OIL RECOMMENDATION IVE NARROWED IT DOWN!

OIL RECOMMENDATION IVE NARROWED IT DOWN!

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MADMAX2

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2,336 posts

195 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Right chaps gather round im out of the UK at the moment 30 degrees already ahem..... anyway been looking at what you have been recommending the last week heres my details..

4.0HC fully decatted 107,000 miles new stealth cam 2000 miles ago i was told a good quality 20/50 oil was put in after the cam change..(indie TVR garage didnt say what brand but.. all is good) last oil change before that was Mobil 1 15/50 which is no longer available

ive a choice between these quality oils

Mobil 1 10/60 - a safe bet?

Valvoline VR1 20/50 - Daz and a few others use it

Fuchs titan race 10/50 - slightly thinner than mobil 1 when cold

Millers CSS 20/60 - high zinc content?

i know we have covered zinc content/viscosity etc etc and the RV8 is bombproof but everybody's engine is slightly different on here is it any one of the 4 oils above for the mileage ive done and decatted with stealth cam or does ONE oil stand out for my particular engine?

your feedback much appreciated gentleman



Edited by MADMAX2 on Thursday 14th November 07:03

phazed

21,844 posts

205 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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I use the VR1 although I am conscious of the fact that a slightly lower grade say 10-15 would be benificial in winter.

I have also used the Millers CSR 20/50 for quite a while. This oil is used a lot by the Tuscan racer boys as it has a good zinc content and is cheap, (about £25.00 iirc).

str

38 posts

183 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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I switched from Millers to Fuchs Titan last year largely because of the good reviews Fich Titan Race Pro S 10-50 had had on various forums and have been satisifed with it BUT I use the car for relatively short journeys with quite bit of cold starting so an oil which is thin when cold is good and a high zinc content I think also helps with cold starting when one is more likely to get metal to metal contact.. sorry camshaft.
There weems to be some question of oils such as th Fuchs Tital which is quite high in ZDDP damaging the catalyst but MOBIl say they are not using much zinc because of the increased demands on the oil industry to reduce emissions;
"Automotive street use oils that meet the latest industry standards are required to have a lower level of Zinc and Phosphorus anti-wear chemistries than oils formulated years ago. The latest automotive street use engine oils are designed to be compatible with emission control equipment. Mobil 1 Racing oils are formulated with anti-wear (Zinc/Phosphorus) chemistries at twice the level of automotive street oils to provide enhanced protection of highly loaded valve train systems found in some race engines. Based on the high level of anti-wear chemistries, Mobil 1 Racing oils are not recommended for street use"
So for me choice of oil largely depends on the use of the car - hope that helps.

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

180 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Penrite HPR15 fully synthetic 15W-60 every time.





Buy it here:

http://classicoils.absolutewebhosting2.co.uk/Produ...

It's the perfect viscosity, is very high quality, contains the right levels of zinc, and just compare the price with any other fully synthetic.

You'll not find a more suitable oil for the RV8 at any price, but at £30.95 the fully synthetic Penrite HPR15 from "Classic Oils" is a no-brainer.




Oh and stick one of these on too:





http://www.v8filters.co.uk/




And I also have one of these clinging firmly to it:





http://www.shopfiltermag.com/




Finally, ditch the Range Rover sump plug & leaky copper crush washer, & replace with one of these:



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DAVID-BROWN-TRACTOR-SUMP...




Its the belt & braces perfect oil change package.
  • The replacement round edged sump plug wont get caught on a sleeping policeman & unwind itself, and you'll never have to buy another leaky crushable copper sump plug washer again
  • The FilterMag is reusable so once you've bought it it'll last a lifetime
  • The V8 filter is a Cummins Fleetguard and uses fibreglass media technology, which is well proven in the punishing diesel commercial truck world to offer far superior filtration than a traditional paper filter element, and it's only really a few quid more
  • Penrite oils are absolutely first rate quality, and at this price you can have the best at average quality mineral oil prices

Best in class engine protection that needn't break the bank

yes



Edited by ChimpOnGas on Thursday 14th November 10:01

K4TRV

1,819 posts

253 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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^^ +1 ^^

Trev

MADMAX2

Original Poster:

2,336 posts

195 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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thanks chaps.. looks like Penrite tick all the boxes??? even for good for 107000 mile engines? if so ill order 2 lots a v8 oil filter and a david brown sump plug

Chimpongas top man! have you got the right code for the filtermag im guessing at RA365??

so when i get home:
oil/filter change
sump plug change
coolant change
fit rear Leven drop links
clean
polish
clean
polish
clean
hehe

SILICONEKID343HP

14,997 posts

232 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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ChimpOnGas said:
Penrite HPR15 fully synthetic 15W-60 every time.





