Oil Catch Tank for Sprinting

Oil Catch Tank for Sprinting

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Andy Lynch

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445 posts

162 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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Hi

I am looking to sprint / hill climb my Griff, but reading the MSA Yearbook I need to have a 1 litre oil catch tank connected to the breather on the rocker cover.

Does anybody have any information on how to fit one, pictures would be nice.

Thanks

Andy

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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I have one.

It's a work in progress at the moment.

spend

12,581 posts

251 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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Andy Lynch said:
Hi

I am looking to sprint / hill climb my Griff, but reading the MSA Yearbook I need to have a 1 litre oil catch tank connected to the breather on the rocker cover.
There's a 3.5 litre one fitted as standard (its called a plenum) wink

Pupp

12,223 posts

272 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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The issue with MSA compliance is the mushroom breather; which will be regarded as open and needing a catch tank notwithstanding it is intended to allow air in and not to vent fumes out....

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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I have a standard tiv flame trap on each rocker box

The 3/4 pipework has enough size to allow air in or out .

spend

12,581 posts

251 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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Pupp said:
The issue with MSA compliance is the mushroom breather; which will be regarded as open and needing a catch tank notwithstanding it is intended to allow air in and not to vent fumes out....
Link it into the induction near the air filter with long thin pipe?

Pupp

12,223 posts

272 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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Or just into the wing void, out of (the scrutineer's) sight and mind

Andy Lynch

Original Poster:

445 posts

162 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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Thanks for the reply's,

I Spoke to Paul at X Works today and he is under the impression that it is not an open system and therefore does not need a catch pot, indeed the sprint cars he looks after do not have them.

I may need to investigate further.

Andy

K4TRV

1,819 posts

252 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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Ran my Chimaera for 4-years Sprinting/Hillclimbing with a blanked-off breather - i.e. I replaced it with a metal plug stuck in with a drop of silicon. No blowing gaskets, no upset tick-over etc!!

"Breather" is an equaliser and is only 0.001 Inch in diameter!!

I gave up "discussing" with Scrutineers on the interpretation.

A much cheaper solution IMHO - worked for me.

T

737 FLF

172 posts

173 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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I have run my Griff in the Scottish Hillclimb and Sprint championships for the last seven years with the standard breather system.

It has never been an issue with scrutineering.

Al.

jesfirth

1,743 posts

242 months

Sunday 14th December 2014
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Andy, you do need a catch tank. We ran our tvr's happily at sprints without them until about 2 or 3 years ago when they started to enforce it. It's actually a really simple job to fit a catch tank on a griff ( which is pointless IMHO as if you have a proper engine failure it will lose a lot more than 1 litre of oil - there got that off my chest).

All you need to do is to remove the mushroom breather from the rocker cover fit a stainless steel threaded pipe connector run a rubber hose from it to near the radiator and fit the catch tank there. Motorsport shops sell catch tanks at high prices. I used a 1 litre aluminium hiking drinks bottle and just drilled a hole in the screw cap top so that the pipe could be slotted into it. The catch tank is just cable tied to the chassis rail by the rad. Simple, quick, light and cheap and it still allows the crank case to breathe.

Andy Lynch

Original Poster:

445 posts

162 months

Sunday 14th December 2014
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Thanks for the info,

I think I will knock something up, just to be on the safe side.

Thanks again for all the advice.

Andy

griffdude

1,824 posts

248 months

Monday 15th December 2014
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spend said:
Link it into the induction near the air filter with long thin pipe?
This is what I've done for the last 2 years & passed scrutineering every time. Simples.

Andy Lynch

Original Poster:

445 posts

162 months

Monday 15th December 2014
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I have just taken the filter from the nearside rocker cover, cant believe this can be a problem? the hole is tiny.

[url]|http://thumbsnap.com/SoGDkP0w[/url

I am sure most cars will drop more oil out of their sump than that can come out of here!



Thanks

Andy

Pupp

12,223 posts

272 months

Monday 15th December 2014
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Yep, that's what I was getting at yes

If you replace the mushroom with a hose barb or similar with a bigger bore, be aware your idle control (and crankcase evacuation) will be affected as the tiny drilling is the control

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Monday 15th December 2014
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Its designed to suck air in only.

the flame trap exhausts any gases which are sucked into the plenum.

If the hole was any bigger then you would have oil sucked into the plenum.

Chuffmeister

3,597 posts

137 months

Tuesday 16th December 2014
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phazed said:
Its designed to suck air in only.

the flame trap exhausts any gases which are sucked into the plenum.

If the hole was any bigger then you would have oil sucked into the plenum.
Ask Daz!!! He did exactly that.