X150 coupe: Talk me out of it
Discussion
reddiesel said:
Ultimately values may soften , harden or vice versa . Its an increasingly uncertain World we live in threatened with everything from Nuclear annihilation to Sadiq Khans ULEZ expansion . There are one or two certainties however . The X150 remains for most People a thing of Beauty . Its a worthy successor to the E Type in a way that the XJS never could be and they wont be making any more of them . With something this aesthetically pleasing its my belief values will never fall through the floor but instead follow a similar path to the E type which incidentally were virtually unsaleable by the end of Production in the early Seventies .
Spot on.Been enjoying this thread. Currently have my TVR up for sale to replace with a v8 XKR Dynamic R or F type R or S.
I cannot decide which and, in fact, am not that bothered either way. But it does need to be a convertible and red, blue or green with an ivory interior and the upgrade seats. There is the most fantastic green and ivory XKR coupe for sale but these colours seem rare compared with the usual black, grey or silver with black leather.
The only other thoughts are I would either be getting the last of the XKRs or the first of the F types. Last of the line is probably better for development thus fault fixing or reliability. First of the line would be a newer design and tech.
They both seem to be a rare sight around my way on the road, even though I am now looking out for them. Anyway the search continues.
I cannot decide which and, in fact, am not that bothered either way. But it does need to be a convertible and red, blue or green with an ivory interior and the upgrade seats. There is the most fantastic green and ivory XKR coupe for sale but these colours seem rare compared with the usual black, grey or silver with black leather.
The only other thoughts are I would either be getting the last of the XKRs or the first of the F types. Last of the line is probably better for development thus fault fixing or reliability. First of the line would be a newer design and tech.
They both seem to be a rare sight around my way on the road, even though I am now looking out for them. Anyway the search continues.
HendrixsWhiteStratReturns said:
reddiesel said:
Ultimately values may soften , harden or vice versa . Its an increasingly uncertain World we live in threatened with everything from Nuclear annihilation to Sadiq Khans ULEZ expansion . There are one or two certainties however . The X150 remains for most People a thing of Beauty . Its a worthy successor to the E Type in a way that the XJS never could be and they wont be making any more of them . With something this aesthetically pleasing its my belief values will never fall through the floor but instead follow a similar path to the E type which incidentally were virtually unsaleable by the end of Production in the early Seventies .
Spot on.The true successor to the E-Type was never built - the gorgeous XK180.
ric p said:
Been enjoying this thread. Currently have my TVR up for sale to replace with a v8 XKR Dynamic R or F type R or S.
I cannot decide which and, in fact, am not that bothered either way. But it does need to be a convertible and red, blue or green with an ivory interior and the upgrade seats. There is the most fantastic green and ivory XKR coupe for sale but these colours seem rare compared with the usual black, grey or silver with black leather.
The only other thoughts are I would either be getting the last of the XKRs or the first of the F types. Last of the line is probably better for development thus fault fixing or reliability. First of the line would be a newer design and tech.
They both seem to be a rare sight around my way on the road, even though I am now looking out for them. Anyway the search continues.
I had a final year (for the US) 2013 XKR and then a first year F-Type S V8 Cab followed by an F-Type R. All are fabulous cars.I cannot decide which and, in fact, am not that bothered either way. But it does need to be a convertible and red, blue or green with an ivory interior and the upgrade seats. There is the most fantastic green and ivory XKR coupe for sale but these colours seem rare compared with the usual black, grey or silver with black leather.
The only other thoughts are I would either be getting the last of the XKRs or the first of the F types. Last of the line is probably better for development thus fault fixing or reliability. First of the line would be a newer design and tech.
They both seem to be a rare sight around my way on the road, even though I am now looking out for them. Anyway the search continues.
The XKR is more of a "gentleman's express" grand tourer. Refined, fast and gorgeous. The F-Type was like it's bratty younger brother - loud, lairy, stonkingly fast and ever slightly uncouth. I loved it!
I got the F-Type R as soon as it came out the following year and kept it 3 years. Mine was a 2015 so still RWD and great fun to drive. The closest thing I have owned to my TVR Sagaris in the emotional feeling I got from it. We took it down to the Smokey Mountains in Tennessee and had a blast in it.
Whichever you go for I'm sure you'll love it.
Simpo Two said:
I like the X150 a lot - have had one, may have another - but it's not in the same league as an E-Type. I know the word 'iconic' is grossly over-used these days, but the E-Type is an icon of design. The fact that Jaguar could never top it rather supports that. The X150 will not be a 'motoring icon' even in 30 years time.
The true successor to the E-Type was never built - the gorgeous XK180.