Buy it here:

http://classicoils.absolutewebhosting2.co.uk/Produ...

It's the perfect viscosity, is very high quality, contains the right levels of zinc, and just compare the price with any other fully synthetic.

You'll not find a more suitable oil for the RV8 at any price, but at £30.95 the fully synthetic Penrite HPR15 from "Classic Oils" is a no-brainer.




Oh and stick one of these on too:





http://www.v8filters.co.uk/




And I also have one of these clinging firmly to it:





http://www.shopfiltermag.com/




Finally, ditch the Range Rover sump plug & leaky copper crush washer, & replace with one of these:



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DAVID-BROWN-TRACTOR-SUMP...




Its the belt & braces perfect oil change package.
  • The replacement round edged sump plug wont get caught on a sleeping policeman & unwind itself, and you'll never have to buy another leaky crushable copper sump plug washer again
  • The FilterMag is reusable so once you've bought it it'll last a lifetime
  • The V8 filter is a Cummins Fleetguard and uses fibreglass media technology, which is well proven in the punishing diesel commercial truck world to offer far superior filtration than a traditional paper filter element, and it's only really a few quid more
  • Penrite oils are absolutely first rate quality, and at this price you can have the best at average quality mineral oil prices

Best in class engine protection that needn't break the bank

yes



Edited by ChimpOnGas on Thursday 14th November 10:01
That`s recycled oil !

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

180 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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MADMAX2 said:
Chimpongas top man! have you got the right code for the filtermag im guessing at RA365??
Thats the fella mate.

Just understand there are two strengths of FilterMag out there:

The black body weak one which is for the Gahys (SS365), and the far far stronger red body one (RA365).

Obviously you'll be wanting the red body super strong model, here's the UK importer's details, I'm sure they'll confirm by email a retailer who sells to the public:

http://www.blue-diamond.co.uk/FilterMAG/FilterMAG....

If I remember correctly the weaker black body one is normally around £30, and the far stronger red one can be a rather expensive £55-£60, but the difference in strength is nigh & day.

Both will last for the life of the car, so it's a one off expense you'll never have to repeat.

You can see the model differences here on this American website:

http://www.expeditionexchange.com/filtermag/

I bought mine from a UK Range Rover specialist in the West Country somewhere, if you do struggle finding the proper red one in the UK you can buy it here:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ftm-ra365

I've bought a few bits off Summit Racing, and delivery from the States can be very fast indeed.

Just be careful when you fit the FilterMag, slide it on from the end rather than allowing it to snap on the side of the filter.

The magnets on the red body FilterMag are bonkers strong, it sounds daft but if you let the FilterMag snap onto the filter you run the real risk of it pinching the skin on your fingers.

The result will be a rather nasty blood blister and some choice swear words curse

At the next oil change remove the filter & FilterMag as one unit, only remove the FilterMag from the old filter after it's off the car.

This ensures you've trapped any ferrous metals in the old filter that you'll be disposing of in an environmentally sympathetic way.

Pop the new filter on, then slide the FilterMag onto it, you may then need to slide the FiterMag around the filter body a bit to find the most favorable position.

The V8 filter itself is very long compared with other Rover V8 oil filters, it's a little tricky to get it started on the thread as it sits very close the the chassis cross tubing, but I assure you it does fit.

Remember to fill the filter with fresh engine oil before fitting and expect to get some spillage down you're sleeve.

I've fitted loads of the V8 Filters on my Chimaera with no issues, and I genuinely believe they offer better filtration than a paper element type.

Hope all this helps, Dave.

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

180 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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SILICONEKID343HP said:
That`s recycled oil !
What makes you say that?

Did you learn it at plumbers school Daz, or are you just making things up again?

Prove it!

This is taken directly from the Penrite website.

In their Q&A section you will find this:

Q: Does Penrite use recycled oil?

