Just how rare are Griffiths now ?
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Sardonicus said:
If someone is paying over 50k never mind a 100k then they are a TIT 
however they are a stunning looking car and compared to the Chimaera they are the bad boy on the block IMO 
Am I reading this right? Is the 60's Griff and the modern Griff getting confused/merged in this thread? Looks like some people are referencing the original, others the modern? Just an observation. however they are a stunning looking car and compared to the Chimaera they are the bad boy on the block IMO Edited by THREEFISHORANGE on Wednesday 5th December 22:23
THREEFISHORANGE said:
Am I reading this right? Is the 60's Griff and the modern Griff getting confused/merged in this thread? Looks like some people are referencing the original, others the modern? Just an observation.
Though my original opening post was with reference to the newer models, I just think the older Griff reference was in addition to the chat and not confusing or merging the two together.
Doc Toad said:
....Escort Harrier - I haven't heard that one for a lot of years! If you couldn't afford an RS2000 buy a1600 Sport. Just when you'd taken delivery out comes the Harrier with all the good bits on you were missing!
That must be a seriously rare car by now?
My car is still alive. 1,500 made with 500 silver, which mine was/is. Great car but started to rust so bought a Taimar and the love affair with TVR began. Would love it back but about Griff prices.That must be a seriously rare car by now?
FFG
In the late 70's at the tender age of 22 (showing my age now) I had a 3 Litre S Capri(Mk2 with square headlights)! It was the Griffith of the time, wild handling and great fun, insurance if I remember was about £150. Pity the poor kids now who have to have have Saxo's and other buzz boxes. I always fancied a Griff though from the time I watched the Top Gear episode when Tiff Needell test drove the 4.3 back in 1992. I do believe our cars will have their day and prices will go up accordingly. Hey guys look out for the next issue of Octane Magazine, it is to feature the Griffith. I subscribe to this magazine and find it a great read. It should be out around the 20th to 24th December. Rgds, Pete
PeteGriff said:
In the late 70's at the tender age of 22 (showing my age now) I had a 3 Litre S Capri(Mk2 with square headlights)! It was the Griffith of the time, wild handling and great fun, insurance if I remember was about £150. Pity the poor kids now who have to have have Saxo's and other buzz boxes. I always fancied a Griff though from the time I watched the Top Gear episode when Tiff Needell test drove the 4.3 back in 1992. I do believe our cars will have their day and prices will go up accordingly. Hey guys look out for the next issue of Octane Magazine, it is to feature the Griffith. I subscribe to this magazine and find it a great read. It should be out around the 20th to 24th December. Rgds, Pete
It was the Griff that put TVR into the public conscious. My belief is that it will be the Griff in 'x' years time that will be the most expensive TVR to buy. There will be a cross over with the T cars at some point in the future.
History would suggest that it will be when the youngster of the 90s reach the point in life when they have spare time and money to indulge in childhood memories. Especially if combined with a favourable economic climate at the time.
TA14 said:
DonkeyApple said:
My belief is that it will be the Griff in 'x' years time that will be the most expensive TVR to buy. There will be a cross over with the T cars at some point in the future.
That cross over time appears to be about now to me.As iconic as the Sag is, my opinion is that Griffs will be the benchmark Tiv later on.
FlipFlopGriff said:
My car is still alive. 1,500 made with 500 silver, which mine was/is. Great car but started to rust so bought a Taimar and the love affair with TVR began. Would love it back but about Griff prices.
