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Randy Winkman said:
So we shouldnt make it easier for pedestrians to cross the roads because they are more likely to get run over? I live in SE London and I'd love my road to be an enforced 20mph. It would be less intimidating for older people and people with children and ...... would make it easier for everyone to cross the road. Every so often a local residents effort is made to get a lower limit but it never happens. Big Tory majority means no "war on motorist" stuff here. 
Errh, No! Pedestrians should not be wandering around in the road, they have safe places called pavements and pedestrian crossings. As far as I am concerned the only locations where a 20mph limit is potentially correct is outside schools and hospitals, and only then during periods of pedestrian activity such as school drop-off and pick-up.Edited by Randy Winkman on Tuesday 21st May 14:46
MustangGT said:
Errh, No! Pedestrians should not be wandering around in the road, they have safe places called pavements and pedestrian crossings. As far as I am concerned the only locations where a 20mph limit is potentially correct is outside schools and hospitals, and only then during periods of pedestrian activity such as school drop-off and pick-up.
The highway is open to pedestrians (except where excluded by legislation, eg Motorways).Drivers are merely licensed to use it.
Pica-Pica said:
MustangGT said:
Errh, No! Pedestrians should not be wandering around in the road, they have safe places called pavements and pedestrian crossings. As far as I am concerned the only locations where a 20mph limit is potentially correct is outside schools and hospitals, and only then during periods of pedestrian activity such as school drop-off and pick-up.
The highway is open to pedestrians (except where excluded by legislation, eg Motorways).Drivers are merely licensed to use it.
LunarOne said:
I know you specialise in sarcastic responses Big OT and I know that behind your often facetious remarks you do have a serious point to make. Being serious, policy needs to be made based on human nature and not what ought to happen. The fact is that the less the brain is engaged in one activity, the more other activities consume the attention. This is a fact of human biology and is well understood in industries such as aviation, where pilot inattention can have devastating effects.
We know drivers often lack sufficient attention. Optimising conditions so that lack of attention is assured is surely a recipe for disaster.
Yup I agree We know drivers often lack sufficient attention. Optimising conditions so that lack of attention is assured is surely a recipe for disaster.
Unfortunately ideology seems to have overridden common sense. Imposition of 'blanket' 20 limits in Wales is a recent example. Likely to spread further when Labour come to power.
nb No sarcasm there
MustangGT said:
Pedestrians should not be wandering around in the road, they have safe places called pavements and pedestrian crossings. As far as I am concerned the only locations where a 20mph limit is potentially correct is outside schools and hospitals, and only then during periods of pedestrian activity such as school drop-off and pick-up.
Sound common sense Harks back to the old days when motoring regulations were based on logic. That's not the modern way
popeyewhite said:
The highway isn't open to pedestrians, the pavements are. If they want to cross they're supposed to do so at a crossing, or if there's no pavement walk at the side of the road.
What legislation are you basing this view on?As far as I am aware there is no requirement in the UK to only use designated crossings.
Ken_Code said:
popeyewhite said:
The highway isn't open to pedestrians, the pavements are. If they want to cross they're supposed to do so at a crossing, or if there's no pavement walk at the side of the road.
What legislation are you basing this view on?As far as I am aware there is no requirement in the UK to only use designated crossings.
bigothunter said:
Dave Finney said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Lower speeds on the roads mean fewer accidents, less severe accidents, less severe injuries and fewer deaths.
Only true if all else equal ... but they're not.Lower limits may well be causing more deaths, but they refuse to run the trials that would prove it, one way or the other.
Unfortunately Dave, you avoid the political aspects like the plague. Data-driven logical decisions are important but they are far from the complete picture. Sometimes politics overrides logic entirely.
Hope you are willing to respond to this point. Would be good to understand your perspective.
popeyewhite said:
Ken_Code said:
popeyewhite said:
The highway isn't open to pedestrians, the pavements are. If they want to cross they're supposed to do so at a crossing, or if there's no pavement walk at the side of the road.
What legislation are you basing this view on?As far as I am aware there is no requirement in the UK to only use designated crossings.
Serious question:
If a pedestrian is walking down the centre of a single carriageway, who needs to take avoiding action - motorist or pedestrian?
Since the advent of the 20mph limit here in my part of London I now find it harder to either pull out into the traffic outside my house or just cross the road as the cars are all bunched up as if attached.
I agree with the poster about lack of attention at such a slow speed.
People on my road appear to be doing everything but actually looking where they are going as they all drone along.
I agree with the poster about lack of attention at such a slow speed.
People on my road appear to be doing everything but actually looking where they are going as they all drone along.
bigothunter said:
With the recent change to hierarchy of road users, pedestrians have highest priority.
Hmm well I was paraphrasing the HC.bigothunter said:
Serious question:
If a pedestrian is walking down the centre of a single carriageway, who needs to take avoiding action - motorist or pedestrian?
No one wants their P+J damaged... .If a pedestrian is walking down the centre of a single carriageway, who needs to take avoiding action - motorist or pedestrian?
popeyewhite said:
I said "supposed to". As in supposed to use designated crossings, supposed to walk directly across if no crossing available.
You said that it isn’t open to pedestrians. What legislation are you basing this on?And what makes you think that people are “supposed to” use designated crossings?
Ken_Code said:
popeyewhite said:
I said "supposed to". As in supposed to use designated crossings, supposed to walk directly across if no crossing available.
You said that it isn’t open to pedestrians. What legislation are you basing this on?And what makes you think that people are “supposed to” use designated crossings?
popeyewhite said:
Pica-Pica said:
MustangGT said:
Errh, No! Pedestrians should not be wandering around in the road, they have safe places called pavements and pedestrian crossings. As far as I am concerned the only locations where a 20mph limit is potentially correct is outside schools and hospitals, and only then during periods of pedestrian activity such as school drop-off and pick-up.
The highway is open to pedestrians (except where excluded by legislation, eg Motorways).Drivers are merely licensed to use it.
Drivers can just allow people to cross the road or we can have pedestrian crossings every 20 yards.
I just wish drivers would grow up.
Funny to see how there are two sides here who both opposing each other when both, in fact, are correct. It's a very obvious restriction and OP only has themselves to blame. And also London is full of 
s and horrendously crappy to drive in / fairly bad to ride in. Terrible place. Kinda stressful. But a lot goes on and it's very dynamic in small doses.
I love living hundreds of miles away and I also love working there regularly. My protip is cycle. It's quickest way to get around and you can do whatever you like!
s and horrendously crappy to drive in / fairly bad to ride in. Terrible place. Kinda stressful. But a lot goes on and it's very dynamic in small doses. I love living hundreds of miles away and I also love working there regularly. My protip is cycle. It's quickest way to get around and you can do whatever you like!
popeyewhite said:
Ken_Code said:
You said that it isn’t open to pedestrians. What legislation are you basing this on?
And what makes you think that people are “supposed to” use designated crossings?
The Highway Code.And what makes you think that people are “supposed to” use designated crossings?
"Where there is a crossing, use it."
Petrolhead67 said:
Or I suppose what i am also asking is , how does this work is this street now blocked off in different sections so you can drive down a bit but then if you want to go a bit further , you have to double back and go the long way round ?
Just confused really on how this actually helps anyone and why like my PCN says prohibition on certain types of vehicle , when the street is full of said vehicles ???
In the eyes of authority, you broke their law and deserve to be punished. End of story. No question about it. Just confused really on how this actually helps anyone and why like my PCN says prohibition on certain types of vehicle , when the street is full of said vehicles ???
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