CPC - Big fat money spinner?

CPC - Big fat money spinner?

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Pizzaeatingking

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493 posts

71 months

Friday 27th October 2023
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So, while I start up my own business I might need to fall back on my PCV licence to being a few quid in when I’m quiet. Now I had to do a few CPCs when I was working full time in the industry, they were provided in house and based on the industry, I found it of questionable use back then. I remember a day where we went out on the bus for a drive about and had quite a good day, enjoyed it and learnt a bit but aside from that each course was treated as a bit of a doss.

Fast forward to this week, my entitlement had expired so needed to do the full 35 hours. From a quick search there seemed to be very little in terms of differentiating between HGV & PCV courses so I booked onto some that sounded vaguely relatable. The modules were all done online and after doing the whole weeks worth I feel like it’s been a total waste of time. Most of the modules had huge sections that were aimed at HGVs and the rest of it was going over stuff that you should already know if you’re out on the road driving, let alone a professional driver.

We had one trainer who was just churning through the (poor) content on the sides, I raised a couple of points and was shot down as being wrong so after that point just blended into the background and went through the motions. The other trainers were decent but there’s only so much they could do with the content they had to give us.

I should point out, I’m not against learning and improving knowledge, in my regular job I have to do CPD every year, I enjoy learning and do far more than the minimum needed, but I feel like the CPC is costing huge amounts of money for very little in return of knowledge or improvements in driving on the road. I’ve been out the game for 4 years and even then I didn’t learn much. Yeah some bits of the Highway Code have been changed but I’d spent half hour checking what that meant for me ages ago.

Is it just me that feels like this? Am I being overly harsh or are others having the same experience?

the-norseman

12,444 posts

171 months

Friday 27th October 2023
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I'm doing my CPC inital at the moment and it does seem like a £££ spinner.

normalbloke

7,460 posts

219 months

Saturday 28th October 2023
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It’s a massively wasted opportunity.
I mean, how can you do a full day of CPC first aid training, not practice CPR,and not come away with a certificate? Bonkers.
I also renewed mine recently, after almost deciding to let my licence fade into obscurity. It was 35 hours of trucker bullst stories, casual racism and misogyny, with various incorrect facts sprinkled in for good measure.

Matt_E_Mulsion

1,693 posts

65 months

Saturday 28th October 2023
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The fact that you can do the same 7 hour course, five times in a row to gain your full 35 hour entitlement makes it a joke in my eyes.

normalbloke

7,460 posts

219 months

Saturday 28th October 2023
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Matt_E_Mulsion said:
The fact that you can do the same 7 hour course, five times in a row to gain your full 35 hour entitlement makes it a joke in my eyes.
At least that has been rectified.

Matt_E_Mulsion

1,693 posts

65 months

Saturday 28th October 2023
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normalbloke said:
At least that has been rectified.
I didn't realise that loop hole had been closed until you posted about it.

Pizzaeatingking

Original Poster:

493 posts

71 months

Saturday 28th October 2023
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Glad it’s not just me then!, totally agree it’s an opportunity wasted.

I thought a bit more about this after I posted. There were elements that were ok but just poorly implemented. I think a full, proper first aid course should be the first module, get drivers doing that every 5 years would be fantastic. I was also surprised at how little tacho training you get when you go through the licence process, given how complicated it is. Perhaps a module to train drivers on that would be helpful. Given I’ve always been on domestic hours its never been an issue for me. After those, you could do a decent module on the Highway Code and road safety, but one 7 hour day is plenty of time to cover all of that. That leaves 2 modules for industry specific training.

I done a day on loading and safe loads etc, total waste of time for me and then another course we done customer service, which in a large part was a waste of time for everyone because the HGV drivers were saying they don’t deal with members of the public and it wasn’t the slightest bit relevant for PCVs.

DavePanda

6,700 posts

234 months

Saturday 28th October 2023
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Just did this years module, 40 mins talking about tyres, 90 mins talking about how to secure your vehicle sleep

Ours is done in house and the training tailored to the company, only saving grace is the fact we all know each other so there is plenty of banter which makes the time go a lot quicker

Pizzaeatingking

Original Poster:

493 posts

71 months

Sunday 29th October 2023
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DavePanda said:
Just did this years module, 40 mins talking about tyres, 90 mins talking about how to secure your vehicle sleep

Ours is done in house and the training tailored to the company, only saving grace is the fact we all know each other so there is plenty of banter which makes the time go a lot quicker
Yeah, the ‘best’ out of the five I’ve just done was the one where we had a decent bunch and a instructor that encouraged a bit of banter.

grumpy52

5,591 posts

166 months

Friday 10th November 2023
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I agree that the CPC is a missed opportunity to properly educate drivers.
Lots of drivers think they know everything they need to know about their particular job but often they know little beyond their daily routine and are totally lost if things change .
We did classroom training on our premises with outsiders joining the courses . Most of us did continental work and also double manned trips , Most others hadn't got a clue about the regulation for this type of work .
Many hadn't been trained on the use of digi cards .

the-norseman

12,444 posts

171 months

Tuesday 12th December 2023
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I've got my Module 4 CPC practical to do yet, passed my CPC theory a few days ago. I'm not planning on going into the industry, maybe ad hoc at best (got Cat C).

What happens if I do no CPC training in the next 5 years and it expires, do I have to do the full initial test again ie go to the DVLA office and do theory and then practical like I've done/doing or can I sit 35 hours after expiry and get it back?


Pizzaeatingking

Original Poster:

493 posts

71 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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the-norseman said:
I've got my Module 4 CPC practical to do yet, passed my CPC theory a few days ago. I'm not planning on going into the industry, maybe ad hoc at best (got Cat C).

What happens if I do no CPC training in the next 5 years and it expires, do I have to do the full initial test again ie go to the DVLA office and do theory and then practical like I've done/doing or can I sit 35 hours after expiry and get it back?

I think you can just do the 35 hours like us with grandad rights and you’re good to go again. I think after your first set with the test at the end you’re good to go.

the-norseman

12,444 posts

171 months

Thursday 14th December 2023
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I've got my practical tests (Mod 4) next week