FFG
Ah.. the Harrier , a Ford Parts Bin Special. Many years ago i was an Auto Electrician for a Prominent Ford Dealer of the day. I remember me and a mate doing PD I's on Mk2 Escorts. We had quite a few of these, mainly Silver. Some of them had RS2000 parts fitted, a good way of getting rid of the parts left in the Stores. We had one of the last RS2000's in stock ( Some sort of light Green with Brown Fishnet Recaros). I PdI'd this car as well as our first new XR3, Huge disappointment regarding the Latter. Way Off Topic ,Sorry. FFG
Interesting reading..I'm often lurking on this site plus in the Ferhurst Motor Garage and others! When looking on Classifieds but not in detail there are more E-types for sale then TVR Griffiths which must be an indication of relative rarity which must be supporting the bouyancy of asking prices at the moment. IMO it will be a classic in time however with the talk of ''just a plastic kit car'' among the general public I do think we are jumping the gun a little with the ''classic'' status. Not an expert about the car, but I do love it and a true supporter. Just acquired another silly motor car so it will be a while again before I am a serious buyer, but the TVR is the next one on my list for sure! Ult-jim
I'm clearly biassed because I own 2 Griff 500s. I bought them because they look fantastic, they are a bit different, they sound fantastic and above all the go like the proverbial s**t off a shovel. What can you buy for this sort of price that will give you all this?
Griffs are certainly not going to go down in value now but it is interesting to see how long Griffs are advertised for without selling, especially those high dealer prices. Having said that I have a mate with a Porsche 911 and a Porsche 944 in near concourse condition, he cannot get rid of the 944!
I don't think the Griff will ever be an E-type but then I would never buy an E-type because it just doesn't appeal but I would buy another Griff. I think E-types are great but I don't want one.
If you really want to get into it, people are nervous about the economy and investments and I don't think anybody is looking too hard at second hand cars right now as an investment, despite some (fairly rare) high auction prices for the odd car. I think the Griff will become a desirable collectors car over and above other TVRs but I don't think the time is now. Give it a year or three.
I do think people are nervous of the reliability and quality of TVRs so keep on rebuilding the Griffs to a high quality and I think the punters will come looking sometime in the future.
Griffs are certainly not going to go down in value now but it is interesting to see how long Griffs are advertised for without selling, especially those high dealer prices. Having said that I have a mate with a Porsche 911 and a Porsche 944 in near concourse condition, he cannot get rid of the 944!
I don't think the Griff will ever be an E-type but then I would never buy an E-type because it just doesn't appeal but I would buy another Griff. I think E-types are great but I don't want one.
If you really want to get into it, people are nervous about the economy and investments and I don't think anybody is looking too hard at second hand cars right now as an investment, despite some (fairly rare) high auction prices for the odd car. I think the Griff will become a desirable collectors car over and above other TVRs but I don't think the time is now. Give it a year or three.
I do think people are nervous of the reliability and quality of TVRs so keep on rebuilding the Griffs to a high quality and I think the punters will come looking sometime in the future.
LukeSi said:
Podie said:
V8 GRF said:
It's an indication of how many are (roughly) on the road as there are large number of V5s in the DVLA dat elsewhere that only have 'TVR' as the car and nothing in the model field.
There will be cars that have been off the road before the SORN rules came into force and so will be missing, along with the cars exported from new and subsequently.
So best viewed as approximate but still not many even if you add a few hundred back in. It's interesting to see the fluctuations between summer and winter SORN and Tax in the last few years.
TVR "missing" - http://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/tvr_missingThere will be cars that have been off the road before the SORN rules came into force and so will be missing, along with the cars exported from new and subsequently.
So best viewed as approximate but still not many even if you add a few hundred back in. It's interesting to see the fluctuations between summer and winter SORN and Tax in the last few years.
k it" and didn't even bother registering the cars properly There are a lot of V8S's, mine included, that were registered as a 290S, I hear the S was not the only model to be afflicted by TVR's poor attention to detail when it came to registering their cars.
Oldred_V8S said:
There are a lot of V8S's, mine included, that were registered as a 290S, I hear the S was not the only model to be afflicted by TVR's poor attention to detail when it came to registering their cars.
They may not be registered as you would expect but it's not poor attention to detail - quite the opposite in fact.I think DA is correct. The Griff will be the poster child and prices will rise from here on. I suspect the Sag will do likewise, but not as steeply as the Griff...it is afterall starting from a higher base. The 150 or so Sags will always keep the values up.