I think the F-Type was the spiritual successor to the E, it even had some of the styling cues from it. I know that Ian Callum was heavily influenced by the E-Type when he designed it. I think, having owned several of both, that it was a worthy successor. Obviously very different (the F didn't rust from the inside out for one thing!) but spiritually related. I had a new XJS in 92 and a 3.8 S1 FHC at the same time and I swear the E was quicker. It certainly felt quicker! Moss 'box was fun too.The true successor to the E-Type was never built - the gorgeous XK180.
Simpo Two said:
I like the X150 a lot - have had one, may have another - but it's not in the same league as an E-Type. I know the word 'iconic' is grossly over-used these days, but the E-Type is an icon of design. The fact that Jaguar could never top it rather supports that. The X150 will not be a 'motoring icon' even in 30 years time.
The true successor to the E-Type was never built - the gorgeous XK180.
I don’t know Simpo , early E Types certainly were icons but by the time it got to the Series 3 I would say it was far from iconic . A bit like the deterioration of Elvis .The true successor to the E-Type was never built - the gorgeous XK180.
The X150 upon it introduction at least was compared favourably with the E Type and I’m sure if I search through my library of period Jaguar literature some even called it a “ worthy successor “ . As far as iconic goes I think only time will tell . I was reminded of this last point the other night when hearing a Musical Journalist call my childhood heroes The Sex Pistols iconic and they could barely play or sing .
The naming doesn't help. Everybody knows what an 'E-Type Jag' is. Ask them what an 'XK' is and they'll have no idea. I partly blame Jaguar's confusing naming. Park an XK in front of the average Joe and he won't know what it is. Mind you, when I first parked the DB9 outside a friend's house he said 'What kind of Jaguar is that?' and had to read the bonnet badge to find out... so, not everybody is as clued up as us. And that's the difference between an icon and a not-icon - everybody knows the former.
Agreed that the E-Types got less pretty with time, largely down to US laws I think.
Agreed that the E-Types got less pretty with time, largely down to US laws I think.
I think many people outside of this particular XK leaning thread would consider, if anything, the F-Type to be the closest thing to a spirited successor to the E-Type, and not just in name, and more so in the future as time is called on ICE cars
I think the XK perhaps is the successor to the XJS although the XK is a far better machine in every respect. I know XK owners might not appreciate it, but perception spreads wider than the handful of people on this thread who clearly own, defend and justifiably love their XK
I think the XK perhaps is the successor to the XJS although the XK is a far better machine in every respect. I know XK owners might not appreciate it, but perception spreads wider than the handful of people on this thread who clearly own, defend and justifiably love their XK
volvos60s60 said:
I think the XK perhaps is the successor to the XJS
Absolutely. Genealogically I find a good case for considering the X100 an XJS Mk2, and the X150 an XJS Mk3. The 'sporting' version of the XJ saloon. But I suppose the name 'XJS' might put people off because some people didn't like it.I quite like the look of the F-Type, apart from the interior, but it doesn't connect to any previous Jaguar to my mind.
Simpo Two said:
The naming doesn't help. Everybody knows what an 'E-Type Jag' is. Ask them what an 'XK' is and they'll have no idea. I partly blame Jaguar's confusing naming. Park an XK in front of the average Joe and he won't know what it is. Mind you, when I first parked the DB9 outside a friend's house he said 'What kind of Jaguar is that?' and had to read the bonnet badge to find out... so, not everybody is as clued up as us. And that's the difference between an icon and a not-icon - everybody knows the former.
I recall Jeremy Clarkson looking at the X150, comparing it to the DB9 and suggesting that Ian Callum designed it "using a piece of tracing paper". 
Simpo Two said:
Absolutely. Genealogically I find a good case for considering the X100 an XJS Mk2, and the X150 an XJS Mk3. The 'sporting' version of the XJ saloon. But I suppose the name 'XJS' might put people off because some people didn't like it.
I quite like the look of the F-Type, apart from the interior, but it doesn't connect to any previous Jaguar to my mind.
The X150 unlike the X100 shared nothing in common with the XJS so I am absolutely stunned you say this . Let me tell you something else about the X150 ( which you already know ) and its case for being both a worthy successor both aesthetically and technically to the E type . Unlike either the F Type or the XJS it broke completely new ground technically just as the E Type did back in the Sixties with its Monocoque Construction , Disc Brakes , Rack and Pinion Steering and Independent Front and Rear Suspension which were completely unheard of in a car at this level back then . You may not agree with me but what I am saying is completely accurate . The X150 was the most aesthetically pleasing and technically advanced Jaguar in almost fifty years and this is why I say its a worthy successor to the E Type which almost 50 years previously served up the same recipe . The past is always a sentimental place to inhabit and I dont take anything away from the E Type and its Sixties heyday . The naming of the F type was to my mind little more than a Marketing Exercise and unlike the XK had nothing in common with an E Type .I quite like the look of the F-Type, apart from the interior, but it doesn't connect to any previous Jaguar to my mind.