Answer from Penrite: "The short answer is No, Penrite does not use any recycled oil in the manufacturing process. Rest assured that Penrite only uses newly refined base oils for all of its engine oils"


So you're scaremongering and talking total bollix again Daz!

Get your facts right mate, spouting unsubstantiated false truths benefits no one redcard


Do yourself and (everyone else) a massive favor and have a read up here, before you share your wisdom with others.....


http://www.penriteoil.com.au/faq.php

These are facts from a very well respected oil company who've been providing quality lubricants for over 50 years.

Who will the group listen to on this one?

Penrite themselves or Daz The Plumber?

rofl

blitzracing

6,392 posts

221 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Matter of interest- have you opened up one of the filters with filter mag on it after a change and seen any metal debris? A friend of mine who designs chemical process filters for a living did say he thought the magnets did not do a lot, although the glass fibre filters where very good- he said the best combination was glassfibre and a PTFE coating, as this stops water from adhearing to the filter internals, although I cant see that being an issue in a hot engine.

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

180 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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blitzracing said:
Matter of interest- have you opened up one of the filters with filter mag on it after a change and seen any metal debris? A friend of mine who designs chemical process filters for a living did say he thought the magnets did not do a lot, although the glass fibre filters where very good- he said the best combination was glassfibre and a PTFE coating, as this stops water from adhearing to the filter internals, although I cant see that being an issue in a hot engine.
No mate, I've never opened up a filter with the FilterMag on it.

But I can assure you the magnets used on the red body model are far from ordinary strength.

Honestly, the thing is so super strong you cant pull it off the filter directly, you have to slide it off.

I've seen magnetic sump plugs with way way less pull hoover up ferrous metal swarf from engine oil, so I can only imagine how well that super strong FilterMag is working.

And trapping any swarf in the disposable filter has to be a better idea than hanging it off the end of a magnetic sump plug.

There's a huge body of documented evidence that tells us the cam wears out prematurely in a Rover V8, what no one ever seems to talk about is where all that worn off cam material ends up.



I'd like to think of the FilterMag as the belt & braces last line of defense.

Using the FilterMag in conjunction with the highly regarded Cummins Fleetguard filter with it's efficient fiberglass filter media is giving your TVR engine the very best protection there is.

I can't prove it works, but there's a lot of evidence to say it does, it certainly causes no harm clamped on the filter and in my case it's all paid for.

So I'll just keep using it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8rFQ5ELf9g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCimcP-i7bY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2ISh-abGf8


Edited by ChimpOnGas on Thursday 14th November 13:56

SILICONEKID343HP

14,997 posts

232 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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ChimpOnGas said:
What makes you say that?

Did you learn it at plumbers school Daz, or are you just making things up again?

Prove it!

This is taken directly from the Penrite website.

In their Q&A section you will find this:

Q: Does Penrite use recycled oil?

Answer from Penrite: "The short answer is No, Penrite does not use any recycled oil in the manufacturing process. Rest assured that Penrite only uses newly refined base oils for all of its engine oils"


So you're scaremongering and talking total bollix again Daz!

Get your facts right mate, spouting unsubstantiated false truths benefits no one redcard


Do yourself and (everyone else) a massive favor and have a read up here, before you share your wisdom with others.....


http://www.penriteoil.com.au/faq.php

These are facts from a very well respected oil company who've been providing quality lubricants for over 50 years.

Who will the group listen to on this one?

Penrite themselves or Daz The Plumber?

rofl
I`ve done my research and Penrite is made from recycled kangaroo dung and Aborigines underpants laugh

Penrite is a small australian company and one would anticipate that they are not able to match it with the big players when it comes to R and D. I have had a bad experience with their product and it was directly related to them not doing enough R and D. If you want to know more, pm me.
Recycled, pure synthetic, mineral......it doesnt really matter if the product performs.

Edited by SILICONEKID343HP on Thursday 14th November 17:59

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

180 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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SILICONEKID343HP said:
I`ve done my research and Penrite is made from recycled kangaroo dung and Aborigines underpants laugh

Penrite is a small australian company and one would anticipate that they are not able to match it with the big players when it comes to R and D. I have had a bad experience with their product and it was directly related to them not doing enough R and D. If you want to know more, pm me.
Recycled, pure synthetic, mineral......it doesnt really matter if the product performs.

Edited by SILICONEKID343HP on Thursday 14th November 17:59
Well for years we used Penrite oils in two Austin Healey 3000's that were raced very hard.

