? Vertically or laterally?
[rant]If these other make drop links work properly, like Phazed's seem to, then power to your elbow.
But you guys spend £££thousands on your cars, take great pride in their appearance and performance, so I am a little baffled why you seem so intent on fuffing up the handling for the sake of a few quid extra buying proper drop links, at least for the front.
The rear ARB might as well be tied on with a victorian toilet chain for all the difference it will make, but the front one is so important for the handling of the cars in corners and under braking.
Come on chaps, look at the bigger picture PLEASE. Just buy a cheaper carbon fibre plenum (so that the engine bay looks nice) and instead spend some money on proper Leven front drop links so that it drives properly.
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But you guys spend £££thousands on your cars, take great pride in their appearance and performance, so I am a little baffled why you seem so intent on fuffing up the handling for the sake of a few quid extra buying proper drop links, at least for the front.
The rear ARB might as well be tied on with a victorian toilet chain for all the difference it will make, but the front one is so important for the handling of the cars in corners and under braking.
Come on chaps, look at the bigger picture PLEASE. Just buy a cheaper carbon fibre plenum (so that the engine bay looks nice) and instead spend some money on proper Leven front drop links so that it drives properly.
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QBee][rant said:
If these other make drop links work properly, like Phazed's seem to, then power to your elbow.
But you guys spend £££thousands on your cars, take great pride in their appearance and performance, so I am a little baffled why you seem so intent on fuffing up the handling for the sake of a few quid extra buying proper drop links, at least for the front.
The rear ARB might as well be tied on with a victorian toilet chain for all the difference it will make, but the front one is so important for the handling of the cars in corners and under braking.
Come on chaps, look at the bigger picture PLEASE. Just buy a cheaper carbon fibre plenum (so that the engine bay looks nice) and instead spend some money on proper Leven front drop links so that it drives properly.
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Without people modding, experimenting, understanding and trying to find alternatives, you wouldn't have a V8D unit under your bonnet. Whilst I appreciate that some would rather visit a main stealer or pay a specialist, others would rather try and do it themselves as it develops skills and understanding.But you guys spend £££thousands on your cars, take great pride in their appearance and performance, so I am a little baffled why you seem so intent on fuffing up the handling for the sake of a few quid extra buying proper drop links, at least for the front.
The rear ARB might as well be tied on with a victorian toilet chain for all the difference it will make, but the front one is so important for the handling of the cars in corners and under braking.
Come on chaps, look at the bigger picture PLEASE. Just buy a cheaper carbon fibre plenum (so that the engine bay looks nice) and instead spend some money on proper Leven front drop links so that it drives properly.
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Rose joints have no place on a road car IMO 
every one I have come into contact with as been worn/play inc dust booted ones and I am not just on about TVR cars you cannot have any movement in these things without noise and I am not willing to put up with that rattling 
and why would I? I don't mind harder less compliment suspension but don't do rattles 
just my cents worth 
I cant see rose joints having no benefit whatsoever over ball-jointed links (i.e Civic/Accord kit) neither have give like the stock rubber ones.
every one I have come into contact with as been worn/play inc dust booted ones and I am not just on about TVR cars you cannot have any movement in these things without noise and I am not willing to put up with that rattling and why would I? I don't mind harder less compliment suspension but don't do rattles just my cents worth I cant see rose joints having no benefit whatsoever over ball-jointed links (i.e Civic/Accord kit) neither have give like the stock rubber ones.Chuffmeister said:
Do these rear ones have to be totally vertical? My Mondeo ones are splayed a little. I was contemplating bolting them on the inside of the ARB to facilitate them sitting more vertically, but wondered;
A) how this may effect the handling and;
B) whether it would effect the strength of the drop link or ARB?
Also, how are the forces applied from the suspension onto the ARB and drop links? Vertically or laterally?
I've just had a quick look under the car and compared these to the stock. It's the top of the drop link that causes the different off-set. It's about 15mm out compared to the old one. Will this make a huge difference to the handling and cornering? How do the drop links control the ARB? Anyone? No rants please!A) how this may effect the handling and;
B) whether it would effect the strength of the drop link or ARB?
Also, how are the forces applied from the suspension onto the ARB and drop links? Vertically or laterally?
As the offside compresses under hard cornering, the ARB tries to compress the inside, (inside tries to stop the outside compressing) therefor it tries to keep the rear level and not rolling.
The ARB will twist a bit applying a little give in the connection hence stiffer arbs give less roll.
The chim/griff setup is far from ideal due to the take of points on the rear wishbones but that's another story.
I font think the angle on your links will make much difference if you follow the arc of the wishbone travel but I altered my ARB anyhow.
The ARB will twist a bit applying a little give in the connection hence stiffer arbs give less roll.
The chim/griff setup is far from ideal due to the take of points on the rear wishbones but that's another story.
I font think the angle on your links will make much difference if you follow the arc of the wishbone travel but I altered my ARB anyhow.
Funnily enough I've just tried to fit the Civic drop links and they are just too short. I cant help feeling that even if I were to succeed in getting them on they would impart excessive strain into the front suspension mountings.
My '95 Chim drop links are about 80mm between centres while the Civic ones are about 55mm.
If I had an unlimited maintenance budget then I would just fit the Leven ones but, like
many others on here I suspect, I have to decide whether the £200 outlay would be better spent on something
more important. I don't do track days - I just want to drive it around on normal roads. If we can
source a perfectly adequate replacement from our local motor factor then all well and good as far
as I am concerned.
My '95 Chim drop links are about 80mm between centres while the Civic ones are about 55mm.
If I had an unlimited maintenance budget then I would just fit the Leven ones but, like
many others on here I suspect, I have to decide whether the £200 outlay would be better spent on something
more important. I don't do track days - I just want to drive it around on normal roads. If we can
source a perfectly adequate replacement from our local motor factor then all well and good as far
as I am concerned.
Dave Meredith said:
Funnily enough I've just tried to fit the Civic drop links and they are just too short. I cant help feeling that even if I were to succeed in getting them on they would impart excessive strain into the front suspension mountings.
My '95 Chim drop links are about 80mm between centres while the Civic ones are about 55mm.
If I had an unlimited maintenance budget then I would just fit the Leven ones but, like
many others on here I suspect, I have to decide whether the £200 outlay would be better spent on something
more important. I don't do track days - I just want to drive it around on normal roads. If we can
source a perfectly adequate replacement from our local motor factor then all well and good as far
as I am concerned.
If you loosen the ARB or remove the brackets, it will be much easier. Got mine in no problem. My '95 Chim drop links are about 80mm between centres while the Civic ones are about 55mm.
If I had an unlimited maintenance budget then I would just fit the Leven ones but, like
many others on here I suspect, I have to decide whether the £200 outlay would be better spent on something
more important. I don't do track days - I just want to drive it around on normal roads. If we can
source a perfectly adequate replacement from our local motor factor then all well and good as far
as I am concerned.
I've just tried a set of Civic drop links on my '97 but the angle didn't look good so I tried a set of Accord and they look spot on. I didn't even need to unbolt the mounting brackets. The Accord link were also a bit longer only a few mm shorter than the orginals.
Edited by BoostedChim on Friday 16th January 10:20
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