volvos60s60 said:
I think many people outside of this particular XK leaning thread would consider, if anything, the F-Type to be the closest thing to a spirited successor to the E-Type, and not just in name, and more so in the future as time is called on ICE cars
I think the XK perhaps is the successor to the XJS although the XK is a far better machine in every respect. I know XK owners might not appreciate it, but perception spreads wider than the handful of people on this thread who clearly own, defend and justifiably love their XK
I dont think anyone on here much cares about perception either yours or anyone elses . In fact many of us have been conversing and indeed meeting occasionally for decades so why would we ? Most of us have owned most of the Models and recognise both their deficiencies and attributes .I think the XK perhaps is the successor to the XJS although the XK is a far better machine in every respect. I know XK owners might not appreciate it, but perception spreads wider than the handful of people on this thread who clearly own, defend and justifiably love their XK
The F Type being a spirited successor I think you are completely correct about in the sense that it shared absolutely nothing with the earlier car other than being a successor in name .
I'm unable to talk you out of it...
I've got a 4.2 XKR and I've used it as a daily driver for a couple of years, a quick adding up of work done comes to around £5000, over the course of around 40,000 miles.
I previously had TVRs and went for the XKR as a more sensible option...
I still absolutely love it.
I'm selling mine so I can upgrade to a low mileage 5.0 model, which will then become a weekend / long trips car.
Simpo Two said:
I like the X150 a lot - have had one, may have another - but it's not in the same league as an E-Type. I know the word 'iconic' is grossly over-used these days, but the E-Type is an icon of design. The fact that Jaguar could never top it rather supports that. The X150 will not be a 'motoring icon' even in 30 years time.
The true successor to the E-Type was never built - the gorgeous XK180.
The E type is on a pedestal and is a design icon, but the X150 is IMHO a worthy successor and, as I think I said in my original post, a direct route to the E- types DNA. In all honesty (and I'm sure they are phenomenal) the F type does nothing for me looks wise but each to their own eh ?The true successor to the E-Type was never built - the gorgeous XK180.
Sterillium said:
I'm unable to talk you out of it...
I've got a 4.2 XKR and I've used it as a daily driver for a couple of years, a quick adding up of work done comes to around £5000, over the course of around 40,000 miles.
I previously had TVRs and went for the XKR as a more sensible option...
I still absolutely love it.
I'm selling mine so I can upgrade to a low mileage 5.0 model, which will then become a weekend / long trips car.
Ooof that's spicy, what did it need?I've got a 4.2 XKR and I've used it as a daily driver for a couple of years, a quick adding up of work done comes to around £5000, over the course of around 40,000 miles.
I previously had TVRs and went for the XKR as a more sensible option...
I still absolutely love it.
I'm selling mine so I can upgrade to a low mileage 5.0 model, which will then become a weekend / long trips car.
reddiesel said:
Simpo Two said:
What's under the skin is not the point, the point is that it fits the same niche in the line-up.
That niche however stretches right back to the E Type rather than just the XJS which a lot of People forget about .The F-Type is the spiritual successor to the E-Type in that it is a sports car as opposed to a GT. When the F-Type came out I drove an XKR (I also owned a brand new one at the time) and an F-Type V8S back to back on a race track. The difference was vast and obvious.
unrepentant said:
Except, like the XJS, the X150 is not a sports car.
The F-Type is the spiritual successor to the E-Type in that it is a sports car as opposed to a GT. When the F-Type came out I drove an XKR (I also owned a brand new one at the time) and an F-Type V8S back to back on a race track. The difference was vast and obvious.
I dont think anyone said the XK was a sports car and neither for a large part of its existence was the E Type . Some myself included would also say that the F Type also fell between two stools . It was an astounding weight for an aluminium sports car .The F-Type is the spiritual successor to the E-Type in that it is a sports car as opposed to a GT. When the F-Type came out I drove an XKR (I also owned a brand new one at the time) and an F-Type V8S back to back on a race track. The difference was vast and obvious.
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-jaguar-f-type...
Edited by reddiesel on Saturday 18th February 19:58
I am considering these and viewed at 2009 (5.0) example with 55kish miles…full Jaguar history and it is a lovely example. They want 19k for it, which I worry might be abit much from what I am reading…any thoughts?
I don’t expect an investment, but don’t want a car I can’t sell and that stings come sale time.
I don’t expect an investment, but don’t want a car I can’t sell and that stings come sale time.
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