Is this rear mounted laser light legal?
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Whilst browsing a chinese based website I came across some 'Anti Collision Rear-end Car Laser Safety Fog Taillight Warning Lights' which mount on the rear of the car on the bumper/parcel shelf. They seem a good idea to deter tailgaters in poor conditions and only cost around a fiver.
I'm wondering if they are actually legal to use on UK roads and what's the worst that could happen if pulled, a fine or points?
I'm wondering if they are actually legal to use on UK roads and what's the worst that could happen if pulled, a fine or points?
With a drop of 15 degrees, a low slung car like an MX5 could be at a safe distance in traffic and it might hit the driver's eyes?
(15 degrees is from a sample web site selling one)
Put it this way - if they were a good idea wouldn't top safety focused brands have implemented them given they are so cheap?
(15 degrees is from a sample web site selling one)
Put it this way - if they were a good idea wouldn't top safety focused brands have implemented them given they are so cheap?
I don't think the idea is visibility in general, it's to point out to the person behind you how far away they should be. Of course, your average taligater probably isn't going to react very well to a laser being shone at them and someone else on the road trying to tell them what to do!
Baryonyx said:
They're not type approved so you'll probably be written up for using one. Pedal cycles, on the other hand, seem to be able to do as they please when it comes to lighting - see all those dreadful strobing flash guns they use to dazzle oncoming motorists.
I'm a cyclist and they annoy me too. You can get flashing bike lights now that are brighter thna the limit for car headlights. Two nights a go I followed what at a distance appeared to be a car with it's foglight left on. When I got closer I saw it was was a cyclist with a very bright rear light following a car; such was the intesity of the cyclist's rear light.Baryonyx said:
They're not type approved so you'll probably be written up for using one. Pedal cycles, on the other hand, seem to be able to do as they please when it comes to lighting - see all those dreadful strobing flash guns they use to dazzle oncoming motorists.
Not "do as they please" the flashing lights have been deemed legal and are CE/EU approved so nothing wrong with using them.I agree that they can be excessive, however they "feel" good when you are riding home late at night on a dark road and cars flash past at 60mph coming from nowhere to gone in 2-3seconds... I think I would ride with a giant friggin laser on my bike if I did that too!
Mr Taxpayer said:
I'm a cyclist and they annoy me too. You can get flashing bike lights now that are brighter thna the limit for car headlights. Two nights a go I followed what at a distance appeared to be a car with it's foglight left on. When I got closer I saw it was was a cyclist with a very bright rear light following a car; such was the intesity of the cyclist's rear light.
And they'll still be hit one day be someone who "didn't see them" IIRC Audi are trialling laser headlights, but the laser is only really "pumping" a fluorescent device that turns the light into reasonably normal light beam with very low divergence so you can see further. Imaginary bike lanes included I'd struggle to see the use of raw laser light in road safety.
Edited by paranoid airbag on Friday 9th January 10:59
scubadude said:
Baryonyx said:
They're not type approved so you'll probably be written up for using one. Pedal cycles, on the other hand, seem to be able to do as they please when it comes to lighting - see all those dreadful strobing flash guns they use to dazzle oncoming motorists.
Not "do as they please" the flashing lights have been deemed legal and are CE/EU approved so nothing wrong with using them.paranoid airbag said:
And they'll still be hit one day be someone who "didn't see them"
Yep. personally I have no issue with cyclists dressing up like christmas trees if they want. the majority of drivers are st at driving and dont pay enough attention.A car driver having one of those on his cars would just be annoying. And now I know that Labrador puppies are delivered by lorry i'd be even more concerned about the accident potential.
Seems like the general consensus is that it's a bad thing then, tbh I would have only hooked it up to the rear fog light to increase visibility on the motorway in poor conditions.
A bright red rear flashing light like racecars use in the rain would be useful in fog/rain as well but perhaps not legal on the roads although most modern cars flash the rear lights when ABS is activated so it's now a bit of a grey area.
I was looking on youtube to see what the laser looks like in real life and came across an OEM Audi version! I wonder if it has type approval or what models its fitted/optional for, if Audi fit them in the factory then surely it's legal to fit aftermarket?
A bit like how fitting excessively bright DRL's would have got you a tug a few years back but after they came factory fitted to cars police now just allow it
Audi's version in action, looks quite similar to the chinese versions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2rihmRDSR
A bright red rear flashing light like racecars use in the rain would be useful in fog/rain as well but perhaps not legal on the roads although most modern cars flash the rear lights when ABS is activated so it's now a bit of a grey area.
I was looking on youtube to see what the laser looks like in real life and came across an OEM Audi version! I wonder if it has type approval or what models its fitted/optional for, if Audi fit them in the factory then surely it's legal to fit aftermarket?
A bit like how fitting excessively bright DRL's would have got you a tug a few years back but after they came factory fitted to cars police now just allow it
Audi's version in action, looks quite similar to the chinese versions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2rihmRDSR
Edited by untakenname on Friday 9th January 12:35
I commute on a bike daily and last night despite a flashing front light and a helmet mounted (my head) bright light a pedestrian still walked out in front of me without looking a I hit her a little after some serious braking action. I was going to say something before I noticed the heroin addict look in her eyes and she slapped me in the face, at which point I rode off without saying a word having a little chuckle, apparently no lights are enough! (for the record my light was very green and the pedestrian light was very red).
Nightmare said:
paranoid airbag said:
And they'll still be hit one day be someone who "didn't see them"
Yep. personally I have no issue with cyclists dressing up like christmas trees if they want. the majority of drivers are st at driving and dont pay enough attention.RobbyJ said:
I commute on a bike daily and last night despite a flashing front light and a helmet mounted (my head) bright light a pedestrian still walked out in front of me without looking a I hit her a little after some serious braking action. I was going to say something before I noticed the heroin addict look in her eyes and she slapped me in the face, at which point I rode off without saying a word having a little chuckle, apparently no lights are enough! (for the record my light was very green and the pedestrian light was very red).
Years ago when I was also a motorcyclist, there was a lot of debate about whether motorbuikes should have a special light to make them more visible. I always remember a letter in the pages of 'Bike' magazine; it went "At work I drive a vehicle that is 10' tall and bright red. It has flashing blue lights and a siren, and people still pull out in front of me."Kinda tells you all you need to know.
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