Trouble is Ive had one of each and I try to stick by a "never go back" mantra.
The trouble with that trouble though is that the Griffith is simple too good a motor to ignore and I ache for another one every day!
So if we could just keep the prices down whilst I go and play around with the rest of the stuff I want first before I go back to my first love...Id be happy thanks chaps
Trouble is Ive had one of each and I try to stick by a "never go back" mantra.
The trouble with that trouble though is that the Griffith is simple too good a motor to ignore and I ache for another one every day!
So if we could just keep the prices down whilst I go and play around with the rest of the stuff I want first before I go back to my first love...Id be happy thanks chaps
I also see the Griff as being the one to watch in terms of value with the SE obviously carrying a premium!
But where does that leave my little Griff club, i know of 5 LS Griffs 2 Sportmotive, 1 Topcats, 1 Home build and i believe the first which was a grey car from Holland! [One of these being an SE]
Obviously there are many who would say that the value has been diluted as the cars are not original although in the case of the cars i've seen the level of finish is far superior than anything that left the production line @ TVR!
My car is stamped No1 of 10 and i know Topcats are developing a very specific LS Branding with a limited number of highly finished conversions which i hope will carry a premium in years to come, much in the same way one of Str8six's or Powers SP6 engine re-builds improves a T cars re-sale value.
I've spent the purchase price of my Griff twice over and then some and cannot even equate the sentimental value so was pleasantly surprised to be offered a serious sum whilst out @ the ring in October followed by another offer @ Spa!, both where politely declined but it just goes to confirm the mantra i trade on every day "Somethings worth what someones willing to pay for it" that and " No matter how hard you try you cannot polish a turd"
But where does that leave my little Griff club, i know of 5 LS Griffs 2 Sportmotive, 1 Topcats, 1 Home build and i believe the first which was a grey car from Holland! [One of these being an SE]
Obviously there are many who would say that the value has been diluted as the cars are not original although in the case of the cars i've seen the level of finish is far superior than anything that left the production line @ TVR!
My car is stamped No1 of 10 and i know Topcats are developing a very specific LS Branding with a limited number of highly finished conversions which i hope will carry a premium in years to come, much in the same way one of Str8six's or Powers SP6 engine re-builds improves a T cars re-sale value.
I've spent the purchase price of my Griff twice over and then some and cannot even equate the sentimental value so was pleasantly surprised to be offered a serious sum whilst out @ the ring in October followed by another offer @ Spa!, both where politely declined but it just goes to confirm the mantra i trade on every day "Somethings worth what someones willing to pay for it" that and " No matter how hard you try you cannot polish a turd"
If Topcats develop and maintain a top quality conversion/rebuild 'brand' then they'll become the TVR equivilent of say a Vicarage MKII Jaguar (http://www.vicarage.co.uk/) or an Eagle E-Type (http://www.eaglegb.com/). Those cars despite being modernised with decent brakes, fuel injection etc etc carry premiums and are accepted by being sympathetically restored and upgraded.
They won't be for the purist but someone who wants a more developed/evolved car there will alwways be a niche and more important a market. Especially as we get further and further away from the cars being considered 'current'.
They won't be for the purist but someone who wants a more developed/evolved car there will alwways be a niche and more important a market. Especially as we get further and further away from the cars being considered 'current'.
[quote=7 TVR]But where does that leave my little Griff club, i know of 5 LS Griffs 2 Sportmotive, 1 Topcats, 1 Home build and i believe the first which was a grey car from Holland! [One of these being an SE][quote]
Don't know about the Holland car but the first one I saw was Per's from Norway, which is grey/silver - was about 5 years ago now.
Don't know about the Holland car but the first one I saw was Per's from Norway, which is grey/silver - was about 5 years ago now.
Edited by FlipFlopGriff on Thursday 13th December 12:47
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