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Oakey
13,824 posts
86 months
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I didn't follow the story originally, what happened in that he and the wife happened to be outside the house whilst the kids were dying inside? ETA: 48 pages of Google later; Mirror said: Neighbours called firefighters around 3.45am when they saw the front door in flames.
The blaze quickly engulfed the upstairs, where the children were asleep in their bedrooms.
Neighbour Daniel Stevenson, 23, said: “I woke up in the middle of the night and heard Mick shouting in his garden.
“I opened the window and could smell smoke. Mick was absolutely frantic, screaming about his kids.
“I woke up my brother Callum and he ran outside and round to the back of the house.
"I called the fire brigade as I could see smoke pouring out of the windows.
“My brother grabbed a ladder and started climbing up to reach the windows at the back of the house – there was no sign of Mick’s wife or the children though.
“He managed to smash a window but the police arrived within minutes and stopped him.
“Mick was distraught. There was nothing he could do to get to his kids. I don’t know how he got out, but the fire seemed to be burning from the front.”
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thesyn
389 posts
51 months
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How did it take so long ?
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Oakey
13,824 posts
86 months
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thesyn said: How did it take so long ? Used the Google News search function, all the newest stories first =/
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Hub
2,121 posts
68 months
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I thought I heard something about them sleeping in the caravan in the front garden?
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Frik
11,979 posts
113 months
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TVR1 said: WhoseGeneration said: Frik said: As would I.
"Simple animal" instinct in humans ensures we protect our children's lives over our own. You might like to research whether all animals protect their young. As with whether all Humans, throughout our history, have also done such. Unfortunately, including present times. Indeed. 'simple animal instinct' also includes the killing of any young that is not ones own. It removes a strain on resources/ensures YOUR young are raised to pass on your genes. Also, in a number of species, the male is actively killed by the male parent, in order that one day the young male will not dominate the older male. Luckily, we have evolved to think, rather than use only our animal instincts. So my point still stands then. Other animals aren't relevant to it. Other people's children aren't either to my point, though the anger on this thread tends to demonstrate how protective people can be about other people's children. People have killed their or others' children, but they tend to have a strong reason to. This is what is missing here. I don't count "he's scum" as a decent argument.
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dom180
1,180 posts
134 months
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Frik said: TVR1 said: WhoseGeneration said: Frik said: As would I.
"Simple animal" instinct in humans ensures we protect our children's lives over our own. You might like to research whether all animals protect their young. As with whether all Humans, throughout our history, have also done such. Unfortunately, including present times. Indeed. 'simple animal instinct' also includes the killing of any young that is not ones own. It removes a strain on resources/ensures YOUR young are raised to pass on your genes. Also, in a number of species, the male is actively killed by the male parent, in order that one day the young male will not dominate the older male. Luckily, we have evolved to think, rather than use only our animal instincts. So my point still stands then. Other animals aren't relevant to it. Other people's children aren't either to my point, though the anger on this thread tends to demonstrate how protective people can be about other people's children. People have killed their or others' children, but they tend to have a strong reason to. This is what is missing here. I don't count "he's scum" as a decent argument. One of the leading killers of children under 4 in the US is their Mother. http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mothe...Then there's the babies dumped/abandoned because they're inconvenient.
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essayer
1,606 posts
64 months
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s3fella said: Can we hope they leave this waste of space with his belt and neck tie, and the other one a handy Venus or two in the cells?  But where will he get a neck tie from now?
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miln0039
1,640 posts
28 months
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Hub said: I thought I heard something about them sleeping in the caravan in the front garden? Yep - I beleived this to be the case also! Hence why they were taken away for forensic examination?
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MoshiLego
52 posts
25 months
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TVR1 said: I agree. But in all likelihood, they will go down for manslaughter. It will be quite extraordinary if their sentences run consecutively. They will both be out in 20 odd years. It may be a difficult concept for the great unwashed to grasp but there is quite a difference between picking off one person after another intentionally rather than trying to burn your house down with the rather unfortunate consequences that occurred. Bloody cheek - I'll have you know I got washed only this morning.
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ascayman
3,219 posts
86 months
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TVR1 said: I agree. But in all likelihood, they will go down for manslaughter. It will be quite extraordinary if their sentences run consecutively. They will both be out in 20 odd years. It may be a difficult concept for the great unwashed to grasp but there is quite a difference between picking off one person after another intentionally rather than trying to burn your house down with the rather unfortunate consequences that occurred. I'm sorry but no, the man killed 7 people, children no less. If found guilty and he were to ever see the outside of a prison again it would be a massive faliure of the justice system.
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rohrl
3,924 posts
15 months
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ascayman said: I'm sorry but no, the man killed 7 people, children no less. If found guilty and he were to ever see the outside of a prison again it would be a massive faliure of the justice system. Who is the seventh victim?
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ascayman
3,219 posts
86 months
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rohrl said: Who is the seventh victim? Sorry 6.
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Sushi
737 posts
70 months
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ascayman said: the man killed 7 people Did he? No need for a trial then?
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ascayman
3,219 posts
86 months
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Sushi said: Did he?
No need for a trial then? For the hard of reading, 'IF FOUND GUILTY' as written in the post.
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Sushi
737 posts
70 months
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ascayman said: For the hard of reading, 'IF FOUND GUILTY' as written in the post. Must be all the broccoli I've been eating recently, apologies, and I'll lay off the green stuff.
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ascayman
3,219 posts
86 months
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Sushi said: Must be all the broccoli I've been eating recently, apologies, and I'll lay off the green stuff. No probs to be fair it could have been written clearer.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,298 posts
20 months
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ascayman said: rohrl said: Who is the seventh victim? Sorry 6. Reminds me of Fred West's confession. "How many have you killed" "9 or 10" "But we've found 13 bodies" "Yeah..I'm a builer and it was an estimate"
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BlackVanDyke
8,136 posts
81 months
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Tiggsy said: JohnnyJones said: Need a few whoosh parrots around here!
Jaffa as in fruit as in gay as in turned gay by being bummed all round the nick. Get it? Forget the "whoosh parrot"...you need the "wrong slang terminology, casual homophobia, no idea what prison is like and lack of fruit knowledge pigeon" 
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thesyn
389 posts
51 months
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Oakey said: thesyn said: How did it take so long ? Used the Google News search function, all the newest stories first =/ Sorry I meant why did it take so long to arrest them? My point being that crimes are normally committed for really obvious reasons and following a financial trail will usually yield a culprit. As the police usually say "thank god criminals are so stupid"
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cossy400
788 posts
54 months
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thesyn said: Oakey said: thesyn said: How did it take so long ? Used the Google News search function, all the newest stories first =/ Sorry I meant why did it take so long to arrest them? My point being that crimes are normally committed for really obvious reasons and following a financial trail will usually yield a culprit. As the police usually say "thank god criminals are so stupid" From what i can gather, it seems the caravan and his van may have held the key to why they ve been arrested? They only removed his van etc last week and now they ve arrested them. His reasons for doing it i think are hes always wanted a bigger house.
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