Most of our competitors ran Penite oils too.

We used their products exclusively in untold vintage & classic customer cars, again over many years.

And in all those years, in all those different applications, we never had cause to doubt the quality of Penrite oils, they always performed extremely well.

If one plumber in Notts, with a reputation for filling his engine with silicone, had one bad experience that he wont even share.

I'd still be resting peacefully at night knowing my TVR sump is filled with Penrite HPR15.

"Recycled kangaroo dung and Aborigines underpants"!!!!

WTF loser

SILICONEKID343HP

14,997 posts

232 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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ChimpOnGas said:
Well for years we used Penrite oils in two Austin Healey 3000's that were raced very hard.

Most of our competitors ran Penite oils too.

We used their products exclusively in untold vintage & classic customer cars, again over many years.

And in all those years, in all those different applications, we never had cause to doubt the quality of Penrite oils, they always performed extremely well.

If one plumber in Notts, with a reputation for filling his engine with silicone, had one bad experience that he wont even share.

Never hidden the fact that I blew my engine up with a liberal application of "silicone" scratchchin

I'd still be resting peacefully at night knowing my TVR sump is filled with Penrite HPR15.

"Recycled kangaroo dung and Aborigines underpants"!!!!

WTF loser

Chilliman

11,992 posts

162 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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I think I've lost the plot here....... Am I the only one confused by these recent posts????

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

180 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Chilliman said:
I think I've lost the plot here....... Am I the only one confused by these recent posts????
Its just Daz stirring things up for ships & giggles, I know his games well wink

We all love him really.

SILICONEKID343HP

14,997 posts

232 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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ChimpOnGas said:
Its just Daz stirring things up for ships & giggles, I know his games well wink

We all love him really.
Yes just playing games ,I`m sure it`s good stuffbow

phazed

21,844 posts

205 months

Friday 15th November 2013
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Just wondering where this was going, now I Know, nowhere!



jester

FlipFlopGriff

7,144 posts

248 months

Friday 15th November 2013
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I cant get the V8Filter on the 500 (serp) as there isn;t enough room to get it on the threads but fits easily on the BV (preserp).
If you can't get it on Ian and want to move it on I'll have it off you as a spare.
Used Fuch's 15/50 on both Griffs for a few years now with no issues.
FFG

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

180 months

Friday 15th November 2013
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FlipFlopGriff said:
I cant get the V8Filter on the 500 (serp) as there isn;t enough room to get it on the threads but fits easily on the BV (preserp).
If you can't get it on Ian and want to move it on I'll have it off you as a spare.
Used Fuch's 15/50 on both Griffs for a few years now with no issues.
FFG
Double check your engine mounts haven't dropped slightly FFG.

My car is a 4.0 litre Serp, so with respect to filter clearances I would have thought it should be exactly the same as your Griff.

Granted, the V8 filter is a tight fit, when I first tried one I very nearly gave up on it as I couldn't get the thread to start.

Eventually I found the angle and it span on just fine, I've been through four oil changes since then, each time using the excellent V8 filter.

These days I'm so used to fitting it I can spin one on in seconds, it's an angle thing, a bit of experience, and the knowledge it will definitely fit.

Pass the filter up from below holding it in the vertical plain, when its above & clear of the chassis cross tubes rotate downwards pointing the threaded end of the filter towards the male thread on the engine.

Spin the filter clockwise, while fractionally altering the angle between it & the male thread, don't force it, when the angle is just right you'll feel it winding on the thread.

The first turn of the filter feels like its just a little tight on the thread, but don't worry your not cross threading it, it's just the far end of the filter is still just touching the cross tube.

One more turn and it spins on free as a bird, pinch it up by hand and it's job done.

In practice all of this is far easier than I've made it sound, the more of these very long filters you fit the easier it will become.

I was also initially concerned it might foul the cross tubing once installed, but after it's fully wound on the thread there are absolutely no clearance issues whatsoever even as the running engine rocks naturally on its mounts.

Hopefully all this will give other Serp owners the confidence to try the V8 filter, it is huge (which is a good thing with a filter) but it defiantly does fit a Serpentine Chimaera.

I cant see why that would be any different for a Serpentine Griffith, unless the engine mounts have gone a little soft or they're not the original ones.

Have another bash at it FFG thumbup