Window issue

Window issue

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77racing

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3,346 posts

186 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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I have a 94 Griffith the windows are stuck down as the motors have seized up during a long period of non use. Has anyone got any ideas how I can get the door cards off to be able to access the motors to free them up.

GJR

827 posts

279 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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They could be non-functional due to corrosion on the electrical contacts (let's hope as it's the cheapest solution).

Remove the speaker cover and unscrew the speaker from the door card. With the speaker removed you should be able to get to most of the electrical connections.

If you feel you still need to get the whole door card off, there is a nut just inside the speaker hole, towards the front (hinged) side of the door. There is a further nut (two on the passenger side) at the location of the door pull. To get to those you will need to get your forearm into the door through the speaker hole. There is usually a screw behind the door reflector and a screw behind the ashtray. Those nuts and screws should be all that hold the fibre glass frame and it should now lift up and off.

The remaining carpeted door card should be held on by a series of screws around the edge. You should then have access to the window motor. I think that's it, but someone can add if I've missed anything.

Barreti

6,680 posts

236 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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This will help understand what Graham has just described.

Extreme left is a screw underneath the reflector, top right is a screw behind the ashtray, the other 3 are captive bolts you need to get the nuts off by getting your hand in the door cavity.



Edited by Barreti on Saturday 21st November 08:28

77racing

Original Poster:

3,346 posts

186 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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Great idea's chaps. I have power to the motors but can't get to the mounting bolts because the glass is down and in the way. Any way I can get glass up manually so I can get at the card fixings

Bodmin

596 posts

197 months

Sunday 22nd November 2015
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As your glass is down try this method;

Remove the speaker grill and speaker as above. Put your hand into the aperture and you will be able to reach the electrical connectors and the top of the motor dome. On the dome is a small plastic plug which you need to remove,a small blade screwdriver is best,this then allows access to the motor windings. Apply WD40(or similar) via the nozzle straw into the motor hole and let is soak for few minutes.

Now,insert the screwdriver blade into the hole until you can feel it contact the windings,then move the screwdriver backwards and forwards a few milimeters and this should free off the rust.Try the window switch now but if the motor still does not move place the screwdriver back into contact with windings and try levering whilst rocking the window switch(a bit of contortuism required unless you have an assistant!) you should then feel the windings try and rotate and remove the screwdriver.

Once freed you will probably find the motor will work ok on the rest of its travel but may stick again in the same spot,so before you put the motor plug back in, operate the window several times so that the rust can be 'polished off' by the windings and have the screwdriver to hand.It tends to be at the top or bottom of the motor travel where the windings stick.

I have used this method several times on my own and other Griffs with success smile

I am not sure whos parts bin the motors were raided from and there is no listing on the Griff parts list on here, I have seen reference to them being possibly a Ford or Ferrari part,maybe someone on here can provide the info?

77racing

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3,346 posts

186 months

Sunday 22nd November 2015
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thanx Richard I will give that a go in the morning

77racing

Original Poster:

3,346 posts

186 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Got the glass up finally. Both motors are worn out so I need to replace . They are the Bosch 0130 821 070 and 069. Can anyone confirm they are from the ford orion or if not what alternative do I use Golf perhaps.

Storm Guy

141 posts

128 months

737 FLF

171 posts

172 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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The ones that I fitted were from the Orion but I believe the Sierra ones will do as well.

77racing

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3,346 posts

186 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Thanx Asaad,

No luck with that route so far as the thread is two old and the original griffith parts list has gone from the web unfortunately. I can't find stock from my local factors for the Ford orian , fiat 131 etc to check it is right or send it back for restock. A kind chap in Manchester is pretty sure they were fitted to Merc 190's but he wants £65 a piece and I can't send them back if they are wrong, however he did check and Bosch discontinued the motor part quite some years ago. If I type in the Bosch part number into e bay loads come up but none come up with the 069 or 070 at the end ( apart from Ferrari 348 ). This makes me think that the last three digits relate to the application ( car) and that the first part ie FPE 0130 821 relates to the basic motor part. Perhaps a part number chap will tell us what's what with that idea. If that is right then any regulator with the first part of the part number will do and just take off the motor part and fit to the existing TVR gears.

737 FLF

171 posts

172 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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It's just the motor part that you want to fit. Four screws takes it off.

Edited by 737 FLF on Thursday 26th November 17:35

Colin RedGriff

2,525 posts

256 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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77racing said:
Thanx Asaad,

No luck with that route so far as the thread is two old and the original griffith parts list has gone from the web unfortunately. I can't find stock from my local factors for the Ford orian , fiat 131 etc to check it is right or send it back for restock. A kind chap in Manchester is pretty sure they were fitted to Merc 190's but he wants £65 a piece and I can't send them back if they are wrong, however he did check and Bosch discontinued the motor part quite some years ago. If I type in the Bosch part number into e bay loads come up but none come up with the 069 or 070 at the end ( apart from Ferrari 348 ). This makes me think that the last three digits relate to the application ( car) and that the first part ie FPE 0130 821 relates to the basic motor part. Perhaps a part number chap will tell us what's what with that idea. If that is right then any regulator with the first part of the part number will do and just take off the motor part and fit to the existing TVR gears.
Not sure if it helps but looking at the S parts list the same part number is also listed and there is reference to a Citroen donor (but no model). It would seem reasonable that the motor has been used very widely and for a large number of vehicles.

Is there any chance of getting your existing motors rebuilt?

77racing

Original Poster:

3,346 posts

186 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Thanx for that paul, you are getting confused, that is a boot / door lock solenoid that you can get from maplins for £4.50 inc vat.

phazed

21,844 posts

203 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Perry.

These guys are local to me and rebuild units for classic cars etc.

Had them rebuild my original starters and alternators for the tivs over the years.

Give them a call…….

http://www.jmorganandson.co.uk/id2.html

77racing

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3,346 posts

186 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Thanx for that Peter,

Issue now solved for me. They are from a BMW E23,24 and 28 rear doors. Could well be from the Ford orion although I couldn't find one of those to look at it to be sure. Perhaps someone might like to update an alternative parts wiki.